Last week, I introduced you to Maggie, whom I’ve known since she was a baby fighting for her life with cancer. She is now deeply in love with Jesus and eager to spread His love “to the ends of the earth.” She has graduated from college and is in her second year in the corporate world. In addition to a good church, she is part of a ministry designed to reach Generation Z and Millennials called Run With Christ.
Sunday:
1. How have you experienced the love of God in community this week? In nature? In the Word?
Monday: Baptism
There are several views on baptism, a topic we haven’t discussed here, but I think we can have a respectful discussion. There are two views of infant baptism: one is for salvation. (Catholic, Lutheran, Greek Orthodox, and some Anglican churches) Another is Covenantal, that children of believing parents are set apart, and the parents are also dedicated to raising the child in the Lord. They compare it to the Covenant of Circumcision. This is the view of most PCA churches, such as Tim Keller’s church. Believer’s baptism is an outward sign of an inward faith and is practiced by most evangelical churches and Baptist churches. We may have different views here. Although I align closely with PCA and Reformed Theology, I believe that believers’ baptism is the only practice I see clearly in Scripture.
After Maggie had put her trust in Christ, she was very eager to be baptized. But Covid had just begun, and the unknowns of being immersed in public water prevented her from going forward. Maggie was disappointed but said, “Now, looking back, I see it was the Lord, for I was still thinking baptism might play a part in my salvation rather than seeing it as an outward expression of an inward faith. I wasn’t baptised until two years later, after Covid, but by then I understood its purpose.”
2. How do you view baptism? Support your view scripturally.
3. Do you see any danger in seeing infant baptism as being how one is saved? Whether you do or do not, explain.
I realize this is a controversial topic, and my questions are likely biased toward my own view, but I welcome other perspectives. Greg Scharf (preaching professor for many years at Trinity) said that even those who view the baptism of infants as salvation ask for confirmation later, so we end up at the same place. Still, I see the danger of trusting in your baptism for salvation. I was personally baptized as an infant and confirmed as an adolescent in the Methodist church, but did not understand the gospel or know the Lord. It was just a ceremony that took place when you were thirteen, allowing you to join the church.
Tuesday: Experiencing His Love Through Prayer
At one of her Run with Christ meetings, a young man was discussing his secret place —a prayer closet, perhaps inspired by the movie “War Room.” Maggie said, “I have a walk-in closet, so I started going there to talk to Jesus like I would a friend. I imagined him looking like the guy from The Chosen. I started putting up post-it notes with requests, but I wanted to go beyond requests to talking and listening to Him as I would a friend.” I smiled because Maggie has learned so well from her mother how to listen to others. When she was younger, we went out to lunch, and she said, “I want to be intentional in hearing about you. Tell me about what is going on with you.” 🙂 I knew she would also listen to the Lord. She kept asking the Lord, “What is Your calling for me?” And she kept waiting on Him, ready for His reply.
Maggie said, “I kept sensing it was to speak.” That makes so much sense — He saved my tongue so I could glorify Him — to tell others about Him. Whether it is asking the barista at the coffee shop how I can pray for him or asking a co-worker what she did this weekend… Then I can tell them what I did! I might just mention church or RWC (Run with Christ) and see where it goes.”
4. Meditate on Psalm 5:1-3 and write down everything you learn about prayer.
5. Now, follow the psalmist’s example and tell or write down your concerns before Him. Then be still and listen. See if He impresses anything on your heart. If He remains silent, continue to come to Him and wait.
6. What promise is there in Isaiah 40:30-31 for those who hope, who wait, upon the Lord?
7. Share a time when you had to wait upon Him and He answered. Recently, if possible.
Wednesday: Experiencing His Love Through Obedience and Faith
There are so many things that are clear in Scripture that we should be doing: caring for the poor, sharing our faith, making disciples — and if something isn’t clear, such as which of two different good jobs to take, we can ask for His peace. That’s what Maggie did and then waited on the Lord, and He gave her His peace about one job. But Maggie is very intent on obeying the things that are clear in Scripture, as so many of us fail to do. She reminds me a bit of Katie Davis, the young Catholic girl who, after graduating from high school, went to Uganda to care for orphans and ended up adopting 18 of them. When asked why, she said simply: “Because Jesus tells us to feed the hungry and care for orphans.”.
Often, God’s Spirit will repeat something to get your attention. Maggie said, “God kept bringing Ephesians 3:20 to my mind:
Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us…
Then, shortly after that, a guest speaker challenged her RWC group to trust that verse and ask for big things. Maggie said, “I knew His Word tells us to take the gospel to the ends of the earth. Our team was headed to Norris Lake, Tennessee, for a weekend retreat, so I wrote this in my journal: Please allow me to share the gospel with five people to see one person get baptized. I don’t want to minimize You, Lord.” (Then she made me smile because she said, “This isn’t the prosperity gospel.” I thought, That would be saying make me rich, make me important…not let me take the gospel to the ends of the earth. Maggie pulled out her prayer journal to show me her prayer:
One of the many values of journaling is to see how God has answered prayers you have recorded. For Maggie it happened pretty quickly, as I” share tomorrow.
8. What are some things God’s Word tells us to do that you are doing and finding joy in doing?
9. What are some things that He tells us to do that you need prayer to do?
10. Maggie talked about the impact of the parable of the two builders, one who built on sand and one on rock. Both heard the Word, so what was the difference?
11. What do you think of Maggie’s faith and journaling?
Thursday/Friday: Ruined for An Ordinary Life
Here is the team that headed to Norris Lake for the weekend. Maggie is in blue.
Maggie and her team shared a fire pit and a dock at Norris Lake (above) with another group in the Airbnb next door. It was a bachelor’s party. Someone threw up over the deck. Her team talked about how easily that could have been them, but for the grace of God. They began to pray for the group.
The bachelor party group reached out to them, asking if they would like to do a beer swap. Maggie said, “We apologized that we didn’t have any beer, but said we’d love to visit. Later, we ended up on the dock together and started chatting. They asked us how we knew each other, and it was a great chance to explain how the Lord brought us together through Run With Christ. We talked into the evening, over two hours. All of in different little clusters. I heard the word “evolution” come from one group, and I knew they were talking apologetics.”
Maggie had a chance to share her testimony with one of the guys, and she did a 2025 adaptation of the old Kennedy model. “On a scale of 1 to 10, how sure are you of going to heaven?” She told him that once she thought she was a 7, and her friend said she was a 10, which made Maggie think she was arrogant. The young man said he thought he was, at best, a 6. Then Maggie said she was now a 10 and explained the gospel to him. Maggie took a picture of 5 guys on the dock, in answer to her prayer, though they had shared with more than that. And the next day, a member of their team, who had never been baptized, said, “I keep looking at this lake and thinking I’ve never been baptised but would like to be.” So he and another were as well. Two! God did more than Maggie could have even thought or imagined.
12. What stands out to you from Maggie’s story? How did you like the 1 to 10 method of presenting the gospel?
13. Challenge: Using Ephesians 3:20, make your request in accordance with His Word and Spirit, and be ready to report next week.
Saturday:
14. What is your take-a-way and why?
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Sunday:
1. How have you experienced the love of God in community this week? In nature? In the Word?
—This past week was full with travel and being at our annual church conference in Lincoln, Nebraska. Our local church belongs to a small fellowship of about 60 American churches. And there are 60 some international church plants in India over the last 20 years. Those international churches give our American churches a clearer perspective of suffering and serving God under a hostile government.
Over the years my husband and I have become friends with many pastors and church leaders within this group. Getting to spend time and reengaging with a number of them is always a great blessing to our lives personally. These are people many of whom serve small churches like Bing and her husband. (Bing I so appreciate the commitment you and Richard have to serving his people and the community where God has put you.)
Our son Tyce now serves as the President of the Berean Fellowship of Churches and this year he was the main speaker at the conference and taught from the book of Joshua. It was a joy to hear him teach again after about six months since he left his position as the pastor of our local church. All in all it was a spiritually refreshing time and I definitely experienced the love of God in community.
But nature has not been so kind this week with the extremes of heat and humidity. Although a couple of times we were able to sit out on our deck and enjoy the green beauty and quiet of a summer evening until the mosquitoes run us back inside. 😊
The Word of God continues to be rich in its affirmations of God’s love. As Tyce was teaching from Joshua in one of the lesson he primarily centered on Rahab the Prostitute. It was so good to be reminded of her faith being placed in the one true God and how He poured out His grace on her life because she trusted Him. Tyce brought out the fact that God’s grace is scandalous. He said if there is hope for Rahab there is hope for us.
I thought back to our study here on the blog about Ruth (daughter-in-law of Rahab) who also came out of a pagan culture and believed in the one true God and experienced His love for her. I am reminded that the more I trust solely in God the more I experience His deep and personal love for me.
What a great week of blessing you have had, Bev. Thank you for sharing this encouraging message. I love the teaching that Tyce shared. I love how God sees beyond our flaws and sees our hearts. Love how He wants our trust and willingness to serve Him. He is so good. How blessed we are to live in this free country. All glory to God.
Bev, it sounds like an amazing experience to be with others and see how they worship.
Bev, sounds like you have a great time of fellowship with your community of believers. I was wondering if you had the meeting at the Berean Church in Lincoln? Thank you for the words of encouragement. It came at a time when my spirit had been low due to recent changes in our church. I keep reminding myself to focus on Jesus and not on man.
Bev — these are wonderful blessings — engaging with brothers and sisters who suffer — your wonderful son Tyce! Why did you name him Tyce? An unusual name!
Sunday:
1. How have you experienced the love of God in community this week? In nature? In the Word? – Last week most of the couples in our Life Group got attacked by the enemy. One girl, Cindy had her mom taken to the ER with numbness in her arm and very high blood pressure, a few days later her dad was taken to the ER with heart issues; Nathan’s mom was in a very bad accident and ended up with a broken leg and issues breathing and couldn’t walk more than two steps before having to sit down; Corby, was playing in the worship band and was unable to continue in 2nd service being overcome with a kidney stone attack; my grandson Logan and his grandpa Dan were t-boned, and the truck went down an embankment flipping over 2.5 times as it went down. We were texting in our group text each time and we all started praying for each other and then God stepped in. Cindy’s mom ended up with two stents, with one artery being 100% blocked, her dad was released by his wishes. Nathan’s mom, breathing returned to what her normal is and was able to walk around her whole apartment before becoming out of breath. Corby got relief from meds and is now feeling better. And Logan and his grandpa Dan came out of that nasty accident with just soreness and some bruises. God is so good, he’s so faithful and loves us so much that he will not let the enemy win in his battles. What an awesome God we serve. Thank you Jesus!
God has been watching over your Life Group, Julie! That is a lot of happenings in a span of just a week. Thanking God for His care for your friends.
Does seem like an enemy attack — so glad for victories.
Oh my gosh! That was a crazy week! I’m so happy everyone seems better and God answered prayers. Thank You Lord.
Thanking God for His protection and care in each of these situations, Julie. Thank you Jesus!
Wow Julie, oh how we need to support one another in prayer for the battles in life.
A scary week and God’s faithfulness!
Sunday:
1. How have you experienced the love of God in community this week? In nature? In the Word?
In community: The Summer Children’s Fellowship. This was our first year that we hosted a VBS-like event for our kids at church. We had 19 kids show up and 14 adult helpers. My cousin, Millien, happened to be here visiting during that time, and she was such a big help and thoroughly enjoyed watching American kids and adults have fun and work together! I had an Ephesians 3:20-21 experience seeing the body of Christ work together and blessing our little ones with the study of God’s Word in Joshua. Crafts, snacks, water games, and lunch rounded up the morning. God loves to provide for our enjoyment while we do his work.
In Nature: my garden. This year has been a bumper crop for cucumbers. The tomatoes are running a close second with their big fruit about to turn ripe! We have had a good amount of rain and sunshine this month of July, unusual with the heat, but all from God’s hands. The zinnias have been a colorful display of colors. And the butterflies! I think of Matthew 6:25-34. God loves me, and I need not worry.
In the Word: The list of verses from the Psalms that you shared with us last week, Dee, is a good springboard for reflection on suffering. God loves me through my suffering.
Thanks, Bing — those were from Keller on Psalm 119. Love your VBS report.
Such lovely experiences of God’s love and provision in VBS, Bing! I love the joy and bountiful fruits God is blessing you with through your garden! And the butterflies!
Love hearing how God has blessed you in nature. 💕
What a great start to your VBS!
I love VBS! The garden sounds wonderful.
1. How have you experienced the love of God in community this week? The Lord gave me great encouragement and love in my struggles this week, right here on this blog. As I was struggling and facing a tough bit of news in our family, all of you reminded me to keep my eyes on my Savior. Thank you. In nature? My sweet daughter, who saw me struggling in another area of family heartache, brought me a beautiful bouquet of flowers. It was extra sweet to me, as I know they are struggling financially right now, and she still sought to give me this kind gift. In the Word? The Lord has brought me back to many scriptures that help me battle the lies in this world brought on by the heartaches I see here. He has refocused me on the eternal, even though I am weeping in this physical world over hard things. John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. Not as the world gives do I give you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid. And Isaiah 43:18-19 Forget the former things; do not dwell on the past. See, I am doing a new thing! Now it springs up; do you not perceive it? I am making a way in the wilderness and streams in the wasteland.
Love the story of flowers from your financially strapped daughter.
Chris, love all of these praises! This is so good: In the Word? The Lord has brought me back to many scriptures that help me battle the lies in this world brought on by the heartaches I see here. He has refocused me on the eternal, even though I am weeping in this physical world over hard things.
Chris I am in Isaiah in my Bible reading right now. What good verses from Isaiah. “Forget the former things; do not dwell on the past. See, I am doing a new thing! Now it springs up; do you not perceive it? I am making a way in the wilderness and streams in the wasteland. ”
Love that verse.
Oh Chris, so many hugs from God this week for you. Love it!
So happy to hear a bit of “lilt” in your voice here, Chris! I also like to remember Horatio Spafford who lost so much and still wrote It is Well with my Soul. That is encouragement to me. Love that verse too.
1. How have you experienced the love of God in community this week? In nature? In the Word?
We have been at the beach for a couple of weeks. There have been some beautiful, restful days. The waves rolling in, the sand, the relaxing (finally, somewhat). I am blessed by my husband’s family. I really believe God has done what He told me He would do all those years ago. He has taken care of me through my husband. Thank You Lord.
2. How do you view baptism? Support your view scripturally.
I believe that being baptized demonstrates your faith in God. I’m not sure I have always thought this way however.
“And all who have been united with Christ in baptism have put on Christ, like putting on new clothes.”
Galatians 3:27 NLT
When I was growing up, though, I thought baptism was a ceremony that set you apart, and was binding between you and God. It had to do with salvation. I thought babies were not saved if they didn’t go through the ceremony. My mom was a Catholic so that is probably where I got my ideas.
I actually love the baptism ceremony. In the Methodist Church where I grew up, the congregation agrees to help raise the child in Christian faith. It is beautiful. I was “christened” in the Catholic church as a baby. Since leaving the Methodist church as an adult, I have been baptized in the Baptist church with full immersion. This was to profess my faith.
3. Do you see any danger in seeing infant baptism as being how one is saved? Whether you do or do not, explain.
Well, where does it say a baby should be baptized? It seems that people in the OT were anointed (like David), but baptism with water came when John the Baptizer was baptizing people, including Jesus, right? Now that I say that, I found one verse in the OT, lol…
“Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean. Your filth will be washed away, and you will no longer worship idols.”
Ezekiel 36:25 NLT
Our children were all baptized. We had the grands “dedicated” in our Baptist doctrine faith when they were younger. They will decide when they want to profess their faith in God to the congregation.
I don’t think it is dangerous to have a child baptized, rather, not meaningful to them. It’s a ceremony where the parents get to feel good about taking care of their children. It’s like something they get to stand up and profess for their family. They believe the baby is recognized in God’s eyes, I guess 🤷🏻♀️. In places like Sweden, from where our DIL hails, people don’t attend church or even know God. BUT, they all know baptism and they take their babies to church to have them baptized! Isn’t that funny? I guess at least they do that?
I find our individual stories so interesting. Thank you for sharing yours.
Good post, Laura. I believe the Ezekiel verse, if you study the context, means that it is God, not a ritual, who cleanses us, and it is God, not our striving, who gives us a new heart.
Love the verse from Galatians, Laura! It is like putting on new clothes!
oh I really like that verse in Galatians Laura.
2. How do you view baptism? Support your view scripturally. Okay-first, I love that we can discuss our views here without fear of judgement. I have a reformed background and this follows the covenantal view where babies are baptized as a promise between the parents, the child and the Lord, to raise this child up to know him. The promise also includes the church family, as they participate in promising to do their part in teaching this child the faith and love of the Lord. The church then expects the child, at a later date, to make a public profession of faith, to express outwardly what the Lord has done in their heart with regard to believing for themselves. I have never had a problem with this view, but never felt it necessary for an infant to be baptized for salvation or for the Lord to bring that child to faith. I know the reformed faith connects this type of baptism to the covenant of circumcision, but I do not find scriptural evidence for this, but it is someone’s interpretation. I find nothing wrong with the thinking behind it and I do like the intentional commitment to helping raise each child to know the Lord. There are many instances in scripture which could support baptizing a whole household as this was done in the book of Acts many times as the Spirit was moving in a powerful way. Acts 16:15 Lydia and her household, Acts 16:31 Philippian jailer and his whole family, Acts 18:8 Crispus, ruler of the synagogue and his household. Today, we do not always see an entire household come to faith and many families have children, including mine, who make a profession of faith where they say, I was believing because of my parents, but now my faith is my own.
We have an interesting circumstance in our community church, where many are coming new to the church, with no church background, and want a believers baptism with full immersion. We also have many coming from a reformed background with children and then have a new baby they want baptized, like their other children were. And we have young people who were baptized as babies and wish to make profession of faith. So far our church has met everyone’s needs, but there was talk of going to a believers baptism only. I believe they ruled against this but I will need to ask my husband what brought them to the decision. Our church is growing at an amazing rate. We have a baptism service scheduled in August and I believe there are currently 3 dozen people joining the church that day.
Some of my kids attend a community church in a nearby town where the church background is baptist. This church does not honor the reformed view. My kids were baptized and made profession of faith and have children who were baptized in the reformed tradition and now feel they cannot become members here because this church requires a believers baptism to join, even though they have already been members in the reformed church. It’s like this church is saying what they did to show their faith in the reformed faith doesn’t count and must be redone. They love the church and the people, even the pastor, but the elders beliefs are keeping them from becoming members.
3. Do you see any danger in seeing infant baptism as being how one is saved? Yes. Whether you do or do not, explain. I think of all the scripture pointing to whole households becoming saved and think this is great and how it should be. I even think of Lot and how the angels tried to save his whole family, even sons promised to his daughters…but in the end, his wife looked back and perished. We cannot assume a child in our family will be saved through a sacrament. We are only saved through Christ and his work on the cross. In my own family, my parents were brought up in Christina homes and baptized, but parents fell away from church-theirs and mine for a time. My grandfather would not go to church with my grandmother, saying Christian’s were hypocrites. Later he was baptized while in the hospital and very sick. He died not long after and I’m sure his baptism was a comfort to my grandmother, as it was to us all. He was a sweet man who was no doubt very hurt in the church. My mother has stayed away from church for many years saying her horses and the woods are her church, but recently she has found a pastor she likes at horse camp and I can see a difference in her attitude toward others. She is softening. Nevertheless, we cannot assume a sacrament will save-only Jesus.
On a side note, I believe there may has been a tendency for believers in the past to put faith in baptism for salvation, due to many infants dying of disease. I believe that priest and pastor were called to the dying infants homes to administer baptism for this reason. I know my son and DIL were offered the opportunity to have their son baptized when he passed after living only a few hours, and they chose to do this. It is a sweet memory for them and a comfort, though they know he is with the Lord without it. The hospital chaplain knows our family and he uses a small sea shell to pour the water on the infants and gives it as a memento to the parents. My DIL wears it on a necklace. We have earthly ways of dealing with our losses that have nothing to do with eternity, and I think that is okay as long as we remember its only Jesus that saves.
Love your entire post, Chris! It is so interesting to see how the ways of doing baptism can comfort or divide. I agree with you, it is Jesus who saves. I find it so important to keep my eyes on Him. Thank your for sharing these stories. They are so important.
Me too Chris. So filled with wisdom.
Chris, so much good stuff in your post. Can you clarify please for me. To join the church you attend, you first have to be baptized and then you can join and become a member? That’s interesting to me, if that is what you mean.
Yes, Julie. In the reformed faith, the church refers to Acts 2:41-42, where believers responded to the gospel, were baptized and devoted themselves to learning the teachings of the apostles, fellowship with them and the breaking of bread and prayers. I found it interesting in my study that historically, the primary practice of the church was to baptize infants. It is only in the last 500 years that practice has not been followed as closely. This is an article by a pastor at our church if you are interested. He goes into the meaning behind covenant and why the church historically included infants in the covenant sign of circumcision and baptism. Their reasoning is biblical and interesting. https://www.resoundmedia.cc/rblog/why-do-we-baptize-babies
It then follows that once a believer has confessed their faith and been baptized (or in the case of infant baptism, been baptized and then professed their faith), they become a full confessing member and are expected to participate fully in church life through attendance in worship, fellowship, service and giving. Membership also implies a submission to church authority and discipline. The church elders are responsible for holding members accountable should they stray from the teachings of the Bible. It is not just a social formality, but a part of our discipleship as Christ followers.
Thanks, Chris, for the link and your explanation. It opens the way to a new way to look at things and helps to dig deeper.
Interesting article! Thanks for sharing it.
Good points about the dying children and baptism. Again, it seems more “ritualistic” and helpful for the living to cope. I love the seashell idea and your DIL wearing it. So sweet. I’m sorry for their (and your) loss.
I’m not really familiar with reformed versus ? Our church kind of made us feel the same way (as your family members) when we became members. I get that. We waited, as your family members are doing too. My husband was Catholic and christened, as I was. I remember a conversation between us about this very point. But, then I decided, for me, that it was just showing my faith outwardly as an adult, where I wasn’t able to do it as a child. I came to grips and he and I decided we would do it together so we could become members of the church.
I love that! I really don’t see any problem with it and I think it would make Jesus smile to see your heart-felt reasoning. I really see the elders at the church my kids attend as weaker brothers who are holding onto human reasoning. Praying they can be accepting of my kids hearts and see it’s not really an issue scripturally to support them as they wish to join the church.
Chris, as a Baptist, I have always adhered to baptism by immersion, but have grown through the years in my understanding of infant baptism, and now hearing of the covenantal view for the first time. Thank you for sharing the link-it made sense to me. always thankful that the grace of God extends to all believers who may have different views on the topic but are united by Jesus.
Monday: Baptism
2. How do you view baptism? Support your view scripturally.
—Our church practices a Believers Baptism by complete immersion in water. That is based on the translation of the Greek word baptizo which means to dip, plunge or immerse. Different Greek words are used for sprinkling and pouring. We do not practice infant baptism because we feel the practice of baptism is a public statement by an individual of their identification with Jesus and signifies the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. By being baptized it is saying I confess faith in Christ; Jesus has cleansed my soul from sin and I now have new life in Christ. Baptism is an outward testimony of the inward change in a believer’s life. A baby does not have that understanding. Our church does practice baby dedications for parents who want to raise their child in the Christian faith teaching them the truths of God’s Word and the means of Salvation in Christ alone.
Biblical examples of baptism by immersion would be it was the practice of John the Baptist found in John 1. Jesus himself even though the perfect sinless son of God submitted to the waters of baptism as an example of what He would do for us in his death, burial and resurrection. Another New Testament example of baptism from Acts 8 was the Ethiopian eunuch when he understood the gospel as taught to him by Philip asked to be baptized.
I do think if possible it is good to be baptized out of obedience to the Lord. We have had some elderly people be baptized over the years in our church which always speaks to me when they want to publicly express their commitment to Christ. But it is not required to be saved. I actually had a woman tell me that my grandfather who accepted Christ three months before he died and never baptized was not in Heaven because of that. My answer was but what about the thief on the cross? Any kind of legalism becomes a dangerous way to think. I certainly don’t feel methods of baptism are a hill to die on. A Christian doesn’t have to be baptized or practice Communion but I think the practice of both are sacraments that honor Christ in our lives and spiritually benefit our lives. Both are wise and spiritual remembrances.
It all comes back to having right motives in the heart.
3. Do you see any danger in seeing infant baptism as being how one is saved? Whether you do or do not, explain.
—Yes I feel seeing any kind of “work” in other words “doing something” to obtain salvation in Christ is dangerous. Our only hope of salvation comes by the conscious act of faith believing in the finished work of Jesus on the Cross for our sin and that alone. Nothing else can save us. For anyone to think that the act of baptism saves their child or is the reason to think they themselves are saved for having been baptized is misplaced.
Baptism whether by immersion, sprinkling or pouring is still only a symbolic act of obedience by aligning oneself with Christ. Even your sweet friend Maggie initially wanted to be baptized thinking it would somehow play a part in and complete her salvation. So good that God led her to understand its purpose.
I think this is a good answer to the question above from “Got Questions”.
“The tradition of christening an infant is absent from the Scriptures, although there is no biblical prohibition against it. At best, this teaching can confuse individuals about what biblical baptism means, and at worst, it can leave people believing that, if they were christened, they are already right before God, which may lead to their neglecting the recognition of their sin and subsequent need to trust in the finished work of Jesus Christ for salvation from sin.”
But it still comes back to a proper spiritual understanding behind the practices.
Love your post, Bev. Love this: Baptism whether by immersion, sprinkling or pouring is still only a symbolic act of obedience by aligning oneself with Christ. Even your sweet friend Maggie initially wanted to be baptized thinking it would somehow play a part in and complete her salvation. So good that God led her to understand its purpose.
Great post, Bev.
Answer to Comments from my Sunday post:
Yes Bing the conference was held at the Lincoln Berean Church out on 70th. Tyce actually has an office there now. Past presidents had their offices in their homes but with 4 kids still at home Tyce’s home is way too busy for that.
On Tyce’s name. When we were deciding on a name we considered the name Tyson and call him Ty but I didn’t care for the sound of Tyson Jensen. We have a nephew Bryce and my husband said how about using a T and calling him Tyce. So no special meaning behind it. We just liked the sound of it. 😊
But it is a unique name and he is a unique man of God.
Love all of this Bev…”I do think if possible it is good to be baptized out of obedience to the Lord. We have had some elderly people be baptized over the years in our church which always speaks to me when they want to publicly express their commitment to Christ. But it is not required to be saved. I actually had a woman tell me that my grandfather who accepted Christ three months before he died and never baptized was not in Heaven because of that. My answer was but what about the thief on the cross? Any kind of legalism becomes a dangerous way to think. I certainly don’t feel methods of baptism are a hill to die on. A Christian doesn’t have to be baptized or practice Communion but I think the practice of both are sacraments that honor Christ in our lives and spiritually benefit our lives. Both are wise and spiritual remembrances. It all comes back to having right motives in the heart.”
Hmm, as usual Bev, you made me think! I think I misunderstood the question Dee posed to us. Or, I interpreted it differently. She asked, “Do you see any danger in seeing infant baptism as being how one is saved?” I concentrated on the ceremony of baptism, not the actual saving part. I don’t believe an infant has to be baptized to be saved. The Catholics believe in “levels” of heaven (as I recall) where a child would be in “limbo” if they weren’t baptized. However I don’t see a problem having an infant baptized to represent, for the family, a commitment to God.
I love your response to the woman about your grandfather being baptized! Yes! The thief on the cross. So good.
2. How do you view baptism? Support your view scripturally.
They are numerous Bible verses that support different views of baptism. Even though I was baptized as a baby, I was baptized again in my early 20’s when my husband and I rededicated our lives to Jesus. I believe that a baptism of Christening is a commitment made by parents, and in some cases the church, to raise your child to know Jesus, so that he can choose to be baptized when he/she understands the commitment being made.
Romans 6:3-4: “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death? Therefore, we are buried with Him by baptism into death; that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in the newness of Christ.”
I believe that baptism is a new birth, but I also believe it is a covenant that we make to live for Jesus, a commitment to follow Him, to live according to the His Word, the Bible, and to bring others to know Him by our words, actions and lifestyle. We can do every kind of baptism, but without a change in the way we live, speak, talk and act, it is not truly a commitment. I see baptism as accepting Jesus proposing to me to be His spouse, on this earth and for eternity.
3. Do you see any danger in seeing infant baptism as being how one is saved? Whether you do or do not, explain.
I know that my parents saw it that way when my brother and I were tiny. As our parents grew in their faith, they always grew in their view of baptism. A baby does not understand a covenant, yet I believe that it was a covenant my parents made on my behalf. They made a commitment to raise me with the knowledge of Jesus, and a life lived for Him. Yet, I became responsible for that choice when I was old enough to understand what it meant. It is about the heart and not about a public display. It is about surrendering my will for His will, for now and for eternity.
I think this verse is a good description of baptism:An expressed identification with Christ’s death and resurrection:the old self was crucified with Christ (through the waters of death), and now followers of Jesus have risen with him in “newness of life” (Romans 6:3-11).
Patti, I love your discussion of covenants and the Romans verses.
Patti it is interesting that you said. “ I see baptism as accepting Jesus proposing to me to be His spouse, on this earth and for eternity.” When Tyce baptizes someone he uses the illustration of baptism being like a wedding ring. You wear a wedding ring as a symbol of your marriage covenant with your spouse and so it is with baptism. It is an outward sign of your covenant commitment to Christ.
That is how I feel. Our church in Bellevue and my church here in Rhode Island, follow the immersion baptism. I love that, yet I agree with and love the illustration Tyce uses. The scriptures speak to covenants made with the Lord and the covenant of marriage is that kind of commitment, as is baptism.
Monday: Baptism
2. How do you view baptism? Support your view scripturally. – My belief is that our baptism is an outward sign of my commitment to Christ. One scripture I see is Ephesians 4:4-5 “There is one body and one Spirit–just as you were called to one hope when you were called–one Lord, one faith, one baptism;” Another one is 1 Peter 3:21 “…and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also–not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ…” And Acts 2:38 “Peter replied, ‘Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
3. Do you see any danger in seeing infant baptism as being how one is saved? Whether you do or do not, explain. – I was brought up catholic and baptized as a baby at 3 months old. My boys were baptized as babies in the Presbyterian church. But as I grow as a Christian, I can see how this type of baptism is not truly their confession of faith in Christ. They had no clue what was being done or even why it was being done. They didn’t even know who God/Jesus/Holy Spirt were. I think that we need to get to the deeper point of baptism to see the true meaning and that comes from the scriptures. It’s the individual’s responsibility to make their faith in God known to others, I can’t do that for them. I can pray that my boys get to this point in their lives, they both know Jesus and gave their lives to them, but I can’t walk that life for them. We each have our own walk, our own faith and our own love. It’s up to me to grow mine.
Love your post, Julie and love that your boys both know Jesus.
So wise to see each one needs to work out their own salvation. I do love the story of Pilgrim’s Progress by John Bunyan and all the trials Christian faces along the way to the Celestial City. We each have our own walk and it is so tender of you to be watching and praying for your boys.
Monday: Baptism
1. How do you view baptism? Support your view scripturally.
First of all, Dee, thank you for bringing this topic up with us for a respectful discussion. This is surely the place where I have found honesty, vulnerability, and safety in sharing our thoughts and feelings.
I have been a Baptist all of my life, but I have had exposure to other religions and Protestant denominations. I have also been involved with Young Life, Campus Crusade (CRU), Torchbearers, New Tribes Mission, and the Navigators. The latter had a strong influence on my appreciation for the Word and its call for missions, evangelism. To some degree, having these exposures has opened my eyes to how I view life, including baptism.
Dee, I have never heard of the covenantal view; therefore, I appreciate knowing about it. I love what it stands for, although I am of the last camp, that is, believers’ baptism by immersion. Perhaps it is because of my own baptism experience or hearing my husband often say the words from Romans 6:4, “We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.” Such a beautiful picture of an outward sign of an inward faith.
I also believe in following the example of Jesus, who was baptized by John the Baptist. “Jesus replied, “…Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Matthew 3:15
His parents took him to the temple to present Him before the Lord as required by the Mosaic law during those days. Luke 2:22 But I do believe this was more for the parents to affirm their role in raising a child in the Lord.
We have several regular attendees in our Baptist church who are of other denominations. Membership often comes up as Baptists hold water baptism as one of the “requirements”. One of our regular attendees said that while Richard is her pastor and she calls herself a Baptist, she did not want to be baptized by immersion because she believed she already was baptized by sprinkling and confirmed at another denomination. Richard conducted her funeral services, and in her obituary, it was written that she was of the Baptist faith.
1. Do you see any danger in seeing infant baptism as being how one is saved? Whether you do or do not, explain.
The only way to salvation is through Jesus. Infants cannot make that decision of the will and mind for themselves. I like the covenantal view in the sense of the infant being set apart for Christ and the serious responsibility parents have in that ceremony, but I do not know where that is expressed in Scripture clearly.
I also have known friends who were baptized as an infant but do not live a faithful life based on Jesus as the only way and their Lord and Savior. Do they ultimately become saved? Or friends and loved ones who were baptized by immersion but live like it was the act that saved them and not the sacrifice of Jesus. Are they saved? God has the final say on that. Oh, I am rabbit trailing!
I have often thought and likened the different ways Christians look at baptism to school uniforms when I went to elementary and high school in the Philippines. Even when I was in nursing school, nurses’ aprons identified students as coming from a certain school because of the color. Baptism by immersion. Sprinkling, covenantal, could identify us by denomination, but unite us in Jesus as our only way to salvation.
Bing, I love your reference to the school uniforms and denominations! So funny, but true. Jesus is our only way to salvation and God does have the final say. If you are interested in some of the history behind infant baptism, I answered Julie’s question from my post on Monday. I love to look at church history and found some interesting facts/scriptures. I also love the joke about people of different denominations entering heaven, and each one announcing to which they belonged upon their arrival. They are all instructed by the angel to be quiet when passing by a certain group-and then they find out it’s because that group thinks they are the only denomination in heaven. Unfortunately, as people we cannot agree on much, and thankfully the Lord does have the final say. I love that we can discuss the differing views.
Thanks, Chris! I will re-read your post. There is so much in our discussions here that warm my heart.
Monday: Baptism
Like Dee I was baptized as an infant (Lutheran) and confirmed as an adolescent (Methodist). I had no idea there was another type of baptism until I started attending a Baptist church shortly after I was married with a friend. God had graciously opened my eyes to the truth and saved me about 8 months prior. Several years later I participated in believer’s baptism.
2. How do you view baptism? Support your view scripturally. The examples usually referred to in regard to baptism in the NT are: John’s baptism for repentance in Jordan river (Matthew 3) turning back to God; Pentecostal baptism of 3000 (Acts 2), Ethiopian eunuch (Acts 8) These were all Jews or proselytes being baptized for the remission of sins, believing that Jesus was the Messiah, immersion in water; Saul/Paul, encountering the ascended Lord on the way to Damascus, was blind for three days. Three days to sit in darkness, fasting and thinking of all he had done and how wrong he had been. Upon receiving his sight he arose and was baptized (Acts 9); Philippian jailer (Acts 16), a Gentile, was baptized by Paul and Silas. **Interesting here, it says the jailer, and ALL HIS. When I asked my mother about infant baptism, she pointed to this passage saying there must have been children and possibly babies, so that confirmation was just that, confirming the first baptism. I wonder if that was what she had been told, going to a Lutheran church after she was married.**
In all the above instances, an inward change had taken place, the baptism involved water, and it was very public. The act itself was just a picture of what had taken place inwardly.
I know this is probably more than what you needed, but we just had believer’s baptism yesterday, and the scripture references are fresh in my mind. Four adults stated their testimonies at the morning service, afterwards we all went down to the creek where they were baptized very publicly. One woman had a cast on her leg, but wanted to be baptized with her husband. A strong gentleman carried her into the creek and held her while the pastor poured water over her face and head. It was a precious sight.
3. Do you see any danger in seeing infant baptism as being how one is saved? Whether you do or do not, explain. The danger I see is that a person can rely on that baptism not really knowing or understanding the gospel. Some people believe that you MUST be baptized to go to heaven, which is an error, too. Baptism of any type does not save you, or place you into the body of Christ.
What a precious sight of the woman being carried.
I love this discussion on baptism and I appreciate all of your scriptural references, Cheryl. Amen to Chris, a precious sight of the woman being carried.
I love that they use the creek!
What a wonderful discussion of baptism! I love reading everyone’s views and experiences. I cannot think of anywhere else this could take place without judgement, criticism, and even anger. Thank you, Dee for prompting us,
I agree, Cheryl. The exchanges here have helped me clarify/solidify my convictions and understand others who think differently. My heart wants to sing praises to our gracious and loving God, who has knit our hearts together in Christ Jesus.
Agree! I think there is something to be learned from each of the views.
I agree, I love this discussion. Yes, thank you, Dee.
I love the discussion as well, but I’m confused as to why there would be anger? I guess I’m naive?
I think anger arises when someone’s point of view/belief is challenged/disagreed with by someone else. I have seen shouting and bitterness from some discussions.
You are correct. My DIL was upset with an elder saying her baby’s baptism was only a ‘bath’ and not spiritually significant. This is the church requiring a believer’s baptism. It didn’t help her daughter had died, but still it’s offensive to say that a sacrament in one church means nothing in another.
2. How do you view baptism? Support your view scripturally. My view of baptism is that it is a voluntary thing that a person does to show that he has accepted Christ as his savior. Mark 1:4 John was baptizing people as a sign of repentance and forgiveness of sin. 1Peter 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
3. Do you see any danger in seeing infant baptism as being how one is saved? Whether you do or do not, explain. I believe that infant baptism is giving false hope to people that the child is saved. I was baptized as an infant into the Catholic church and my mom believed that this ceremony guaranteed my acceptance into heaven when I died. There is nothing in scripture to support this ideology. I was baptized later in life when I wanted to make a public proclamation of my faith in Christ. I spent a lot of years praying that my infant baptism was enough, but came to the conclusion that I had not publicly proclaimed my death and burial to sin, and resurrection with Christ. I also knew that baptism was not a requirement of salvation. The thief on the cross next to Jesus didn’t get baptized, but he was told that on this day he would be with Jesus in paradise. I concluded that I had the opportunity on this earth to be obedient to the call to be baptized and that if I didn’t, I was being disobedient to His word.
Dawn, I love your thought (and I think somebody else said the same) about the thief on the cross. I have to remember that. Baptism does not save us. Only Jesus can. Even during his dying hours, Jesus is all about grace and mercy. He has the final say.
Dawn, I love that you could see the truth in scripture and be freed from praying for baptism to be enough. Don’t we all fall into traps of works of one kind or another?
Such great points, Dawn. Love that you sought the truth of Jesus. I see iron sharpening iron in all the posts and comments here. Such a wonderful place to gather!
I too love that story!
This has been a wonderful and respectful discussion on baptism. Shows the maturity of this group. It is confusing in Scripture as the word baptism can mean the ceremony but also being immersed into Christ at salvation. All the fights and even martyrdoms throughout history over the subject show how the enemy has stirred up confusion and dissension.
We know God looks on the heart, and that is what matters. I love Alistair Begg’s famous sermon “The Man in the Middle.” When the thief on the cross is queried as to his right to be in heaven, he is asked:
Can you explain justification? “No”
Were you baptized? “No”
Why are you here? “The man in the middle said I could come.”
The Man in the Middle! Yes! Makes me tear up. Thank You Lord.
https://open.spotify.com/track/6zN6wjHO3ALVCIQQhSqqqN?si=hZ4nnQXWTcCGCKKowLKcLA&context=spotify%3Asearch
Thanks, Laura.
I love it, too!
Tuesday: Experiencing His Love Through Prayer
4. Meditate on Psalm 5:1-3 and write down everything you learn about prayer. – Prayer does not need to be elaborate, it can be a crying out, a sighing. It helps set the day if done in the morning and God hears us first thing.
5. Now, follow the psalmist’s example and tell or write down your concerns before Him. Then be still and listen. See if He impresses anything on your heart. If He remains silent, continue to come to Him and wait. – Lord, my concern is I don’t come to you enough in the morning. I talk to you throughout the day or as something comes to mind. But help me, nudge me to be more intentional with you. My friends and their health are my big prayer right now. We have cancer and scans, we have the start of dementia, we have one body that is so messed up no one wants to do anything further though it’s needed. And the list goes on. Help me to know how to help them over and above my prayers. You, Lord, are in control. Amen.
6. What promise is there in Isaiah 40:30-31 for those who hope, who wait, upon the Lord? – He will renew our strength. We will soar on wings like eagle and when we run, we will not get weary and there will be no fainting when we walk. This reminds me of the peace we can have during trials and storms that others just can’t comprehend.
7. Share a time when you had to wait upon Him and He answered. Recently, if possible. – I’ve got some that I’m waiting for Him still, but I guess the most recent would be with Joe and his PSA level. God continues to answer each time he has a new PET scan to comes back clear of any signs of cancer. We are grateful and relieved each time.
When I heard Alistair Begg say that it sure did bring me hope.
When I heard Alistair Begg say that it sure did bring me hope for those finally realize the most important thing in their life.
Oh, wow, Dee! God’s grace and mercy in the answer to the three questions! I love that! Thank you, Laura, too!
4. Meditate on Psalm 5:1-3 and write down everything you learn about prayer.I can call upon the Lord and He will hear me. I acknowledge that He is my Lord, my God, my King. There is no one like Him, no one above Him, yet He hears my pleas, He pays attention to what is hurting my soul. He is there for me. He hears and knows my voice and my heart. He will answer, in His way, and in His time. He is full of grace and mercy. He sees my need and I will watch for His answer, because my trust is in Him. He is trustworthy.
5. Now, follow the psalmist’s example and tell or write down your concerns before Him. Then be still and listen. See if He impresses anything on your heart. If He remains silent, continue to come to Him and wait.
6. What promise is there in Isaiah 40:30-31 for those who hope, who wait, upon the Lord?
God will give His strength in my weakness. He will provide me with energy to deal with life and overcome problems. He has divine power and we will mount up with wings like eagles, we will be strengthened in Him, by Him.
7. Share a time when you had to wait upon Him and He answered. Recently, if possible.
I am continuing to wait on the Lord, yet I see Him moving me forward, teaching me daily, and giving me rest in Him and in His will for me. He is giving me joy, even in my loneliness. He is teaching me to be more sensitive to others needs, to think less about my needs and more about others. I need His strength and wisdom daily. His has given me opportunities to witness to others. God does not waste anything, even sorrow. How I Praise Him.
“God does not waste anything, even sorrow. How I Praise Him.” Patti that is such truth and you are a testimony to it.
Tuesday: Experiencing His Love Through Prayer
4. Meditate on Psalm 5:1-3 and write down everything you learn about prayer.
—The first thing I see is Who the Psalmist is addressing when he prays. It is the LORD (Yhwh) The One and only true God. He calls Him my King and my God and his focus is God alone. He prays to no one else.
Next there is a desire to be heard. The Psalmist says:
-Hear me…
-Pay attention to my groaning…
-Listen to my cry for help…
-Listen to my voice…
We all have a deep need to feel like we are really being listened to and heard at a heart level. We want Someone who understands.
I see that everyday the Psalmist begins his day in prayer. In the morning he brings his requests and petitions to God and waits on God for his answers. The NLT says he waits expectantly. There isn’t a hope so mentality but rather he is placing his faith in God to answer.
6. What promise is there in Isaiah 40:30-31 for those who hope, who wait, upon the Lord?
—There is the promise of renewed strength in the face of being faint with no strength to go on and being weary and worn down.
Going back up to verse 28 in this passage it was good to consider Who is giving this promise of new strength in place of weakness and weariness. It is the LORD the everlasting God and Creator of the ends of the Earth. One who does not ever faint or grow weary. His power and strength are eternal and we have the privilege of coming to Him and as we wait on Him He gives us his power and strength to rise up out of whatever is weighing us down.
7. Share a time when you had to wait upon Him and He answered. Recently, if possible.
—I don’t have a recent time of waiting that comes to my mind right now but we have requests we keep bringing to God and waiting for Him to answer. One is for the sale of Tyce & Bethany’s house here in Broken Bow. The market in small town America looks a lot different than in larger cities. It needs to sell soon so they don’t have two house payments. We are truly waiting on God for this to happen and pray that He will glorify Himself in the process.
4. Meditate on Psalm 5:1-3 and write down everything you learn about prayer.
Ask for God to hear and pay attention.
Ask God to listen as I ask for help.
Pray only to God.
Bring requests in the morning.
Wait to hear from God with expectation.
6. What promise is there in Isaiah 40:30-31 for those who hope, who wait, upon the Lord?
He will give power and new strength to those who trust and wait on Him.
Funny thing about my baptism as an adult. I had wanted to be baptized for a few years, but the different churches that I went to wanted a person to go to baptism classes before they could schedule their baptism. This never sat well with me. The baptisms recorded in the bible were spontaneous (John the Baptist is baptizing, go to where he is and get baptized. Philip had the chariot stopped and baptized the Ethiopian eunuch on the spot.)
One Sunday I was at church with my niece and the pastor announced that he was going to do a baptism after the service. I thought he said any one that wanted to be baptized to come up to the baptistry. I said to myself, this is my chance so I went up there and got ready. I found out later from my niece that he said any one who wanted to help, come up to the baptistry. Oh well! I got baptized that day.
That is a funny story — of God’s giving you the desire of your heart.
Oh, that makes me smile, Dawn! I love that you misunderstood and got baptized!💕🙏
Oh, Dawn! This made me giggle! God surprises us with his humor!
4. Meditate on Psalm 5:1-3 and write down everything you learn about prayer. You are to cry out to the Lord in the morning. With groaning means that you are honest about your feelings, don’t hold back He already knows what you are thinking and feeling.
6. What promise is there in Isaiah 40:30-31 for those who hope, who wait, upon the Lord? Their strength will be renewed. They will soar like eagles. They will run and not be weary. They will walk and not faint. In other words, the Lord will supply the strength that they need to continue to do His work.
Dawn, I love your story about your baptism. God does have a sense of humor. 😊 All that is needed to baptize someone is to know they understand that they are a sinner and that Jesus died for their sin and rose again and based on those truths they want to publicly say they believe in Him for their salvation. One of my granddaughters as a little girl kept bugging her parents to be baptized. The pastor of their church thought she was too young but he finally sat down with her and asked her why she wanted to be baptized. At her baptism he commented that he then realized she had a far more clear understanding of baptism than many adults who come to him for baptism. So she and her day were baptized onto the same day. It was beautiful. 💕
I meant to say her dad was baptized the same day. 🥴 darned spell check
4. Meditate on Psalm 5:1-3 and write down everything you learn about prayer. Prayer is a plea to God to hear the psalmist groaning and the sound of his cry. The psalmist comes in the morning with a sacrifice and waits for the answer.
5. Now, follow the psalmist’s example and tell or write down your concerns before Him. Then be still and listen. See if He impresses anything on your heart. If He remains silent, continue to come to Him and wait. Last night my daughter texted me about feelings of hopelessness in her parenting 4 young girls with special needs. I prayed for God’s peace for her last night and love the verses from Isaiah 40 this morning as an encouragement for those who wait on him.
6. What promise is there in Isaiah 40:30-31 for those who hope, who wait, upon the Lord? The Lord gives strength to the weary, who wait on him.
7. Share a time when you had to wait upon Him and He answered. Recently, if possible.There are some prayers I see answered right away and there are some I have waited on for years and am still waiting. In the waiting, I find I am comforted by scripture and community, but do battle discouragement and feelings of abandonment. This morning Corrie TenBooms message on her page I follow was God’s love still stands when all else has fallen.
8. What are some things God’s Word tells us to do that you are doing and finding joy in doing? Make disciples, share the gospel-I love to do this with children daily. We listen to Keys for Kids devotional online-this is a local ministry to us that has a global outreach. We also teach our kids to pray and have conversations about eternity almost daily. We try to discipline in a redemptive way, speaking about what pleases Jesus and shows love to others in our behavior.
9. What are some things that He tells us to do that you need prayer to do? I struggle with fears around sharing with adults. I have the bridal shower at my house this Sunday afternoon. Please pray for me as it will be a small group and it is intimidating to me. I often don’t know what to say to people who have experienced trauma and over-share their story in that type of setting. I want to lead a devotional about our hope and prayer for the couple going into marriage and the audience is going to be coming from a place of great brokenness in relationships. Pray I can offer hope.
10. Maggie talked about the impact of the parable of the two builders, one who built on sand and one on rock. Both heard the Word, so what was the difference? Relying on God versus relying on self.
11. What do you think of Maggie’s faith and journaling? I love her faith in God and seeing he can do what she can’t imagine-praying I can have this faith for my situation. I also love journaling. It is great to look back as I often forget what I have learned and what He has done in my life.
Love you are discipling children.
Dear Lord, Help Chris as she hosts the shower this weekend. Holy Spirit give her the words and peace of spirit to speak to those present. I pray You would use her in a special in all that’s said and done. In Jesus name, and for His glory, amen.
Will pray for you at the shower this weekend. 💕🙏🏻
Praying for you as you host the shower, Chris!
Thank you all for your prayers!
I love how you teach your children, Chris. What a blessing you are. I will pray for your shower on Sunday. May the Lord speak to your heart, and calm your soul, and give you the perfect devotion. I pray that you will have a wonderful time and that the shower will be a time of uniting families in joy, peace and love. I will be praying on Sunday too.
7. Share a time when you had to wait upon Him and He answered. Recently, if possible.
The past few months I have lamented about not really having women my age as friends. The ones I know who live near me, and have had relationships with in the past, have gone on with their lives without me for various reasons. I too, have a different life with the grands.
I was feeling sad about that and prayed that God would help me find some same age women who could be my friends (!). Weird, at 61 to think that way.
About a month ago, one of my former friends texted me and the other friend because she had a health scare and was reaching out from the hospital. We all reconnected and are now seeing each other (or at least doing Bible devotionals, texting, and getting together more). It is an answer to my prayer! Thank You Lord!
Wonderful answer, Laura.
Laura, What a delight to hear how God has answered your prayer and your hearts need to connect with some older trusted friends. I pray He will richly bless you through them. I have no doubt He will use you to bless them.
Praise him for answering you in a special way.
What a wonderful answer to prayer, Laura. Friendships are so important in our lives.
Oh Laura, that is awesome. God is so good. I think as we age, and our lives change we see things differently and may not be as busy as when we had kids so we notice the absence of friends more.
8. What are some things God’s Word tells us to do that you are doing and finding joy in doing?
I am trying to follow His word more carefully. I’m not sure about the joy part though, because it is hard at times. I do think I am a happier person when I do follow His law.
9. What are some things that He tells us to do that you need prayer to do?
Pray more formally, thanking Him for everything and repenting for my daily dinning, watch my tongue.
10. Maggie talked about the impact of the parable of the two builders, one who built on sand and one on rock. Both heard the Word, so what was the difference?
One had a firm foundation and the other did not. The man with the firm foundation did not slip when his life was challenging whereas the other man gave up quickly.
11. What do you think of Maggie’s faith and journaling?
Her faith is convicting and grounded.
I’m glad her journaling has helped her reflect and see that God answers prayers. I struggle with journaling, myself. I do it sometimes and then never go back and reflect on it! So, it seems like a waste. Also, where do I keep all the journals?
Laura, I am not a successful journaler ( is that a word🥴😊) Anyway I must just be too right brained. My husband documents everything and it has served him well but not me. For a long time I felt so undisciplined and guilty about it. You sound practical about it. But I do make notes and I do write down prayer requests when I’m in a group setting that take requests and keep that in the notes section on my phone. But when God answers a prayer whether it is written down or not I remember praying about it. I think the Holy Spirit reminds us so as to bring glory to God. Because of our relationship on this blog I well remember your prayer requests for your family. And the Holy Spirit reminds me to pray for you. But secretly I do envy and admire people who are good at documenting things like prayer requests. I just don’t happen to be one of them. Methods of doing things get lost on me but I enjoy seeing them in others who practice them well.
Thank you for remembering us in your prayers. Since my mom is gone it means so much to me. She was my “prayer warrior.”
I do try to pray for people here and sometimes former bloggers pop into my mind. Lately I’ve thought several times about Christina Swan. Do you remember her? Another person is “Anne.” I think it’s because I ended up on FB (not a place for me), and saw a post from Cynthia Ferrell there. I feel like we have been through so much together that we are actual friends! Maybe we should all try to do the “True Woman” conference in Indianapolis next year. I have always wanted to go. I know some are attending this year. It’s the timing for me. I start school and the conference is usually in the fall around that time. This year was to be a retirement year for me, but it hasn’t worked out that way. Se la vie!
I agree about the people who journal and do it well. I’m even a pretty good writer, but it’s a time thing. When? I like to use pen and paper, not a computer. My mom was a journaler and had so many when she passed! I found note cards in her handwriting and still have some today. They are sweet. I laminated one or two and use them as a bookmark.
That’s sweet about laminating your mom’s prayers or thoughts as bookmarks.
Oh, Laura! I also wished that I could attend the True Women conference! And I love what you did with your Mom’s notecards.
Tuesday: prayer
4. Meditate on Psalm 5:1-3 and write down everything you learn about prayer. He’s praying in the morning, directing his thoughts upward to the Lord, acknowledging the majesty of God (King, God, LORD). David asks the LORD to listen to his prayer, his voice, with and expectation of being heard by the LORD.
5. Now, follow the psalmist’s example and tell or write down your concerns before Him. Then be still and listen. See if He impresses anything on your heart. If He remains silent, continue to come to Him and wait. Gracious Lord, Creator of all things, I bless and praise your name. You know everything about me, my heart cry, and my each and every thought. You are my Savior, Lord, Lover of my soul. I was so happy when Amy came to live with us, hoping there would be opportunities to talk with her about You, to talk about why she has turned from You. That has not happened. Is it enough that I lavish love on her, and remain constant in walking with you, showing her my faithfulness to You? I know she knows the truth Lord; she once was close to You, but now is not. Holy Spirit show me what to do!
6. What promise is there in Isaiah 40:30-31 for those who hope, who wait, upon the Lord? My inner strength will be renewed. I will be able to continue on even when I feel like giving up. He will give me His peace calming my anxious heart. Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee. Isaiah 26:3
7. Share a time when you had to wait upon Him and He answered. Recently, if possible. Last week in the hospital as I had an unexpectedly long wait during my husband’s procedure. The Lord calmed my anxieties and gave me peace.
I realize upon reading the other comments, that I was not really waiting on the Lord at the hospital. His help came instantly as I focused on Him.
“Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.” Cheryl, I love this scripture and learned it as young girl from my grandmother. I repeat it often. 💕
It’s one of my favorites, too, Bev.
Oh, Cheryl! He kept you at perfect peace because your mind was stayed on Him! He calmed your anxieties. I see this as you being in a state of keeping your mind on the Lord! So He was already there to keep your calm.💕🥰 I agree with both of you, it is one of my favorite verses too.
Wednesday: Experiencing His Love Through Obedience and Faith
8. What are some things God’s Word tells us to do that you are doing and finding joy in doing?
—There are so many things that are part of the Christian walk and contribute to the joy and contentment of living in a relationship with Jesus. And they greatly help in mitigating the struggles of living in a fallen broken world. Foremost for me would be what we do here. The reading, study and meditating of the Bible which is God’s inspired Word. And praying to Him often brings joy to my heart because the Lord is faithful to reveal himself to me and speaks to the deepest needs of my heart. Just this week God has led me to consider Psalm 8 from 3 different completely unrelated sources. It was like it just kept popping up everywhere and each time I was blessed by the reminder of it.
Another would be the fellowship I enjoy with so many of God’s family. My brothers and sisters in Christ are a source of great blessing and joy. We are not left alone in this dark old world. Christ is first in my friendships and then He has knit my heart together with others of his children. Like many of you who are gracious gifts from God.
9. What are some things that He tells us to do that you need prayer to do?
—Being a witness for Christ and displaying his saving work in my own personal life causes me to recognize my deep need to pray and trust Him to work in and through me personally. In this flesh I am weak at best and helpless to serve Him well. I don’t naturally have the heart for it. It is only by leaning on his Holy Spirit that I can have any kind of effective ministry. The place of prayer serves to strengthen and encourage me as I worship Him first and then hear from the Him. And I realize He hears me as I see Him answer many prayers in His time.
10. Maggie talked about the impact of the parable of the two builders, one who built on sand and one on rock. Both heard the Word, so what was the difference?
—Jesus said “Anyone who listens to my teaching and follows it is wise,…..”
The wise person listens to Him. He is the Rock and when we build our lives on Him we find security and will be able to withstand the storms of life through his strength. The foolish person does things their own way trusting themselves and the flesh is a weak and shallow foundation comparable to sand. It washes away quickly.
11. What do you think of Maggie’s faith and journaling?
—It is a beautiful thing to see a young person like Maggie committed to Jesus. Journaling is a good practice for the very reason you give above in seeing how God answers the prayers that we have recorded. It gives testimony to the fact that God hears us and is faithful to answer us.
We have a Maggie in our own family. My sister’s granddaughter Sage graduated from college and instead of taking what were immediate job offers she chose to immerse herself in a college ministry for the last two years. Now she feels God is calling her to Nepal to share Christ among the young people there. She faithfully shares Christ wherever she goes trusting Him. The Maggies and the Sages of the body of Christ serve to greatly encourage and bring joy to us older believers. As Chuck Swindoll used to say “May their tribe increase”. 💕😊
I love Sage’s story. Her name means wisdom — right?
Tuesday: Experiencing His Love Through Prayer
1. Meditate on Psalm 5:1-3 and write down everything you learn about prayer. Words referring to prayer: words (sometimes it can just be one word, like help! or Lord!), lament, cry, voice, requests
Nothing was said about posture (sitting, standing, lying down, or prostrate)
It was addressed to my king, my God, Lord.
Morning is good for prayer.
Do I have a patient expectant heart?
2. Now, follow the psalmist’s example and tell or write down your concerns before Him. Then be still and listen. See if He impresses anything on your heart. If He remains silent, continue to come to Him and wait.
Lord, I thank you for the access I have with you through Jesus. And I thought that this quote from John Piper, which a dear friend shared with me, could be a pattern for my prayer/lament. “You know, Father, how my heart aches for this” (— you fill in the blank…) mine in italics: My heart aches for this church situation. I do not see it on the horizon, but you are good. You are wise. You love me. You sent Christ to die for me. You do not withhold from me what is best for me. I roll the burden of this desire onto you again this morning. Now help me, show me, how to walk in freedom.” Help me to wait patiently on you, to free my hands from grasping at my intellect and maneuverings. Remind me of your faithfulness through your word and the prompting of the Holy Spirit. Help me be still and know that you are God and I am not.
3. What promise is there in Isaiah 40:30-31 for those who hope, who wait, upon the Lord?
He will give strength to not be weary, increase the power of the weak, and renew their strength each day.
4. Share a time when you had to wait upon Him and He answered. Recently, if possible.
I have been praying for a college-age Christian student to be our regular nursery worker at church. My specific prayer was that she is over 18, has a heart for children, can relate well to adults in our church, and is available on Sundays and Wednesdays, and other days when needed. We have several responsible teens at church, but most are not available due to sports and other commitments, or are younger than 18. I know these teens can be great “assistants”. I also asked the Lord if this girl can use some extra financial help and if we can provide her with that. And if there is a way we can mentor her in her walk with God, then He will open that door for our church to do as well.
I realized this was a long list of requests I had laid out before God. But we have a God who can do great things. She sent us a wonderful college student who meets all of the above criteria. Payten is a lovely person, and I have had the opportunity to learn a little bit about her. I told her that she is an answer to our prayers, and she beamed!
Wow! I love your very specific prayer and the answer! It reminds me of a friend who went through a very difficult divorce and feeling very hurt thought she would never marry again. Her counselor suggested she write a prayer to God with her specific request for a husband. She did this rather begrudgingly and folded it up and put it in her bible. Sometime later she met a man and married. She had forgotten about her prayer and finding it later- it described her husband to a “T”.
Chris, love the story of your friend. I think Maggie, Dee’s young friend, hit the nail on the head here: “I do not want to minimize God.” I am guilty of minimizing Him at times.
”Help me to wait patiently on you, to free my hands from grasping at my intellect and maneuverings“. Such a good prayer. I think there is danger of wanting to answer our own prayers or figure out how to answer them.
Specificity in prayers! Takes faith!
Wednesday: obedience and faith
8. What are some things God’s Word tells us to do that you are doing and finding joy in doing? All the “one anothers:” love one another, encourage one another, forgive one another, etc. I find joy in building relationships with believers and serving them.
9. What are some things that He tells us to do that you need prayer to do? Guarding my heart and mind takes prayer for wisdom.
10. Maggie talked about the impact of the parable of the two builders, one who built on sand and one on rock. Both heard the Word, so what was the difference? Jesus said the man who obeys His Word is like the one who built upon a rock. To disobey/ignore His word is like building on sand. Jesus is the Word, so we need to live in obedience to all pertinent scripture in this age of grace.
11. What do you think of Maggie’s faith and journaling? She wants to apply everything she learns about the Lord, and the Christian’s walk with Him, to her life. Her faith is alive and contagious! Her journaling gives her written reminders of prayer and answers she receives. I’m sure it gives her great encouragement and others also, if/when she share what’s written.
Wednesday: Experiencing His Love Through Obedience and Faith
I love the title of this section!
8. What are some things God’s Word tells us to do that you are doing and finding joy in doing?
Oh, so many besides reading the Word!
Romans 12:9-13, doing good to others, practicing hospitality
Hebrews 10 fellowship among believers
Matthew 28 19-20 discipling others
Dee, this is a great question for me. Richard is “retiring” next month, and I am fully retiring after part-time work for the last three years. He and I have been talking much lately about where and how we could spend time. Wouldn’t you know? He said to me, “Do what gives you joy!” Aahhh…The three above are what I am thinking of.
. 9. What are some things that He tells us to do that you need prayer to do?
Sharing the gospel with others confidently.
10. Maggie talked about the impact of the parable of the two builders, one who built on sand and one on rock. Both heard the Word, so what was the difference?
What is the foundation? And how do I continue after the foundation is laid?
11. What do you think of Maggie’s faith and journaling?
I love Maggie’s faith and how she takes God at His Word. I wish I were more consistent with journaling and tracking answers to prayers.
12. What stands out to you from Maggie’s story? How did you like the 1 to 10 method of presenting the gospel? What stands out to me about her story of the trip to the lake and baptism is that she is intentionally with a group who all want the same thing- to share the gospel. They have a mission and they have each other. I believe this is much more effective in a group setting where you have one another versus I’m going to the grocery store and who can I share the gospel with? Right? Our day to day should involve encounters with people where we share our Light in some way. Staying focused on this and not my circumstances is challenging. Also, in a group setting I find I have more courage. Courage to face the difficult and to share my hope. Maggie’s story also is inspired by her very inspiring story of overcoming cancer and being spurred on by scripture with a purpose to share the gospel. I like the 1-10 method as it brings focus on eternity. I don’t mind just asking why do you think you will go to heaven as that answer tells so much but it gets tricky to help people think differently. Not everyone wants to have that conversation. There is pain and raw emotion standing in the way which must be dealt with.
13. Challenge: Using Ephesians 3:20, make your request in accordance with His Word and Spirit, and be ready to report next week. So this is interesting as the assignment comes ahead of the shower where I will have a captive audience who needs the gospel. Boy. Nothing like a little pressure. I have a journal where I prayed for my future DIL’s parents specifically on January 9 this year. I was in small group doing a bible study on leveraging my life for the gospel. I prayed for an opportunity to reach out to them and that my heart would be broken for their need for the gospel. Sometimes a person can share the gospel with someone without a relationship first, but most of the time a relationship is necessary. We had them over for lunch after our son and his fiancé joined our church. It was definitely awkward but it was good and we purposely had conversation. She expressed gratitude that her daughter could join our family and she wished her family was like ours. She shared about their dysfunctional home and marriage. These are times I don’t know what to say. She claims anxiety keeps her home and makes it hard to go to church, etc. I guess my prayer would be for the words/scripture that the Lord would have me share. I don’t know what that is yet. My fears come from thinking it depends on me. The lies are I can’t remember the scriptures and will not know what to say. I pray the Holy Spirit will make me bold and confident and give me exactly what they need to hear. I pray that I can make more connections with her family and that they would see the love of Christ in my family. I will have most of my daughters there, only 2 will be missing. So 5 daughters who love the Lord will be present and I can ask them to pray with me to impact this family who desperately need the gospel. I pray also that my daughters will have their hearts broken for this need as I truly believe we must see the need and desire to share. Also, praying the Lord will give me time and show me exactly what to say to impact their hearts for the gospel and give them hope in their situation. I pray against the ideas we have in our heads of not wanting to get involved with people who have such high needs and problems. I pray the Lord would show us he can do all things and change lives through Christ.
I do think it helps to have partners in evangelism — two by two. Dinner parties. But just dropping a word in one on one can lead to more. Maggie said if they ask me what I did this weekend I tell them I went to church or to my Run with Christ meeting. 🙂
Thursday/Friday: Ruined for An Ordinary Life
12. What stands out to you from Maggie’s story? How did you like the 1 to 10 method of presenting the gospel?
—The Baptisms. How sweet of God to orchestrate two baptisms from their group. I personally am always blessed when I attend a baptism of someone wanting to profess and be identified with Christ. I feel encouraged by seeing baptisms.
Many years ago at one of the churches we attended they used the Kennedy Evangelism Explosion Model for outreach to our community. My husband was an active participant on a team and I was a prayer partner to that ministry. I think it is a good question to use as a springboard into spiritual conversations. She obviously used it well to share her own testimony in a non threatening and non argumentative way. It leaves the Holy Spirit the freedom to work in someone’s thought process and their heart.
13. Challenge: Using Ephesians 3:20, make your request in accordance with His Word and Spirit, and be ready to report next week.
—Well this is definitely a challenge to discern a request and have it be according to His Word and His Spirit. We certainly don’t have a name it and claim it mindset but I think we are more in danger of thinking our God is too small. Th voices of our culture have tried hard to eliminate God from our conversations and in the practice of our beliefs. The verse reminds us that He is able to do exceeding abundantly above what we ask or think.
As I shared on Tuesday we are praying for and waiting on God to sell Tyce & Bethany’s house. And I have asked Him that in the process it will truly glorify Him.
I am asking that it sells before they have to begin paying on two loans. I’m not sure of the time frame on that but we all know He could sell it tomorrow and I just ask that it will be very soon. Within the week would be amazing.
8. What are some things God’s Word tells us to do that you are doing and finding joy in doing?We are to trust in Jesus. Seek first His Kingdom.(Matt 6:33) . Love God and Jesus above all else. We are to read God’s Word. We are to live out His Word in giving thanks, trusting Him, loving others as He loved us, Praying and forgiving. Putting God and His kingdom first in all aspects of life; being involved in church, Bible study, generous with the gifts God has given us. So important is sharing God’s Word with others. I love being in God’s Word daily. I love listening to sermons, from my Seattle church and others.(love Tim Keller still and John Piper) I have been on a new learning curve, in a new part of the country, and I am so thankful that I am connecting with some ladies at our church. I am volunteering with Samaritan’s Purse and Operation Christmas Child and the ladies are lovely.This blog group is so wonderful. It is such a huge blessing in my life. I love the interactions and sharing of our lives, our ideas, hopes, joys and prayer requests. I love talking with and praying for my grandchildren. I exchange prayers and scripture via text and phone with friends, which add joy to each day.
9. What are some things that He tells us to do that you need prayer to do?
I need to let go and just trust Jesus, instead of fretting and getting frustrated about small things. I know who has my future and I need to get on the back seat.😊
10. Maggie talked about the impact of the parable of the two builders, one who built on sand and one on rock. Both heard the Word, so what was the difference? The wise man built on the rock ~ he relied on and trusted God; the one who built on the sand, relied on his own strength.
11. What do you think of Maggie’s faith and journaling?I love Maggie’s faith and courage. I love reading her journal entry and how God did so much more than she could imagine. I love my prayer journal, but I am not good at journaling daily. I write down prayer requests and the dates they are answered. And include certain scriptures with requests or answers…or even in my Bible margins. Maggie’s story is such an inspiration and she is living out her faith so beautifully.
I think sometimes we make journaling to hard. Just sharing one thing we are thankful for the day before and one thing we hope for that day is pretty easy.
I think this is a great plan, thank you Dee. It will be easy to make that a part of my morning routine. 🙏
12. What stands out to you from Maggie’s story? How did you like the 1 to 10 method of presenting the gospel?
The boldness of the group to speak to the bachelor party group about Christ stands out to me. I loved the 1-10 model! It is perfect. I would need to know more though. What if someone rates themselves a 3? How do you respond to that? I never know where to start when sharing the “Gospel.” Jesus died for us, because we are sinners and He wanted us to be in heaven with Him? What do I say?
I think that’s when you ask a follow-up question like “Why would you just rate yourself a 3?”
Good idea!
Wednesday: Experiencing His Love Through Obedience and Faith
8. What are some things God’s Word tells us to do that you are doing and finding joy in doing? – He tells us to pray for one another. It’s a bit scary for me to do that, but I love seeing answers to the prayers I pray. He tells us to spread the gospel; I’ve started doing that by recording devotionals and then sending them to a devotional blog I follow. This was really out of my comfort zone, but I’ve done two already and it’s getting easier each time.
9. What are some things that He tells us to do that you need prayer to do? – Showing love to everyone is my big struggle. I can be nice without any problems but to actual see people as Jesus sees them isn’t always the first thing I see.
10. Maggie talked about the impact of the parable of the two builders, one who built on sand and one on rock. Both heard the Word, so what was the difference? – the difference was where they placed their trust. One heeded the words and followed them, took them to heart, the other didn’t think he needed to listen and did things his own way. Without God in our plans, they will be washed away with the raging waters.
11. What do you think of Maggie’s faith and journaling? – I’ve never been one to journal, but earlier this year a woman from church gave me a gift of a journal and a red pen. I looked at her because I was unsure of what she was doing. It wasn’t my birthday or anything. But she told me what she does and how writing her prayer requests in the journal and then writing the date and a brief answer in red helps her see how God answered. She can flip back through the pages and see the words in red and know that God was with her and heard her. I started, but fell away from it, but just this morning I felt like I needed to do that again. God is so funny on how he gets our attention. 🙂 I love seeing this young woman have so much faith and trust in God. What a blessing she is to everyone that knows her.
Thursday/Friday: Ruined for An Ordinary Life
12. What stands out to you from Maggie’s story? How did you like the 1 to 10 method of presenting the gospel? – Maggie’s love for Jesus and all that He did for his is evident on how she spreads the good news. She doesn’t seem to be afraid at all and doesn’t hold back. She is definitely walking out her faith. I don’t see anything wrong with the 1-10 approach. It’s a way to get the door open and the conversation started. I think most people just believe that because they are a good person they will be going to heaven. But sadly, that is not the case. She got at least two of these men to think about what she said and came back the next day to be baptized. That’s amazing. God saw her obedience and doubled the blessing when he answered her prayer of seeing one person baptized. WOW!
13. Challenge: Using Ephesians 3:20, make your request in accordance with His Word and Spirit, and be ready to report next week. – Challenge accepted!
Great, Julie!
I love this, Julie: Maggie’s love for Jesus and all that He did for his is evident on how she spreads the good news. She doesn’t seem to be afraid at all and doesn’t hold back.
1. What stands out to you from Maggie’s story? How did you like the 1 to 10 method of presenting the gospel?
I am glad you brought the 1-10 method, Dee. I believe how we present the gospel can make all the difference. And I love the certainty with which Maggie shared the gospel with a confident 10! Such an excellent segue!
13. Challenge: Using Ephesians 3:20, make your request in accordance with His Word and Spirit, and be ready to report next week.
This challenge came at the most opportune time for my discouraged soul. Praying Ephesians 3:20 and will report next week.
Wonderful, Bing!
12. What stands out to you from Maggie’s story? How did you like the 1 to 10 method of presenting the gospel?I love Maggie’s heart so desiring to tell others of the joy she has found in Jesus. I love the end of her prayer where she prays: “Help me not to minimize You.” And God never fails to do more than we ask! How I need to be more like Maggie! I love the 1 to 10 method of starting a discussion. I find that I need to follow the Lord’s leading on the right time and the right words.
13. Challenge: Using Ephesians 3:20, make your request in accordance with His Word and Spirit, and be ready to report next week.
I am praying for a couple of requests using Ephesians 3:20. I have already had a partial answer to both. I am also praying this verse for Chris, for her shower conversations on Sunday. How I pray that the Lord will give her His perfect words to touch the hearts of the guests, in His and perfect beautiful way.
Saturday:
1. What is your take-a-way and why?
The discussion about baptism stood out to me. Thankful for the new things I have learned about the different views and the focus on Scriptures.
Maggie’s story stood out to me as well. What a blessing she is and an encouragement to me on how to share the gospel fittingly and lovingly. I send my love and appreciation to her, Dee!