I am so glad to be looking at these hard sayings, together, for they are, indeed challenging. I have misinterpreted this one in the past, so it is good to find out what it really means if we can!
There was a time when I thought it meant that we should let secular people do secular work and that as believers, we should do the Kingdom work. I remember challenging my son John when he wanted to become an engineer who designed “the hardest bridges in the world,” I asked:
“How is that going to advance the Kingdom?”
He said, “I don’t know, Mom, but I know God made me awfully good at it.”
Likewise, I had a conversation with my favorite professor at Covenant Seminary that clarified this for me. Jerram Barrs told me: “There is not a separation between secular and sacred work, for all honest and pure work can be done to the glory of God. He pictured a farmer lifting his grain up before God, both in thanksgiving and as an offering to a hungry world.”
So, what does Jesus mean? Are we not to give our parents a proper burial? No — that’s wrong too, for Scripture doesn’t contradict Scripture, and we are to honor our parents.
Let’s look at this together! The sermon is free, but because it isn’t in podcast form, you still have to go through the website to get it.
https://gospelinlife.com/downloads/let-the-dead-bury-their-dead-6239/d
God Hunt Sunday:
- How have you experienced the presence or power of God in that last week?
- What have you thought, if anything, that the phrase “let the dead bury their dead” meant in the past?
Monday: The Context
3. Read Luke 9:51-56
A. In verse 51, what days were nearing, and what does this mean?
B. What phrase is repeated in verses 51 and 53? What does this mean?
C. How did the Samaritans treat Jesus and what did James and John want to do?
D. What does Jesus do, and why do you think?
E. Why do you think rejection doesn’t deter Jesus from going to Jerusalem?
F. Does rejection deter you from sharing Christ or any other thing we are called to do?
4. Darrell Bock writes: In his rebuke, Jesus is not rebuking the disciples’ message, but their timing and spirit.” What do you think Bock means? (Also — some translations, such as New King James Version, add what Jesus said in his rebuke — though that may not have been in the original translations. Check it out! Thoughts?)
Tuesday: The Passage
5. Read Luke 9:57- 62
A. What does the first man say and how does Jesus respond? (57-58) In light of the context, what do you think Jesus is telling him?
B. What does the second man say and how does Jesus respond? (59-60)
C. What does the third man say and how does Jesus respond? (61-62)
D. What common thread is seen first in the three men and then in the three responses from Jesus?
6. Listen to Keller’s introductory remarks until he gets into the first man.
A. How does Jesus act differently than most “recruiters?”
B. Many think of Christianity as moral improvement — what is Jesus talking about?
C. What else stood out to you?
Wednesday: First Man
7. Keller said this man was an idealist — why, do you think?
8. When you were presented with the gospel, were you also told that this life could be hard? Do you do that when you present the gospel?
9. How has it been harder or easier than you expected?
Thursday: Second Man
10. Whom do you see taking the initiation with the 2nd man? Thoughts?
11. What insight does Keller give on “let me go bury my father?”
12. This is where we get the hard saying “let the dead bury their dead.” What do you think, in light of all you’ve learned so far, that it means?
13. I had an “if only” when my sister shared Christ with me when I asked her if I’d have to give up building a house on the ocean. She responded with Matthew 16:25, which I believe is similar to these responses of Christ, and I’m grateful she did. Thoughts or application?
Friday: Third Man
14. Keller says both the 2nd and 3rd men are hesitant because they don’t understand what?
15. What point was Keller making with Augustine’s quote?
16. Keller compared “Let the dead bury the dead” to “if anything is more important than God, it will kill you.” What is he saying?
17. What is the point of the plow metaphor?
18. What two options did Keller end with?
Saturday: So What?
19. How is God asking you to apply this? Take time.
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God Hunt Sunday:
How have you experienced the presence or power of God in that last week?
There is a bit of rambling here 🥴
I had a thought this morning that made me wonder if some are hesitant to share on this blog their God Hunts. Feeling perhaps they didn’t have a significant “experience” worth sharing.
What made me wonder is that as I looked back over my week there were seemingly no “significant” events.
I came to the conclusion my life was blessed with relative calm and quiet. That is no small thing. I consider it a gift. Now granted all around me in this world even in my own personal world there is trouble and chaos happening. I have precious family and friends suffering hard things. Very hard things quietly and the prayer needs are immense. Some days it is hard to make sense of it but prayer comes as the only appropriate and applicable response to the needs. As I consider last week’s study and the sermon by Keller to take the Kingdom of Heaven by force or as his sermon was titled “The Violent Bear It Away” it was challenging to think about that as being applied to my own Spiritual walk with the Lord. How do I live that out. I don’t feel like I am being very forceful or violent.
I was encouraged by the Friday Prayer Challenge and how the Lord directed me in the quietness of that time to the Scripture and it’s application to my life personally. The one main verse I drew from was “This is what the Sovereign Lord, the Holy One of Israel, says: “In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength,…….. Isaiah 30:15 NIV
It doesn’t exactly sound like a mandate to use force and be violent 😊 but Keller made it clear that the work of prayer requires force, a violence of sorts and I find that to be true. The first exhortation in the verse is repentance. I don’t find that exactly the easiest to do either. Turning away from old habits of sin takes some real determination and trust in God. Not just in a works oriented way but in a true change of heart and attitudes.
So all that to say I am still chewing on the meat of last week’s teaching for my life personally and am experiencing God’s leading and teaching in some mundane but hopefully deep rooting ways.
With Dee’s leading this study and our sweet sister in Christ Missy sharing her life’s story and transparent struggles it has been a rewarding time of learning.
What have you thought, if anything, that the phrase “let the dead bury their dead” meant in the past?
I somewhere had come to the conclusion that the person asking the question was not actually asking
to go back and bury their deceased mother or father but was wanting to hang onto the life they had and be around to get their inheritance. In other words they were still immeshed in their current lifestyle and not ready for the radical commitment of following Christ unhampered by their own interests. I look forward to gleaning what “let the dead bury their dead” really means.
I love your meaningful thoughts, Bev. Last week also left me with much to ponder. I did not finish the last two days, but I certainly have felt challenged and encouraged by Tim Keller’s sermon. The prayer challenge prompted a sweet talk with a young friend yesterday. I loved the statement by Keller about See Jesus, argue with yourself, you don’t get peace passively; talk to your heart and listen. I will post my sensing the power of the presence of God this week! Thank you for prompting us to do that more! and I love the verse you posted: “This is what the Sovereign Lord, the Holy One of Israel, says: “In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength,…….. Isaiah 30:15 NIV
Patti — will look forward to that post!
It truly is a God hunt to have a peaceful week. And I absolutely loved what you shared about your concentrated time in prayer with the Lord last week, Bev.
God Hunt Sunday:
How have you experienced the presence or power of God in that last week? I returned from a long visit to family in California, just the miracle of travel and no flight problems, like I hear about all the time! Praise the Lord for a safe, uneventful flight home!
What have you thought, if anything, that the phrase “let the dead bury their dead” meant in the past? I have always thought this means to prioritize your mission, stay focused on the end goal eventhough life/death happens every day.
Your God hunt parallels Bev — a peaceful “uneventful” week.
God Hunt Sunday:
1. How have you experienced the presence or power of God in that last week?
Someone once said, “ there is nothing magical about the verses and the words in the Bible, but there is power in them BECAUSE they are God’s words.” We have talked here about Scripture being radioactive. In the past, they have been radioactive for me at various times and places. But more and more recently, as I spend more time in the Word, everything seems to be radioactive. Like what I am reading speaks directly to what I need or am concerned about. The calling on God and waiting on Him. Seeing circumstances from more of His perspective than mine, and then experiencing the joy of His companionship along the way. I long for my loved ones and others to share this joy! I am so thankful!
It is not that God all of a sudden has given me everything I have asked for. But the pervading peace and quiet like some of you ladies have shared here is my experience, too. Some challenging circumstances haven’t changed but I am at peace.
2. What have you thought, if anything, that the phrase “let the dead bury their dead” meant in the past?
I am not really sure what this hard saying meant. I was struck though by the word “first”-suffer me first to bury my father. Does this mean that other things, in this case, his father or family came first before he can follow Jesus? Is Jesus pointing out his skewed priorities? Jesus is not uncaring; He cared for his mother, Mary, and delegated her care to John while He was hanging on the cross Jesus cares for who we love and care for, but He must be first in our lives.
Such a good post, Bing, and such good questions to get us started.
Bing, I always look forward to your God Hunts…I love this, . “But more and more recently, as I spend more time in the Word, everything seems to be radioactive. Like what I am reading speaks directly to what I need or am concerned about. The calling on God and waiting on Him. Seeing circumstances from more of His perspective than mine, and then experiencing the joy of His companionship along the way.”
Sunday
1. How have you experienced the presence or power of God in that last week?
God revealed to me my idol of control…ugh! I don’t know how y’all feel when it seems a loved one is being used, but I had that happen with my husband and God showed me that trusting in Him to take control instead of me was the correct road to take. I wrestled with God in my prayer time, which included trying to justify my feelings and telling Him my husband needed my defending! I came across this verse in Hosea 14:8, “O Israel, (Sharon) stay away from idols (idol of control)! I am the one who answers your prayers and cares for you (He also cares for my husband). I am like a tree that is always green; all your fruit comes from me.”Hosea 14:8
The awesome part is, God did answer my prayers, He did such a better job than I would of and I ask myself, why am I so surprised? Fruit that comes through the Spirit is love, joy, peace, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, perseverance, kindness and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23)…so much better than the fruit my flesh wanted to produce!! And I continue to grow…sigh!
2. What have you thought, if anything, that the phrase “let the dead bury their dead” meant in the past?
I always thought this was a harsh response from Jesus but I think it’s more loving of Him as He wants our total devotion to Him. I wonder if “let the dead bury the dead” is symbolic of spiritual death?
That Hosea verse is so good — with your testimony!
And another good question to get us going?
Jim and I are reading through the Bible chronologically and that verse stood out…it was definitely radioactive and God knew I needed it.
Sharon, A good testimony of walking and praying through a hard situation of your battle with the control idol. I ink most of us can identify with that one. It is just an encouragement to hear you share.
Thank you Bev, I related to your post about not always having something of significance to share…a peaceful God-filled week is a blessing!
Oh, Sharon! I love this verse! Thank you for sharing it! I needed that this week! I have had a couple of unspoken prayers for a long time and yesterday, one of them was suddenly answered in a quiet, but sure way! I immediately thought ~ He answered my prayer that I had almost forgotten! And I felt this voice in my heart say~ everything in His time….and His way. This verse gives me goosebumps!
So glad that you heard His voice, allowing you to give Him the praise for answered prayer!
1. How have you experienced the presence or power of God in that last week?
Oh my gosh! Being at the beach was so restful for me this last week! The weather was superb, the waves were big and fun, the water was just the right temperature and the kids had a blast! Truly the Lord was with us. Thank You Lord for the beautiful Earth on which we live!
2. What have you thought, if anything, that the phrase “let the dead bury their dead” meant in the past?
I haven’t really considered this verse much in the past. I read the NLT version and it said the “spiritually dead” could go bury their dead. But it still seems harsh that the man couldn’t go bury his dad….
So glad for your wonderful break, Laura!
Great God Hunt Laura…the ocean is such an amazing creation of our God…so relaxing!
Monday: The Context
3. Read Luke 9:51-56
A. In verse 51, what days were nearing, and what does this mean?
—The time for Jesus to suffer and die and be raised from the dead.
He would soon accomplish what God had sent him to do to obtain our salvation and then he would return to his Father in Heaven and his former glory.
B. What phrase is repeated in verses 51 and 53? What does this mean?
— “he set his face to go to Jerusalem”
He was intent upon going to Jerusalem and would not be dissuaded from going.
C. How did the Samaritans treat Jesus and what did James and John want to do?
—The Samaritans rejected and refused any hospitality to him so James and John were ready to execute judgement on them and call down fire from Heaven to destroy them.
D. What does Jesus do, and why do you think?
—He moved on to another village. I think he wasn’t going to be distracted by the differences between the Jews and the Samaritans. He was on a mission. His ultimate mission.
E. Why do you think rejection doesn’t deter Jesus from going to Jerusalem?
—Jesus had already met with rejection and was facing the ultimate rejection by the Jewish leadership.
Jerusalem was where it all had to take place. His focus was on God’s plan for the ages.
F. Does rejection deter you from sharing Christ or any other thing we are called to do?
—Rejection in any form is hard to take. It strikes at your core worth. In those situations I’m not sure it is sharing Christ as much as being like Christ that is required.
Does rejection deter me? I think at times it has. I definitely have experienced deep discouragement from it. Unfortunately I think at other times it has fueled me to perhaps have the spirit of James and John.
4. Darrell Bock writes: In his rebuke, Jesus is not rebuking the disciples’ message, but their timing and spirit.” What do you think Bock means?
—The disciples still didn’t understand what Jesus had come to do.
Back in verse 22 Jesus had told them
“The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.” And again in verse 44
“Let these words sink into your ears: The Son of Man is about to be delivered into the hands of men.”
But they were wanting a deliverer from the rule of Rome and a king who would take charge and set up the Kingdom of God.
—Their timing was premature. As to their manner of spirit it was one of wanting to see judgement executed. Jesus was coming to make the way of salvation possible for mankind. He was about saving people.
(Also — some translations, such as New King James Version, add what Jesus said in his rebuke — though that may not have been in the original translations. Check it out! Thoughts?)
“But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.”
—this rebuke reflects the Spirit of Christ and his mission.
This comment from Bev made me smile:
Unfortunately, I think at other times it has fueled me to perhaps have the spirit of James and John.
1.How have you experienced the presence or power of God in that last week?
We had a lovely visited with a former student, who is a 26 year old young man. He is a college graduate, who is so talented in so many areas, yet he is wanting guidance and prayer in deciding which path to take in his career. He is an amazing pianist and creative composer, he loves teaching piano, drama, music and VBS. He is currently a youth director at a church, piano teacher, Zumba teacher and starting a new teaching job at a Christian school. He is praying about which path he should following that would best advance the Kingdom of God. He is very selective in dating and wants God’s will for everything in his life. I was in tears a few times during our visit, because I was so touched by his heart for God. Such a blessing! Thank you Lord!
2.What have you thought, if anything, that the phrase “let the dead bury their dead” meant in the past?
I thought it referred to leaving behind those who are unbelievers to follow Jesus. Leaving the spiritually dead to take care of the deceased? I am not sure what I think! I will listen to the sermon!
You and Ron have influenced so many students. Just wait til heaven to see!
ps: I forgot to mention that in our conversation with our young friend, he and I were talking about the importance of quiet time with God. Jon’s precious mom and I were in Bible study together at our church and I remember how sweetly she encouraged her children to pray about everything and the importance of prayer and quiet time. I told Jon about our lesson this past week and how I need to find a quiet spot away from everything and just be still, reflect, read the Word and pray. He has such a busy schedule, yet he realizes the importance of time alone with Jesus. He already had found some ideas for doing this and it was so heartwarming to have such a deep and meaningful conversation with this young man. I know that God has some amazing plans for his life. How I thank God for him and his heart for God. We share a favorite verse: Psalm 46:10 Be still and know that I am God. I like the NASB version: Cease striving and know that I am God; I will be exalted among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth.
Love, love, love this Patti!! Such sweet fellowship when it’s centered on our precious Lord! Will be praying for God’s guidance in this young man’s life…so much to offer with his talents. 😊
3. Read Luke 9:51-56
A. In verse 51, what days were nearing, and what does this mean?
The days when He would be murdered, buried, and then rise to heaven. The NLT says he “resolutely” set off for Jerusalem. It was something He knew He had to do but didn’t necessarily want to do it.
B. What phrase is repeated in verses 51 and 53? What does this mean?
He was going to Jerusalem; they knew He was a Jew. They didn’t like Jews.
C. How did the Samaritans treat Jesus and what did James and John want to do?
They dissed Him. James and John wanted to burn them up.
D. What does Jesus do, and why do you think?
Jesus says no and moved on. He didn’t have time at that point to deal with them (?). He needed to catch as many fish as He possibly could. They were going to be a tough crowd!
E. Why do you think rejection doesn’t deter Jesus from going to Jerusalem?
He had the plan, He was the plan God had for all. No need to even consider what humans thought really.
F. Does rejection deter you from sharing Christ or any other thing we are called to do?
Honestly, yes. I have an event that might get rejected in a week or so. I’ve told how we are having our sons recreation of the court wedding he had in Croatia already. Well, I really wanted it blessed by God, so I found a renewal ceremony that his godfather is going to read. I was planning to send our son the script, but had been praying on how I should present it and how he would receive it. Something was telling me to wait until he gets here to discuss it. He has not been to church in 15 years. I’m not sure how he even feels about God. I think he wants to respect other cultures and their views too. I feel like he needs to respect his own family as well. I am taking a HUGE leap of faith and hoping that he doesn’t reject me/us/God. If he does then I am not sure how I will take it. I guess this scripture is meant for me, for this time…what do I say? How do I act? This is truly one of the hardest things I have ever done. Please pray that he accepts the 10 minutes he will have to “endure” to honor his family. Thank you in advance!
So wise to wait and discuss it first! Will pray!
Oh, Laura! I will pray that he wants to honor God and your family in this renewal ceremony. Lord, open this young man’s heart to You, Father.
God Hunt Sunday:
1.How have you experienced the presence or power of God in that last week? – The town just next to ours had a weeklong fun fest with different activities all week and various food vendors all week. And starting Thursday there were concert that you could attend. We went to see Zach Williams with Shane and Shane as the opener and just to see the amount of people there enjoying great Christian music. The generosity of strangers who become friends is just amazing to me. We are in NE Tennessee and just a simple hello and a handshake turns in to a hug as a new friend is found.
2. What have you thought, if anything, that the phrase “let the dead bury their dead” meant in the past? – I thought it meant that there is nothing we can with things in the past, they are already done and over so not to waste our time dwelling on them??
Monday
3. Read Luke 9:51-56
A. In verse 51, what days were nearing, and what does this mean?
The time for Him to be taken to heaven was approaching. His crucifixion and resurrection was close to being fulfilled.
B. What phrase is repeated in verses 51 and 53?
“Determined to go to Jerusalem.” “He was traveling toward Jerusalem.”
What does this mean?
His face was set like flint to fulfill His purpose, which was to die for the sins of the world and this would take place in Jerusalem.
C. How did the Samaritans treat Jesus and what did James and John want to do?
They didn’t welcome Him because He was traveling towards Jerusalem. They wanted to command a fire to come down from heaven and destroy the Samaritan people.
D. What does Jesus do, and why do you think?
He rebuked them. Jesus was on His way to Jerusalem to die and that included for the Samaritan’s…why would He destroy people He was going to die for when His purpose was to save them?
E. Why do you think rejection doesn’t deter Jesus from going to Jerusalem?
He was all about doing the Father’s will and nothing would get in the way.
F. Does rejection deter you from sharing Christ or any other thing we are called to do?
Of course, I don’t want to be rejected, but a wise man (my Dad) once told me…”remember, they’re not rejecting you but Christ. Just give them the truth of the gospel and love them regardless of how they respond.”
4. Darrell Bock writes: In his rebuke, Jesus is not rebuking the disciples’ message, but their timing and spirit.” What do you think Bock means?
I think he means that the time to bring destruction on the Samaritan people was off due to what His purpose in going to Jerusalem was and because their motive in doing so was retaliation which was not the message of Christ.
(Also — some translations, such as New King James Version, add what Jesus said in his rebuke — though that may not have been in the original translations. Check it out! Thoughts?)
I think it goes along with the point Bock is making.
Appreciated your answer to 4, Sharon. What are your thoughts on words that were not in the original translations?
At the end of verse 54 it says, “even as Elias did?” This is in the KJV, but none of the others. When speaking of Elias He is talking about Elijah. To me it’s like the words of rebuke were added so the reader would understand that Christ’s ministry was different from Elijah’s, not that He was putting down Elijah’s ministry, as he did what he was called to do. Christ’s response was one of grace rather than destruction. Elijah’s ministry can’t be compared to the ministry of Christ as James and John were trying to do. Jesus didn’t give James and John the nickname, “sons of thunder” for no reason😜. Just my thoughts.
Monday: The Context
3. Read Luke 9:51-56
A. In verse 51, what days were nearing, and what does this mean? – The days that were approaching were those that would take Jesus up to Heaven. I think it saying that the time for Jesus to bring others to him was running out. The time for them to accept him was close to being too late.
B. What phrase is repeated in verses 51 and 53? What does this mean? – Jesus was heading to Jerusalem is repeated in both versus. I think they want to make sure everyone knows where Jesus was heading, that it was important to know his destination.
C. How did the Samaritans treat Jesus and what did James and John want to do? – The Samaritans did not welcome him because they knew he was heading to Jerusalem. James and John wanted to throw fire down on them for not accepting and welcoming Jesus.
D. What does Jesus do, and why do you think? – Jesus turns to them and rebukes them. I’m thinking that he did this because they were acting just like the Samaritans and not accepting them or their beliefs. They were not showing love and kindness.
E. Why do you think rejection doesn’t deter Jesus from going to Jerusalem? – He knew the plan that was set before him and that his Father was with him as he went. I think he knew that not everyone would accept him and that was ok. As long as he showed love and kindness and planted the seeds, he did what his Father brought him to earth to do.
F. Does rejection deter you from sharing Christ or any other thing we are called to do? – It’s not easy for me to do, I’m not a fan of rejection, but I tend to step back and stay quiet when I see people acting against what I believe. I hold back for fear of not know how to respond back to them in a way that will make them stop and think. This is something that I am working on to just put it out there and allow God to use the words that come out of my mouth.
4. Darrell Bock writes: In his rebuke, Jesus is not rebuking the disciples’ message, but their timing and spirit.” What do you think Bock means? (Also — some translations, such as New King James Version, add what Jesus said in his rebuke — though that may not have been in the original translations. Check it out! Thoughts?) – Could this mean that if they would have brought fire down because of the response to Jesus the Samaritans would never had a chance to make the change and accept Jesus and his teaching. The time for them to accept him was not at that point, but the kindness and love that Jesus showed to them was in a sense planting a seed for them to think about the reaction from Jesus. To hopefully draw them in to awe and wonder of who Jesus really is.
Good thoughts on 4. Very well could have been!
Julie-I really appreciate your honesty to “F” and I relate. It is so hard to not let fear of man get in the way!
3. Read Luke 9:51-56 A. In verse 51, what days were nearing, and what does this mean?
The day for Jesus to be taken up.
B. What phrase is repeated in verses 51 and 53? What does this mean?
His face was set toward Jerusalem. He was looking to the future Kingdom.
C. How did the Samaritans treat Jesus and what did James and John want to do?
They did not receive Him and James and John asked if they should send fire down on them.
D. What does Jesus do, and why do you think?
Jesus rebuked them for saying this, and they went on to another village. It was not the time for judgment.
E. Why do you think rejection doesn’t deter Jesus from going to Jerusalem?
Jesus’ eyes are set on what lies ahead, “the joy set before Him”-the saving of our souls.
F. Does rejection deter you from sharing Christ or any other thing we are called to do?
Rejection has been the very thing to cripple me in many ways lately. Yet, God is working and teaching me more and more to fight against it and place my hope in my future grace.
4. Darrell Bock writes: In his rebuke, Jesus is not rebuking the disciples’ message, but their timing and spirit.” What do you think Bock means?
One day all who reject Christ will be judged. But that was not the time.
5. Read Luke 9:57- 62 A. What does the first man say and how does Jesus respond? (57-58) In light of the context, what do you think Jesus is telling him?
The man says: “I will follow you wherever you go.”
Jesus responds that He has no home. I think He means that He was not made to stay in this world.
B. What does the second man say and how does Jesus respond? (59-60)
The 2nd man asks to go and bury his father first and Jesus says ‘leave the dead to bury their own dead’.
C. What does the third man say and how does Jesus respond? (61-62)
The 3rd man says: “I will follow you, Lord, but let me first say farewell to those at my home.”
Jesus responds: “No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God.”
D. What common thread is seen first in the three men and then in the three responses from Jesus?
Common thread-a willingness to follow, with a condition (not really seen in the 1st, but implied)
Jesus’ response is that following Him means forsaking other loves. He must be greater than comfort or other relationships, work, or reputation. Jesus alone.
6. Listen to Keller’s introductory remarks until he gets into the first man. A. How does Jesus act differently than most “recruiters?”
People say they want to join-He says ‘get back’. He’s harsh, and wants them to think, consider the cost. He doesn’t try to make it attractive to buy into the Kingdom. Jesus continually surprises, when we think He’d be easy, He’s harsh. When we think He should be harsh, He’s gentle, accepting. With these men, they do not understand what they are asking. They do not understand what it means to follow Jesus.
B. Many think of Christianity as moral improvement — what is Jesus talking about?
To be a follower of Christ is to enter the Kingdom. In every case, the men say they want to follow and Jesus keeps responding with talking about the Kingdom. Jesus is pointing out that being a Christian is not doctrinal improvement, it is a change in status and nature, it is to cross a border. Improvement does not get you from one kingdom to one another, Jesus is talking about a transition from one realm into a completely new realm.
C. What else stood out to you?
We will live without death one Day, there is a Kingdom coming greater than all the fairy tales. And the moment I trust Jesus as my Savior on this side, the power of that Future Age comes into my life now, it is partial, but it is real.
Lizzy — what thoughts do you have on how the 1st and 3rd man said they would follow Jesus but Jesus initiated the second man by asking him to follow him? Just curious.
7. Keller said this man was an idealist — why, do you think?
He doesn’t understand that it won’t be easy. He doesn’t place conditions, he says he will follow no matter what. He’s not committed to Christ, he’s committed to commitment. He assumes ‘if you do things right’ everything will be good. Idealist are tempted by the Kingdom of God. But Jesus reminds the man of Jesus’ own life—none of the human success. The Kingdom of Heaven is not what this man is thinking it is.
8. When you were presented with the gospel, were you also told that this life could be hard? Do you do that when you present the gospel?
It’s hard for me to place when I heard the Gospel. I remember being 7 and I had a small, white Stations of the Cross book with pictures of Jesus and the Crucifixion, and I remember weeping over it in my bed, some small part of me aware of what He did for me. I have been reflecting a lot on y life growing up lately and it was hard. Alcoholism and severe depression in my parents, a lot of pain and brokenness. But I had Jesus then, so I think in a way I always knew life is hard. As I’ve been processing and trying to let God heal old wounds, I realize I have never been one to expect much, or think I deserve much. I’m a little too far that direction and need to grow in the area of believing not only do I have a future Hope, but I have hope for today. As Keller said the power of the Kingdom is partially here for us now.
9. How has it been harder or easier than you expected?
Even though I said I don’t expect much, these last few years have been much harder than anything I would have imagined. Yet, I know Him more because of it and I do believe there is a special “chosenness” in suffering, for it is like Christ to suffer. Today I meditated on Psalm 42 and the reminder to speak truth to my soul. Let His words be louder than others in my life and louder than my own which are truly the harshest ones. “Put your hope in God, for I will yet praise Him, my Savior and my God.”
So love Lizzy’s testimony here:
It’s hard for me to place when I heard the Gospel. I remember being 7 and I had a small, white Stations of the Cross book with pictures of Jesus and the Crucifixion, and I remember weeping over it in my bed, some small part of me aware of what He did for me. I have been reflecting a lot on y life growing up lately and it was hard. Alcoholism and severe depression in my parents, a lot of pain and brokenness. But I had Jesus then, so I think in a way I always knew life is hard. As I’ve been processing and trying to let God heal old wounds, I realize I have never been one to expect much, or think I deserve much. I’m a little too far that direction and need to grow in the area of believing not only do I have a future Hope, but I have hope for today. As Keller said the power of the Kingdom is partially here for us now.
9. How has it been harder or easier than you expected?
Even though I said I don’t expect much, these last few years have been much harder than anything I would have imagined. Yet, I know Him more because of it and I do believe there is a special “chosenness” in suffering, for it is like Christ to suffer. Today I meditated on Psalm 42 and the reminder to speak truth to my soul. Let His words be louder than others in my life and louder than my own which are truly the harshest ones. “Put your hope in God, for I will yet praise Him, my Savior and my God.”
Amen to Dee’s comment. This is so meaningful and so beautifully said. I am so thankful that your pain, drew you close to Him, Lizzy.
Lizzy, here is Poor Bishop Hooper’s version of Psalm 42:
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oh Laura! I love this! Thank you so much!
So beautiful. I hadn’t heard their version.
Monday: The Context
3. Read Luke 9:51-56
A. In verse 51, what days were nearing, and what does this mean? “The days were approaching for His ascension” This means that the purpose Jesus came to Earth to fulfill was near, His death, ressurection and ascension.
B. What phrase is repeated in verses 51 and 53? What does this mean? “He set His face toward Jerusalem” this means He was determined to go to Jerusalem to carry out His Father’s Will.
C. How did the Samaritans treat Jesus and what did James and John want to do? The Samaritan’s did not receive Him, because He was journeying with His face toward Jerusalem. James and John ask Jesus if they can call down fire from Heaven to consume the Samaritans.
D. What does Jesus do, and why do you think? “He turned and rebuked them [“you do not know what kind of spirit you are of; for the sone of man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them”] I think Jesus was gently trying to convince them of His true purpose. To be the final Passover Lamb.
E. Why do you think rejection doesn’t deter Jesus from going to Jerusalem? Jesus life on Earth was not about Him, He was on a mission of redemption to fulfill His Father’s Will.
F. Does rejection deter you from sharing Christ or any other thing we are called to do? Yes, sometimes it does. Having grown up in the “PC” society we have here in the US, I have been accused of being judgemental, racist, homophobic….while simply trying to share Jesus. Facebook was really bad! That is one of the reasons why I don’t do FB anymore. I need to pray first of all, before attempting to share and ask the Holy Spirit to make a way and give me wisdom and boldness to trust Him. Afterall, it is His plan.
4. Darrell Bock writes: In his rebuke, Jesus is not rebuking the disciples’ message, but their timing and spirit.” What do you think Bock means? (Also — some translations, such as New King James Version, add what Jesus said in his rebuke — though that may not have been in the original translations. Check it out…thoughts?) Maybe he means Jesus is redirecting their attitude, He came to save men, not destroy them. I think the disciples still don’t quite “get” the purpose of Jesus life and what kind of Savior He really is. They are still wanting the kind of savior they believe they need…someone to free them of Romes’ control.
You are so discerning about Jesus rebuke to James and John, Lydia.
10. What insight does Keller give on “let me go bury my father?”
This man is more concerned with his father’s approval.
11. This is where we get the hard saying “let the dead bury their dead.” What do you think, in light of all you’ve learned so far, that it means?
Let those who are spiritually dead be concerned about earthly things.
12. I had an “if only” when my sister shared Christ with me when I asked her if I’d have to give up building a house on the ocean. She responded with Matthew 16:25 which I believe is similar to these responses of Christ, and I’m grateful she did. Thoughts or application?
To follow Him is to release everything else. If our hands are full, we can’t hold His.
13. Keller says both the 2nd and 3rd man are hesitant because they don’t understand what?
They don’t understand the greatness of the Kingdom. They have conditions. They don’t understand the urgency. Jesus Christ cannot be known apart from absolute commitment. A willingness to take all conditions off of your allegiance to Him. You enter the Kingdom not by traveling but by taking the step-take off the ‘but first’ and ‘if only’. Take off all the conditions and step over into the Kingdom. They are deciding whether or not it is best for them, practical, to say yes. They are not ready to say yes unconditionally.
14. What point was Keller making with Augustine quote?
Augustine was convicted by Ambrose’s teaching about the holiness of God and said ‘o Lord, make me good, but not yet’ because he was not ready to give up his mistress. We say the same thing every time we say we want to follow Him, “but…”. We have conditions, we’re not ready.
15. Keller compared “Let the dead bury the dead” to “if anything is more important than God, it will kill you.” What is he saying?
If anything is more important to me than God, it will kill me.
16. What is the point of the plow metaphor?
If you are hand plowing a field, you cannot look back and continue to go straight. If you say you are following Jesus but constantly looking back at what you left behind, you cannot go forward. Many after they cross into the Kingdom, are always unhappy because they are suffering and they are taking the old things that were their happiness and instead of really letting them go for the Kingdom, they are longing for those things. ‘If God loves me, why…’
If having the Kingdom is not enough, you’re just trying to use Christianity to give you what you want. Don’t look back at what you left behind.
No one who loves anything more than me can keep spiritual deadness out of their life.
17. What two options did Keller end with?
You can either obey Jesus, which is very hard.
Or you can decide not to obey, which is harder.
18. How is God asking you to apply this? Take time.
“Choose this Day Whom you will serve”. It has been so hard for me to keep up here lately with work and kids and our move. But today I felt such a desperate-ness to come here that I couldn’t ignore it. I won’t share the details of what I’ve been going through lately but this lesson is evidence of His very personal love and grace, and He made sure I came here to hear it. I wouldn’t normally post all in one day, and I will ponder more this week what all I think He is saying to me. I am in a very raw and tender place these days, feeling stripped bare. But He is merciful, and ‘a bruised reed He will not break’.
I needed this lesson, of re-committing my obedience to follow. My mind has been haunted lately as I fight against shame and rejection I never imagined.This lesson grabbed hold of my downcast spirit and reminded me of the solid ground I have to stand on. Jesus is all I need, all I want. He is the One worthy of following- without condition, without an ‘if only’. I follow Him and will not look back at what I thought I had or wanted. I will follow and not look down at my seemingly empty hands, but I will look up at my true Father.
We sing this at church and the lyrics are so good for this lesson:
There is no other so sure and steady
My hope is held in your hand
When castles crumble and breath is fleeting
Upon this rock I will stand, yeah
Upon this rock I will stand, glory, glory
Glory, glory, we have no other king
But Jesus Lord of all
Raise the anthem, our loudest praises ring
We crown Him Lord of all
Your kindly rule has shattered and broken the curse of sin’s tyranny
My life is hidden ‘neath Heaven’s shadow, Your crimson flood covers me
Your crimson flood covers me, we say
Glory, glory, we have no other king
But Jesus Lord of all
Raise the anthem, our loudest praises ring
We crown Him Lord of all, oh
We crown Him Lord of all
In all my sorrows, Jesus is better
Make my heart believe
In every victory, Jesus is better
Make my heart believe
Than any comfort, Jesus is better
Make my heart believe
More than all riches, Jesus is better
Make my heart believe
And our souls declaring, Jesus is better
Make my heart believe
And our song eternal, Jesus is better, make my heart believe
Glory, glory, we have no other king
But Jesus Lord of all
Glory, glory, we have no other king
But Jesus Lord of all
Raise the anthem, our loudest praises ring
We crown Him Lord of all
We crown Him Lord of all
Lizzy, beautiful words in your testimony as well as in this praise song. I thought of a hymn chorus too. On Christ, the solid rock [we] stand. All other ground is sinking sand. May the Lord bring healing to those raw and tender places in your heart. You are much loved here.
Oh Lizzy, Jesus is better! So glad you came to this sermon by Keller and these lessons to encourage your heart. Keeping our eyes on Jesus as we follow him can be hard to do at times but your testimony of his refreshing your own heart is sweet to hear. We pray for you in your struggle.
Oh, Lizzy! This is Golden: To follow Him is to release everything else. If our hands are full, we can’t hold His. I love this praise song too! How I pray that our Lord will continue to heal the places and memories that cause you pain.
“They looked to Him and were radiant, and their faces will never be ashamed.” Psalm 34:5
Hold onto the truth, dear Lizzy, as shame and rejection are not from Him. I’m sorry you are hurting right now, and I am praying for you.
oh SUSAN. I just saw this come through my email and as I read this verse my eyes just filled. I feel like I’ve missed that verse my whole life! And you just opened my eyes to it when I needed it most. Oh how He uses you in my life and SO many others. You listen and You care and He fills you with such wisdom. Thank you.
4. Darrell Bock writes: In his rebuke, Jesus is not rebuking the disciples’ message, but their timing and spirit.” What do you think Bock means? (Also — some translations, such as New King James Version, add what Jesus said in his rebuke — though that may not have been in the original translations. Check it out! Thoughts?)
Maybe Bock means that Jesus recognizes that His time on Earth is nearly over and outwardly saving the Samaritans would be a long process that He, Himself didn’t have the time to complete before the end. Of course they would be part of the plan, but maybe it was for the disciples to carry out later, after Jesus was gone. All were able to be saved, including the Samaritans.
The versions I have read include that Jesus says He came to save lives, not to destroy them.
5. Read Luke 9:57- 62
A. What does the first man say and how does Jesus respond? (57-58) In light of the context, what do you think Jesus is telling him?
He says that he will follow Jesus wherever He goes. Jesus says He has no place to rest His head. I think He is saying that the man is used to having amenities that he would not have with Jesus.
B. What does the second man say and how does Jesus respond? (59-60)
Jesus says to follow Him. The second man yes, but also says he needs to bury his father first. Jesus says to let the spiritually dead bury the dead. He says the man’s job is to preach the message of God’s kingdom.
C. What does the third man say and how does Jesus respond? (61-62)
The third man agrees to also follow Jesus, but says he needs to say goodbye to his family first. Jesus says that anyone who puts a hand to the plow before looking back is not fit for the kingdom of God.
D. What common thread is seen first in the three men and then in the three responses from Jesus?
Each man is saying they will go with Jesus. Jesus gives a reason why He thinks each will not go.
Tuesday: The Passage
5. Read Luke 9:57- 62
A. What does the first man say and how does Jesus respond? (57-58) In light of the context, what do you think Jesus is telling him?
—The man said “I will follow you anywhere” Jesus basically said “I don’t have a dwelling place here on earth where I live.”
B. What does the second man say and how does Jesus respond? (59-60)
—Jesus asked the man to follow him and the man said “Let me ho home first to bury my father” and Jesus to let the dead bury the dead. But as for you, go and proclaim the kingdom of God.
C. What does the third man say and how does Jesus respond? (61-62)
—The third said I want to follow you after I go home and and say my goodbyes. Jesus said “No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for the Kingdom of God”.
D. What common thread is seen first in the three men and then in the three responses from Jesus?
—They all had an affinity or attraction to follow Jesus and seemed to want to be apart of his kingdom but the cares of this world and their own agendas still were first in their thought processes.
Jesus demands of them a deeper commitment to himself and the work of the Kingdom. He is saying it has to be absolute first place in their lives.
6. Listen to Keller’s introductory remarks until he gets into the first man.
A. How does Jesus act differently than most “recruiters?”
—He can be so tender and welcoming to the broken sinner who is down and out but he is harsh and stops people and calls them to think who would come follow him for self improvement ethically and doctrinally.
B. Many think of Christianity as moral improvement — what is Jesus talking about?
—He is talking about a radical change of status and nature.
A revolutionary change of stepping into the Kingdom of God and it begins to infiltrate lives with its power to heal. It’s spiritual and life changing within.
C. What else stood out to you?
—Keller said “To follow the Christ is to enter the kingdom. “
It is not about ethical and doctrinal improvement. But rather it’s not a quantitative thing but a qualitative thing.
Tuesday
5. Read Luke 9:57- 62
A. What does the first man say and how does Jesus respond? (57-58) In light of the context, what do you think Jesus is telling him?
The first man says, “I will follow You wherever You go.” Jesus replied, “Foxes have dens to live in, and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head.”
I think He’s telling him, if you’re willing to follow me, you must understand that it won’t always be easy. Jesus didn’t paint a flowery and beautiful scene but rather was honest with him.
B. What does the second man say and how does Jesus respond? (59-60)
To Jesus response of “come follow Me,” the man said “first let me return home and bury my father.”Jesus said, “Let the dead bury their own dead! Your duty is to go and preach about the kingdom of God.”
C. What does the third man say and how goes Jesus respond? (61-62)
”I will follow you, but first let me say goodbye to my family.”
”Anyone who puts a hand to the plow and then looks back is not fit for the kingdom of God.”
D. What common thread is seen first in the three men and then in the three responses from Jesus?
The common thread is, they all want to follow Him…but.
He doesn’t tell them they can’t follow Him, but rather reveals the cost of following Him and also what is in their hearts.
From Sharon:
The common thread is, they all want to follow Him…but. He doesn’t tell them they can’t follow Him, but rather reveals the cost of following Him and also what is in their hearts.
Wednesday: First Man
7. Keller said this man was an idealist — why, do you think?
—It sounds like a rather bold and impetuous statement ( from some one young 😊) to immediately be ready to commit to the unknown future with Jesus. Jesus pointed him to the reality that it was not an easy life. At that point in time there was nothing that demonstrated worldly success in Jesus life. It sounds like the man was banking on what he thought was happening and it looked exciting to him.
8. When you were presented with the gospel, were you also told that this life could be hard? Do you do that when you present the gospel?
—I first accepted Jesus into my life as a child and then in the ensuing years until I was a teenager I did not have assurance of my salvation in Christ. Because of that I was a long time coming to have a clearer understanding of the gospel and what the Christian walk really looked like. Probably in my 30s I began to become more of aware of the reality of how hard the Christian life was. Partly due to reading some amazing biographies of Christians like Corrie Ten Boom, Brother Andrew and Richard Wurmbrand. I seriously wondered if I suffered for my faith like they did would I stand for Christ. I also knew a few Christians who were suffering greatly but remained strong in their love of Jesus and their witness to him in their lives. I began to realize it was a whole lot deeper than I ever knew in my youth. Phillip Ys cry’s book “The Jesus I Never Knew” resonated with me because I felt like the Jesus I grew up learning about was kind of unapproachable in his holy ways as the Son of God. I was slow to appreciate how personal he was as my Saviour.
—When I have shared Christ I have not painted a rosy picture for my listeners but I would like to think it was a positive reality of what it means to become a believer in Jesus. That list of promises that Keller gives in his sermon speak to the needs of our hearts. It was a long and wonderful list. But not health, wealth kinds of things.
9. How has it been harder or easier than you expected?
—Being part of the Kingdom has been hardest to just live it out because of the ongoing battle with the flesh. I expected greater victory sooner and thought I was failing some how to do enough to get past some of the struggles.
I have found it is easier when I give myself over to a deeper walk by spending time in the Word and prayer. Making my relationship to Him priority deepens the joy and the peace that he brings into my life. Living in and accepting his love is richer than anything I could have ever imagined. He is real. The stories are true and it carries me through the hard parts of life.
I expected greater victory sooner — me too!
I love this entire post, Bev. Thank you so much. It is such an honest and clear look at your journey. I can relate to so much of it ~ how my vision of Jesus has changed over the years. The hardest parts of the journey, sometimes have the most astounding and memorable answers to prayer. This is so good:
Living in and accepting his love is richer than anything I could have ever imagined. He is real. The stories are true and it carries me through the hard parts of life.
7. Keller said this man was an idealist — why, do you think? Because he wanted to wait a while until his father passed and he got his inheritance, before he fully followed Christ.
8. When you were presented with the gospel, were you also told that this life could be hard? No. Do you do that when you present the gospel? I haven’t in the initial encounter, but as a person’s life progresses, it inevitably comes up.
9. How has it been harder or easier than you expected? It has been way harder than expected. I used to think that if you were saved, praying and seeking God’s will that everything would go smoothly, otherwise how could you have a good testimony for others. If your life is a mess and fraught with hard times why would anyone want to listen to you tell how wonderful the Christian life is.
Your answer to 9 is interesting, Dawn, and makes me wonder how the gospel was presented to you. I think it is so good that Campus Crusade changed the first of its four spiritual laws. It used to be: God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life.
While that is true eternally, I think it is a bit misleading on an earthly level.
I am on the road for the next 7 days but will read and try to absorb the comments here.
Monday: The Context
3. Read Luke 9:51-56
A. In verse 51, what days were nearing, and what does this mean?
Jesus will be going to Heaven. Jesus will die.
B. What phrase is repeated in verses 51 and 53? What does this mean?
Jesus was heading to Jerusalem.
C. How did the Samaritans treat Jesus and what did James and John want to do?
They did not welcome Jesus and James and John asked Jesus if they could bring down fire and destroy them.
D. What does Jesus do, and why do you think?
He rebuked them and told them they would go to another village. Jesus came not to judge but to call people to repentance.
E. Why do you think rejection doesn’t deter Jesus from going to Jerusalem?
He knew that it was His Father’s will that He goes to Jerusalem.
F. Does rejection deter you from sharing Christ or any other thing we are called to do?
Yes. But I am learning to stand up for truth rather than cower in fear.
1. Darrell Bock writes: In his rebuke, Jesus is not rebuking the disciples’ message, but their timing and spirit.” What do you think Bock means?
They are impatient and do not understand that everything happens for a purpose and their spirit is not motivated by grace but by vengeance.
Tuesday: The Passage
5. Read Luke 9:57- 62
A. What does the first man say and how does Jesus respond? (57-58) In light of the context, what do you think Jesus is telling him?
“I will follow wherever you go.” That He does not have a home. Are you willing to sacrifice the comfort of home, sleep, and a sense of belonging and security?
B. What does the second man say and how does Jesus respond? (59-60)
First, let me bury my father. “Let the dead bury their own dead, “Jesus replied.
C. What does the third man say and how does Jesus respond? (61-62)
I will follow you but let me first say goodbye to my family. “No one who puts his hand on the plow and looks back is fit for the kingdom of God.
D. What common thread is seen first in the three men and then in the three responses from Jesus?
Other things/people take precedence in their lives; Jesus wants first place in their hearts.
Tuesday
6. Listen to Keller’s introductory remarks until he gets into the first man.
A. How does Jesus act differently than most “recruiters?”
Most recruiters want to make Christianity attractive, easy, the answer to all your problems, but Jesus says, “get back and think about the cost.” He really wanted people to understand what it meant to follow Him. As Keller says, “if Jesus was a pastor it doesn’t seem His church would grow very fast.”
B. Many think of Christianity as moral improvement — what is Jesus talking about?
It isn’t just about a conversion…a conversion is about making a change whether it be moral, ethical or doctrinal, but becoming a Christian is much more and it’s more radical than that. It’s about taking that step into the Kingdom of God where He becomes Lord of your life, He is the King. The Kingdom of God is in us spiritually and we live in a spiritual realm where He is first place, where we are willing to give up and leave behind our desires and wants and only want Him no matter the cost. It’s partial, but it’s very real and goes beyond just being converted.
I liked that “If Jesus was a pastor it doesn’t seem His church would grow very fast.”
Thursday: Second Man
10. Whom do you see taking the initiation with the 2nd man? Thoughts?
—Jesus took the initiative by saying to the man “Follow me”.
I see it as a test for that man’s heart as to whether he would obey and follow Jesus unconditionally. As it turns out it revealed the man’s true heart condition of things that actually were more important to him than aJesus alone.
I see a clear challenge here personally to always be turning things in my life back over to Him that might begin to concern me and have any kind of priority above Jesus. My own agenda or wanting my own comfort. But my need is to make him always first in my life unconditionally. The old battle in the flesh requires dying to self. Ironically death to self spiritually results in life. Life in Christ that is full and enriching.
11. What insight does Keller give on “let me go bury my father?”
—In Jewish culture of that time it was a law that you had to be there to bury your father at his death. So the fact that this man was still among the company of people following Jesus meant his father was not dead or dying. This man’s concern was to still stay associated and tied to his father so that he not lose favor with his family. He was putting conditions on his following Jesus by saying “ but first”.
12. This is where we get the hard saying “let the dead bury their dead.” What do you think, in light of all you’ve learned so far, that it means?
—I agree with Keller’s teaching on this where he says “if anything is more important to you than me you are dead.” He made the point that Jesus has to be our Lord and our Savior. They are the same thing. He says anything else we put our trust in becomes our Lord and Savior. Another comment is “Nobody can be objective about Christianity. Anything more important than Jesus as your Lord and Savior will kill you.”
—To choose Jesus unconditionally brings light and life to us spiritually but to choose our own interests kills that life in us.
13. I had an “if only” when my sister shared Christ with me when I asked her if I’d have to give up building a house on the ocean. She responded with Matthew 16:25, which I believe is similar to these responses of Christ, and I’m grateful she did. Thoughts or application?
—the ultimate decision in life spiritually is the choice to deny self and say I only want Jesus.
Wednesday
7. Keller said this man was an idealist — why, do you think?
I think he figured that following Christ would be easy. He had in his mind that Jesus was popular, successful, wealthy and powerful and because he was earthly minded that following Him would afford him all the same things. Jesus was his hero but His response to this man tells him, that’s not what I’m about, following Me and being in the Kingdom of God is hard.
8. When you were presented with the gospel, were you also told that this life could be hard?
My father led me to the Lord when I was 6 and through his testimony to me, I knew that following Christ would not be easy, but it would be the most rewarding thing I could do.
Do you do that when you present the gospel?
Yes, I learned from my parents, that sharing your life experiences of what following Christ is like is very helpful when presenting the gospel.
9. How has it been harder or easier than you expected?
Growing up on the mission field and seeing the lives of people serving Him, I knew it wouldn’t be easy, it prepared me for the suffering, which has definitely not been easy, have I fallen, you bet, but I have looked at that as growing pains which have brought me closer and have caused me to be more dependent upon the Lord.
Sharon, Growing up on the mission field had to be an incredible education in itself! Love reading the stories of your childhood and your parents. You were blessed.
Sharon-I identify with your #9, even though I didn’t grow up on the mission field. I agree that our suffering draws us closer to Him–the last few years, even as hard as it has been, I have sensed a special “chosenness” to the suffering. We join Him in His, we are made more like Him through it, and I never sense Him as close as when it is dark and I draw near to Him.
6. Listen to Keller’s introductory remarks until he gets into the first man.
A. How does Jesus act differently than most “recruiters?”
Jesus almost pushed people away from Him, or so it seems. He gave the “gory details” of what following Him would mean for them.
B. Many think of Christianity as moral improvement — what is Jesus talking about?
People think they do good over and over and they will receive the prize at the end, of eternal life. We are not saved by our good deeds. Loving Him and loving others is how we are saved. Then goodness flows out of us. We are transformed from one realm to another says TK.
Love this Laura! People think they do good over and over and they will receive the prize at the end, of eternal life. We are not saved by our good deeds. Loving Him and loving others is how we are saved. Then goodness flows out of us. We are transformed from one realm to another says TK.
A. What does the first man say and how does Jesus respond? As Keller said, this man was an idealist. I thought he sounded impulsive. “Sounds fun, I can do that….a new adventure.”
(57-58) In light of the context, what do you think Jesus is telling him? tel. In a way, Jesus was saying that it was a commitment to serve, a journey, ongoing, with no amenities…only rough camping along the way, no destination at a 4 star hotel.
B. What does the second man say and how does Jesus respond? (59-60) But first, I must go bury my father…..conditions on the commitment.
C. What does the third man say and how does Jesus respond? (61-62) But first, I need to say my good-byes….conditions on the commitment.
D. What common thread is seen first in the three men and then in the three responses from Jesus? None of the three realized that it was a life changing journey to a different kingdom. It is immediate and not reversible; You make Christ the King of your life, the writer of your script, you follow a rocky road, not a road to popularity, wealth, status or stardom. You serve.
6. Listen to Keller’s introductory remarks until he gets into the first man.
A. How does Jesus act differently than most “recruiters?” There are no “posh” promises. You have to understand The Kingdom of God; There is a cost (not a salary), The Kingdom of God is at hand; it is already and not yet. Most recruiters make splashy promises!
B. Many think of Christianity as moral improvement — what is Jesus talking about? It is a quality thing more than a quantity thing; A change of status and nature. It is one step~ a translation from one realm to another. Everything of this earth dims in comparison to The Kingdom of God.
C. What else stood out to you? You choose to enter and you choose to serve. You leave things behind, not carry them with you. When you believe in Christ, you cross a line and there is an immediate change in your heart. There can be No Conditions in your obedience to God.
7. Keller said this man was an idealist — why, do you think? He thought he was joining a fan club with “perks”, but he was joining a kingdom, at a cost, with works for God.
8. When you were presented with the gospel, were you also told that this life could be hard? Do you do that when you present the gospel? I became a Christian as a child, I don’t know how much I understood ~ though, my parents taught me about Jesus in a very Biblical way~ and I knew that they both had hard lives growing up, yet they depended on Jesus. I have slipped, fallen, gone through painful times in childhood, as a teen, as an adult…… but, especially when I was alone, I always loved talking to Jesus. He knows my whole story, but He listens patiently.
9. How has it been harder or easier than you expected? It has been harder, yet better~ so many things good and bad that I never would have ever imagined~ but He is faithful. I loved that Keller said : Jesus continually surprises. He does!
Loved this Patti: Jesus knows my whole story but still listens to me patiently.
Wednesday: First Man
7. Keller said this man was an idealist — why, do you think? He is not committed to Jesus, just the idea of following Him.
8. When you were presented with the gospel, were you also told that this life could be hard? Do you do that when you present the gospel? I was a very young child the first time I asked Him into my heart. I was not discipled at all in the church I grew up in or by my parents. When I have had the honor of presenting the Gospel to someone, I have tried to be honest about the struggles and the victories.
9. How has it been harder or easier than you expected? I didn’t expect the rejection that I have experienced on a very personal level. So it has been difficult my whole life. There was a time that I too rejected Christianity, but as a young Mother with the responsibility of raising my 3 children I finally surrendered to Christ and invited Him to be Lord and Savior. What a huge difference that made! It is much easier to bear the great sorrows of this life with Jesus by my side. When no one else will listen, He always does. His presence is an indescribable joy, He brings me such peace in all the storms. So, life with Jesus as Lord and Savior is easier. I will praise His Name forever and ever!
(Sorry that I got behind, I had trouble with downloading the sermon.)
Lovely testimony from Lydia:
There was a time that I too rejected Christianity, but as a young Mother with the responsibility of raising my 3 children I finally surrendered to Christ and invited Him to be Lord and Savior. What a huge difference that made! It is much easier to bear the great sorrows of this life with Jesus by my side. When no one else will listen, He always does. His presence is an indescribable joy, He brings me such peace in all the storms. So, life with Jesus as Lord and Savior is easier. I will praise His Name forever and ever!
Amen!
Thank-you Dee! To God be the Glory.
Friday: Third Man
14. Keller says both the 2nd and 3rd men are hesitant because they don’t understand what?
— I think that point was in the context of them not understanding they needed to follow Jesus unconditionally. Keller said “Jesus Christ cannot be known apart from absolute commitment.” They had conditions in their lives of “But first” and “If only”.
15. What point was Keller making with Augustine’s quote?
—Augustine prayed “O Lord, Make me good but not yet.” He was expressing his desire to have the Lord in his life but he also wanted to continue having what he had in his life for the time being. But the reality was Jesus was saying if anything is more important to you than me you are dead. It goes back to what was said by Keller that I wrote in yesterday’s lesson. “Anything more important than Jesus as your Lord and Savior will kill you.”
16. Keller compared “Let the dead bury the dead” to “if anything is more important than God, it will kill you.” What is he saying?
—ok I answered 15 before I read 16 😊Keller makes it clear that Christ has to be absolute number One in our lives. Anything that is in anyway in competition with commitment to Christ has a decaying and destroying affect on our spiritual lives.
Keller put it like this: “Jesus can give you a whole new life but it can’t coexist with the old one. “ And
“Jesus says no one who loves anything more than me can keep spiritual deadness from creeping up out all over their life. “
17. What is the point of the plow metaphor?
—That as Christians after we have stepped across the line into the Kingdom of Heaven we are to keep our focus on Jesus as our first priority committed wholly to following him and not be looking back to our past life and hanging on to old loves and what was important to us in the past. He made the statement that
“For the Christian… if you put your hand to the plow and keep looking back you end up in all kinds of pathologies.”
18. What two options did Keller end with?
—He said you can either obey Jesus which is very hard or you can choose not to obey which is much harder.
Wednesday: First Man
7. Keller said this man was an idealist — why, do you think?
An idealist is not committed to Christ but committed to commitment. If you do things right, things will work out. We can deal with the problems. We can make a difference. They love idealism. Appeals to the sense of heroic. They get excited. But then Jesus is saying, “I am the embodiment-I do not have status, human credentials, human wealth, no place to live.” Following Jesus does not consist of things that you think you will get.
But He promises peace, the fruit of the spirit, meaning in life, courage, and the presence of God. Real glory, things that will last forever. Things that are eternal. Look at me. I am bringing the kingdom through self-denial and suffering. The kingdom of God is not of eating and drinking but of righteousness. To follow Christ is to understand its hardness.
8. When you were presented with the gospel, were you also told that this life could be hard? Do you do that when you present the gospel?
I believe that I was told that the Christian life can be hard but that God would always be with me. Fleshing that knowledge out was another thing. Where is He when the going gets tough? I have learned He is inside of me and His message to me is found in His Word.
I always feel that the gospel should be presented in the context of what relationship I have with the person I am sharing the gospel with. I tend to share my own testimony and would go from there. I remember a quick conversation I have with a lady outside a grocery store. I have just recently met her and had the impression that she was not a Christian. She asked me for prayer for her difficult situation. In the course of our conversation, I just realized she really did not want my advice but thinks that because I am a pastor’s wife that my prayers will make a difference in her situation. We parted and I was discouraged. I know so little of what others are going through and so little of how to lead them to Christ. It did give me a deeper desire to pray for God to help me share the gospel winsomely and to do so in love and in truth.
9. How has it been harder or easier than you expected?
It is harder because I am more aware of what is right and true and my natural man fights against it. It is harder because I have a tendency to please others. And sharing the gospel can be hard if I feel there’s resistance and that person may not like me.
love your heart Bing “Where is He when the going gets tough? I have learned He is inside of me and His message to me is found in His Word.”
7. Keller said this man was an idealist — why, do you think?
The idealist gives no conditions to his following Jesus. Not committed to Christ, rather committed to excitement. Idealism says if you do things right then all works out. Jesus is appealing to him (the heroic in him), but Jesus says to look at Him….He has nothing that the man thinks is important, but He is healing people, changing peoples lives, and is about to turn the world upside down. The human life has nothing that the kingdom of God has. He promises peace, greatness in character, growth in the fruits of the spirit. He will give eternal things. He is a gypsy of sorts! He has nowhere to lay His head. They had to go to Judas to find Him. He tells the man up front that nothing might happen to him. He might be just like Jesus is in the end.
8. When you were presented with the gospel, were you also told that this life could be hard? Do you do that when you present the gospel?
No, I had no idea. No, but many know the struggles our family has had and might wonder.
9. How has it been harder or easier than you expected?
In the past it was harder because I was mixed up. I lived in two worlds, life and church. In the past 20 years I have come to understand I need to live in one world, that of a Christian. I have immersed myself in Jesus and am such a more happy person. That has only come in the last 10 years really. Now I find it easier to deal with the challenges of life. I credit this blog for much of my success in this area. Thank you Dee. Thank you ladies. ♥️
Your growth has been a joy to see, Laura!
oh Laura– “I have immersed myself in Jesus and am such a more happy person” You inspire me! and you SHINE of His beauty
Thank you for this great post, Laura. You have a way of putting “real” life into simple and understandable words. I love reading your journey with Jesus! It is always encouraging and inspirational!
Thursday: Second Man
With conditions
10. What insight does Keller give on “let me go bury my father?”
My first thoughts before I listened to Keller:
It is conditional. Bury my father may mean many years till the father dies! Let me say goodbye to my family may mean making them understand my decision and lots of talking before he follows Jesus!
After listening: We place conditions before we follow Jesus-what ifs, but first, if only. Jesus asks for absolute commitment. I thought of the scene of Nicodemus falling apart in tears when he decided that his family was more important to him. And Jonathan Roumie’s Jesus saying sadly, “you came so close.”
11. This is where we get the hard saying “let the dead bury their dead.” What do you think, in light of all you’ve learned so far, that it means?
If anything is more important to you than me, it will kill you. It will stop the spiritual kingdom from flowing into your life.
12. I had an “if only” when my sister shared Christ with me when I asked her if I’d have to give up building a house on the ocean. She responded with Matthew 16:25, which I believe is similar to these responses of Christ, and I’m grateful she did. Thoughts or application?
I often have to fight against the urge to make my commitment conditional to Christ in terms of ministry. I would stay with it if only ministry is not so messy. If only I do not have to deal with immature Christians. If only my loved ones are as sold out to the gospel as I want them to be. Yet in the midst of these ugly thoughts, God has been patient with me and keeps my hand on the plow. He will finish what He has started in me. Philippians 1:6
That was an interesting scene in The Chosen, though I don’t think correct in light of the following — of course, we don’t know. The Chosen does make us think! Be interested in what you think Bing — and also about having Mary of Magdala go back to demons for a while.
In John 7:50-51, Nicodemus spoke to a group of unbelieving Pharisees against unlawfully seizing Jesus.
Later in John 19:39, after Jesus had been crucified, Nicodemus joined Joseph of Arimathea in giving Jesus a traditional Jewish burial. Nicodemus “brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds” (John 19:39).
Dee, I think that scene from The Chosen could have been plausible. On the other hand, since he was a teacher of the law, I don’t see the biblical Nicodemus crying like that. But we will never know for sure (Smile to myself-as I know for me it was the most poignant and so far one of the most touching scenes for me and the actor really played his part well). I would surmise that Nicodemus had an epiphany later on and what he knew in his mind about Jesus finally made it into his heart. I love how his story ended with John 19. We will see Nicodemus in heaven!
I hope Dallas keeps on repeating his admonition to the watchers of the movie-read your Bible! We are to be able to separate artistic freedom and the absolute truth in God’s Word.
With Mary Magdala-the same. Her back story is again very touching. Her going back to her demons-maybe. But I think she is one of those who have put her hand on the plow and never looked back. I saw her more as one who was “ravished” by Jesus’ love and after that, she had no other loves except Him. But since we all fall short, I don’t believe she did not sin anymore; perhaps her demons haunted her some but they had no power over her anymore as they used to have.
Thanks for making me think, Dee. Indeed, one has to be careful with what we watch and always, always, line them up with God’s truth.
Love your thoughts. I think watching the Chosen is similar to listening to a sermon. We simply must be like the Bereans. I think the series has done a lot of good. I have a few favorite scenes too — mostly from the early episodes. It does make us think, a very good thing.
Friday: Third Man
14. Keller says both the 2nd and 3rd men are hesitant because they don’t understand what? They are pragmatists and do not understand the greatness of God’s Kingdom.
15. What point was Keller making with Augustine’s quote? You must let go of your former life to fully serve God. Augustine was not ready to give up his life of sin.
16. Keller compared “Let the dead bury the dead” to “if anything is more important than God, it will kill you.” What is he saying? You are spiritually dead if you do not put God first in your life. It is impossible to have Jesus as your Savior and not Lord of your life.
17. What is the point of the plow metaphor? Your new life in Christ can have nothing to do with your old life of sin.
18. What two options did Keller end with? Obey Jesus or disobey Jesus.
Saturday: So What?
19. How is God asking you to apply this? Take time.
—This has been a powerful study this week. The challenges to examine my own personal commitment to Christ have been valuable. To consider what it has looked like from my early walk with Jesus to what it looks like now. We live in an incredibly self centered culture let alone the fact that our own fleshly bent is to serve ourselves first and look out for our own interests. The distractions of this life are many. But in this passage we get the harsh Jesus that says get real! Get real about what following Me looks like. He says what I demand of you is unconditional and total. Anything less takes me down a dead and decaying path for my life. My hand is on the plow and I dare not look back and hang onto anything or long for anything besides Jesus himself. And not even anything in addition to Him. Just Christ alone.
Tomorrow we are headed to the mountains in Colorado and will be spending the week in a condo with our son and his wife and their 5 children. We feel blessed that they invited us and want to spend the time with us.
I have enjoyed several weeks now of being able to spend time on the blog doing these studies on the hard sayings from Keller’s sermons. While gone I probably won’t have much time to do any writing but of course will try to follow along with the reading.
Have a wonderful time Bev — always good to have you here!
Bev-praying for your time away. Sounds wonderful! I look forward to seeing you hear when you’re back–I always learn so much from you!
10. Whom do you see taking the initiation with the 2nd man? Thoughts?
I’m not sure what you are asking here. Jesus asks Him to follow. He is trying to get His followers. Which one will be strong enough to leave their earthly life to promote eternal life? Which one could live as He does, with no comforts of “life” included?
11. What insight does Keller give on “let me go bury my father?”
The father is not really on His death bed. The man would be at his deathbed (by law) if he was actually dying. This man was going along with the others, following Jesus. There must be a willingness to take all conditions off the allegiance with Him. He can’t be your savior or king if you have conditions. Any conditions at all and you’re in your own kingdom.
12. This is where we get the hard saying “let the dead bury their dead.” What do you think, in light of all you’ve learned so far, that it means?
Anything more important than Him will kill you, because you won’t have eternal life.
13. I had an “if only” when my sister shared Christ with me when I asked her if I’d have to give up building a house on the ocean. She responded with Matthew 16:25, which I believe is similar to these responses of Christ, and I’m grateful she did. Thoughts or application?
Your sister was a smart cookie! I can’t remember exactly how it played out, or how she said it. What made you say ok? I’m curious. My atheist friend would say if she had to give up her “good life,” then no way would she follow. How do you overcome that? I guess we don’t, because not all will be saved.
In answer to your question, Laura — it was the fear of the Lord — the beginning of wisdom!
Thursday
10. Whom do you see taking the initiation with the 2nd man? Thoughts?
I see Jesus taking the initiative wanting to see if he was serious and also if he really understood what it meant to follow Him.
11. What insight does Keller give on “let me go bury my father?”
If this man’s father was dying he wouldn’t of been walking with Jesus, according to Jewish law he would of of been at his bedside. What this man is actually saying is, he’d like to belong to Christ but I’m not sure how my father would feel about it and I don’t want to alienate him from my life…he might disown me.
12. This is where we get the hard saying “let the dead bury their dead.” What do you think, in light of all you’ve learned so far, that it means?
If you’re not absolutely committed to following Me, making me Lord of your life and taking that one step that puts you into the Kingdom than you have chosen death…make that decision and it will kill your.
13. I had an “if only” when my sister shared Christ with me when I asked her if I’d have to give up building a house on the ocean. She responded with Matthew 16:25, which I believe is similar to these responses of Christ, and I’m grateful she did. Thoughts or application?
If we chose to hang on to the things of the world, we have chosen spiritual death rather than eternal life. It’s ok to want a nice house etc but if we make that step into the Kingdom these things can’t become more important than following Him, making Him Lord of our lives.
Saturday: So What?
19. How is God asking you to apply this? Take time. Listening to Tim Keller’s message, I was moved to tears. I have been praying about this in earnest. My plans, my days and my family seem to come before Jesus in my life. My, my, my… Lord forgive me! For many years I have felt called to work in a crisis pregnancy center, because of my choices early in life and I feel that God wants to bring about “beauty for ashes” in my life. I attempted to volunteer 31 years ago, and was told I would have to take their post-abortive recovery class first. So I did and it was such a healing experience. Then we moved to a small town that did not have a CPC. Fast forward 10 years, we moved to a larger town in a different state that did have a CPC. The training classes were all held during the day and I had to work during the day,so once again, I did not get to do what God was calling me to. 5 years after my husband died, I retired and tried to volunteer at my local CPC…the director informed me that I was over the age of their prime recruiting candidates due to their younger clients needs and they felt a younger volunteer staff would be better suited. Now I am across the country from that place in a small town. There is a CPC here, so I will try again to volunteer. I am nervous about even trying because of my previous experiences, but I want to obey the Lord…here goes!
Lydia, praying for you to have an opportunity to volunteer at a CPC. God will and can open the door for you if that is His will.
Thank-you for praying for me, I am trusting the Lord!
Oh Lydia — I think that was so short-sighted of them. I too pray for an open door if that is where God can use you best. I think you’d be wonderful.
Thank-you for praying for me Dee, if it doesn’t work out this time, I will accept His will and seek His direction.
Friday
14. Keller says both the 2nd and 3rd men are hesitant because they don’t understand what?
They don’t understand the greatness of the Kingdom of God, it is so much better than what they want to hang on to!
15. What point was Keller making with Augustine’s quote?
He wanted the best of both worlds and on his terms. But, but but!!!
16. Keller compared “Let the dead bury the dead” to “if anything is more important than God, it will kill you.” What is he saying?
He’s speaking of a spiritual death…if you’re going to choose things that are more important than Me than that’s your savior.
17. What is the point of the plow metaphor?
If you keep looking back to see if the furrow is straight there’s no way you’re going to continue going straight. Once your cross the boarder into the Kingdom if you keep looking back you’ll turn into a monster. Your old life can’t coexist with your new life.
18. What two options did Keller end with?
You can either obey Jesus which is hard or decide not to obey which is even harder.