This is such a hard saying, and also so controversial, I am going to spend two weeks on it. I am eager to do it with you, for you are such a thoughtful and grounded group.
Part I of:
“…the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence
and the violent take it by force.”
What in the world does this mean?
God has given us a woman right in our fellowship who is such a perfect example of what Jesus truly meant when He said this hard saying:
I’m talking about our own Miriam (Missy) who has spent her whole adult life fighting for justice for children who have so needed an advocate. Jesus gives this “hard saying” in the context of speaking about John the Baptist, who was violently passionate and willing to swim upstream, against the culture, to advance the Kingdom.
The ESV, NIV, and NAS have similar translations, but here is the ESV:
From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence and the violent take it by force. (Matthew 11:12)
Missy has suffered much in her passion for justice, in going against the crowd, even those in the church who stood against her, as the Baptist stood against the religious leaders of his day.
Missy was called to this from a tender age. She also had parents who modeled this passion for advancing the kingdom. She writes:
I was raised in a Christian family and came to Christ at the tender age of 6 in a chapel service at Columbia Bible College where my Dad was attending. The words across the chapel said, “To know Him, and to make Him known.” And this became the desire of my young heart. God began working on my heart immediately with a strong desire to serve Him as a missionary in a foreign field. My father was a chaplain for many years to foreign merchant seamen who came to the ports of Norfolk, Virginia, from all over the world. He renovated a burned-out building by the shipping ports in a drug and prostitution-infested neighborhood. I worked in his mission and saw the precious children running wild in the streets. I started a Bible club with my mom and sisters and thus was born inside of me a deep love for those children and a desire to bring them to Jesus.
Below is Missy with some of the first children in her own Bible club. See what she writes beneath.
These are some of the original kids who came to my neighborhood weekly Bible Club.
And below, if you click on the link you can download a 6-second video of Toni0, a little boy who endured unspeakable trauma. Yet he came to my house every day. So many stories I could tell, but over the years I have been to multiple supermax prisons and many days in court pleading for mercy for this child. He would have 3 guards flanking him at all times, but they let me go into a tiny room with him alone where he laid his head on my chest “to hear my heart beating.” It gave him a few moments of peace for his troubled mind. He is now in his 30s and has converted to Islam while in prison which has been a great grief to my heart.
We live in a world where Satan is temporarily prince. He opposes all that is good. He has his helpers both in the demonic and the human world. He has no mercy, going after the vulnerable. If we are going to be passionate about advancing the kingdom, we will also suffer, but only temporarily.
Missy bought a home in the same ghetto that her parents had ministered. This has been her house of mercy for 35 years.
The house God gave me in the ghetto. For years, it has been full of kids coming and going. So many precious lives became part of my life. I would often have 10 kids piled into my van for Sunday mornings, many of them sitting on the floor. Then they all had dinner at my house. Several of them still reminisce about the Sunday Missy biscuits. I’m not a good cook, but I think it is the warm memories they crave.
I’ll return to Missy’s story next week, but let’s dig in first to what this saying does not mean, for it has been used to justify the kind of violence that Jesus clearly spoke against, both militaristic and personal.
Concerning war:
Does God ever condone violence in war? My own dear late husband was a pacifist and made a strong case for it from the words of Jesus. He served in the military, but never bore arms.
I personally veer toward believing violence is justified in defending those who are attacked, such as in World War II and now, in defending Ukraine. This is the “just war” theory. It seems right to me, but I could be wrong.
But this hard saying has been used to justify evil wars begun by those who want to wipe out a certain kind of people and advance their own supremacy. It could never mean that — for God is not a respecter of persons.
Concerning politics:
This “hard saying” has been used to justify political violence. But that is not what this means at all. Violence leads to more violence. Is that not what Jesus meant when he said that those who live by the sword will die by the sword? How much better to go the peaceful way of Martin Luther King (who indeed suffered violence) than the way of Malcolm X or Black Lives Matter.
Concerning masculinity:
This “hard saying” has also been used to support a false and harmful image of masculinity. Mark Driscoll swore and screamed in the pulpit, told men to be MEN, but defined that in a way that truly confined women, twisted the beauty of marital intimacy, ruined marriages, and destroyed faith. He made his definition of “true masculinity” his theme, and it drew thousands of young people, both in Seattle and on the internet. I have been thankful for the journalistic integrity shown by Christianity Today’s “Rise and Fall of Mars Hill podcasts.” They have exposed Driscoll’s false teaching and the danger of megachurches built on one charismatic (speaking secularly) man. The latest episode is an interview with Tim Keller and his views on this. If you are interested, and I hope you are, here is the link — if you know nothing about Mark Driscoll, the church finally came down when his plagiarism and taking funds from the church to promote his book were exposed — but I feel his abuse of elders and his congregation were more grievous.
https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/
For those who listen to part or all of the above, we’ll discuss it at the end of this week. We won’t discuss the Keller sermon until next week, though feel free to get started. I often have to listen twice, as I did with this one.
We must absolutely understand what Jesus really meant! I hope this from Keller will pique your interest. He said the purpose of his message was:
…to explain God’s spiritual violence and arouse it in you who do not have it, and stimulate it in you for whom it is low.
Jesus spoke this hard saying in the context of explaining the radical life of John the Baptist.
When the REALITY of the impending Kingdom of God came to John, and the knowledge that Jesus, the Lamb of God, would usher it in, he became radical! He was willing, as truly God asks all of us to do, to swim against the flow, and he suffered for it, identifying with the sufferings of Christ. Likewise, the disciples died martyrs deaths but advanced the kingdom with their passion. More contemporary saints like Deitrich Bonhoeffer and Jim Elliot died martyrs deaths but advanced the kingdom. All of those I have just mentioned suffered violently — yet great is their reward in heaven.
Keller also said it takes a kind of violent hunger for us to truly embrace the Kingdom of God.
Below is the sermon if you want to get started this week, but I’ll reserve the questions on it for next week. This is the first time during this series when you will have to purchase a sermon — but since we are taking it for two weeks, I hope you’ll find it worth it! Here is the link to purchase it.
https://gospelinlife.com/downloads/the-violent-bear-it-away-6235/
God Hunt Sunday:
- How have you seen God in your life this week?
- Any initial comments on Missy’s story or this “hard saying?”
Monday: The Calling of John the Baptist
Jesus spoke this hard saying in the context of the life of John the Baptist. Keller refers to this clip from The Greatest Story Ever Told with Charleton Heston playing the Baptist.
3. What prophesy was the Baptist’s father given about him in Luke 1:76-79?
4. Read Luke 3:7-9
A. What did he say to the crowds to awaken them here? Find everything you can.
Last week, in loving our enemies, we looked at how we must be both tough and tender. Mostly we see tough from the Baptist, but we can learn from him. Matt Chandler tells about a classmate standing next to him at their lockers and saying, “I need to talk to you about Jesus. When would be a good time?” In the podcast from Tim Keller I referenced above, he is often asked “What is the model of Redeemer.” He said they don’t have a “model” but do first want to show that Christianity is intellectually respectable, then desirable, and then true.
B. What might you learn and incorporate into your life evangelistically from the Baptist, Chandler, or Keller?
5. Read Luke 3:18-20 and explain how John the Baptist suffered violence for speaking the truth.
Tuesday: The Confusion of John the Baptist
Why do those who seem most passionate about promoting the kingdom so often seem to encounter the most trouble? I believe it is because they have rattled Satan. Did you catch this last week from our Missy?
My grown son whom I raised for 20 years has gone AWOL with his new girlfriend. Oh, the bitterness that has welled up and taken residence in my innermost being. I was exhausted and struggling to get my incorrigible adopted son into bed Friday night around midnight when he raced into my room and breathlessly, with his thick accent, told me to get downstairs immediately. “Big problem, Mom!!!!” My brand new floors which had finally been laid were spongy and soggy with water pouring out from the new dishwasher under the flooring. The appliance guy had not hooked it up properly. .. It’s a holiday weekend and I had no idea what to do next. I’ve been screaming a lot lately, and I wanted to scream some more. Instead, this time, I quieted my heart before God and fell to my knees beside my bed. “I know I’m not suffering like the Ukrainians, Lord, but I’m downright exhausted!” I told Him sincerely wanted to pass a test for once in my life. I wanted to learn to trust Him with what He has allowed in my life. The verse came to me, “They looked for a city, whose builder and maker is God.” I reveled in the joy that awaits the child of God in my new home built by God Himself, where I won’t need constant repairs and I won’t be responsible for them anyway! Oh, hallelujah!!
In the opening of Matthew 11, the same chapter as this “hard saying,” we see confusion in John. He’s been serving the Lord passionately and now he is in prison.
6. Read Matthew 11:2-6
A. What question does the Baptist send to Jesus? Why do you think he might be confused?
B. How does Jesus reply? How is this an answer?
7. Challenge question: Keller has often said that when you are angry with God over suffering it is because you are religious rather than gospel-oriented. Can you explain why? How do you react to suffering?
Wednesday: Going Against the Flow
Missy is such a beautiful example of going against the flow of the world. She is certainly not conformed to the values this world has but has her eyes focused on the kingdom. Here Jesus says the same of John the Baptist.
8. Read Matthew 11:7-12
A. How does Jesus challenge their expectations of greatness in verses 7-8?
B. How does our world define greatness?
C. What does Jesus say about John in verses 9-11?
D. From what you’ve learned so far, what do you think verse 12 means?
9. Where is God challenging you to go against the flow? What changes might you make to do so?
Thursday-Friday: What This Statement Does Not Mean
10. In the opening I shared my thoughts on ways this hard saying has been misused in wars, politics, and defining masculinity. I’d love to hear your thoughts.
11. If you listened to the interview of Tim Keller on The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, please share your comments.
Saturday:
12. What is your take-a-way and why?
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2. Any initial comments on Missy’s story or this “hard saying?” I can’t wait to hear more of Missy’s story! I waited all week for this and it did not disappoint. What a heart Missy has for the oppressed and the orphan and how her heart for Christ is so extremely passionate. She doesn’t just talk about desiring justice, she lives it. So encouragingly convicting for me. What I really like about her story is the contrast of light and dark and that’s reality, for satan prowels! Tonio’s precious soul found God’s comfort, and God’s heartbeat in Missy and went there to rest His head. That is such a poignant picture of what Jesus longs for! Even though he’s taken refuge in Islam, I think there is no way he’ll forget that feeling of ‘home’ in Missy’s heart and knows deep down it’s Jesus, for Missy’s faithful Love isn’t the norm of the human heart. So I’ll pray! Jesus, thank you thank you for showing yourself in Missy to Tonio. Please comfort Missy’s grieving heart and help Tonio to remember these tender moments with you and to see the tender difference between Islam and you and that the memories you gave Him will draw Him back to you. In your lovely name, amen.
What good reflections on Missy, Rebecca. I see this spiritual passion in you too!
Rebecca I had the same thought that Tonio will never forget Missy’s heartbeat. Appreciate your prayer. I say Amen to it.
Amen, Rebecca. Missy’s story takes my breath away. What a heart for Jesus and the family of God. Faith in action. Praying for Tonio to return to Jesus and comfort Missy’s grieving heart.
Rebecca, you put into words what I couldn’t express after I read more about Missy’s story. The vision of Tonio leaning against Missy wanting to hear her heartbeat brought tears to my eyes. Missy, prayers for you and for all of your children.
I must say that this hard saying has really piqued my interest and I want to study it further with everybody here. I’m especially interested because it was written in the context of Jesus speaking about John the Baptist. He was one intriguing character in Scripture to me! How must it have been to be the cousin and forerunner of Christ Himself, born with a burning within him to fulfill the mission for which he was born! And with his calling from God came a deep suffering, standing out in the crowd as strange and not one of them. So fiery and passionate in calling people to repentance and to behold the Lamb of God. The movie version was very different from how I imagine this rugged man to act. I believe he was very forthright and never failed to tell the truth, but I don’t believe he did it with sneering. And I think Herod quite liked him somewhat and only gave in to decapitating him at the behest of his illicit lover. I often think of John, sitting in that prison before his execution, faint of heart and so discouraged and wondering if he had indeed done what God asked him to do as it had not turned out well at all for him. Had he suffered needlessly? Did he misunderstand his calling? Had he wasted his life? And Jesus merely sent a message back to John via his disciples that a man is blessed who is not offended in Him. So much to ponder when I read these words. I know Jesus chided Peter for cutting off the ear of the soldier who came to arrest Him and told him to put up his sword. He later told the ruler at His trial that His kingdom is not of this world, or else His servants would fight. So I think, without extensive study and at first glance, that this hard saying does not mean physical violence but perhaps it means an all-out passion for God and His Kingdom, willing to suffer, if need be, to promote that Kingdom in a world hostile to the Gospel. One of my beloved long term patients shot and killed himself this week just before I arrived to his house. I was thankful that I had told him the gospel several times though he dismissed what I said. When I spoke to my wayward son yesterday about the incident, I reminded him, with great passion, about the brevity of life and how only what is done for Christ will last. I pleaded with him, once again, to leave the pleasures of this world which only last for a season, and instead to walk the narrow path of the Crucified. He made light of what I said and my hurting heart wondered briefly if this passion of mine for Christ and eternity is a bit much as I feel so alone at the end of the day while others seem to skate around merrily, even naming the name of Christ but not selling out to Him. But I know that it is God that has put this burning within me as we see the brevity of this earthly life and the length of eternity. Maybe that’s what is might mean possibly that the kingdom of God suffers violence? I might be totally wrong in this but it made me think when you brought it to our attention that it was spoken in context about John the Baptist.
Oh Missy, No. your passion for Christ and Eternity will never be too much. Only the enemy would have you think that. Oh that others would have just a bit of your passion for the same. You bring up some good questions and we definitely have much to chew on this week. Thanks to Dee. 😊
Oh my Missy — your life seemed filled with violence and you are in the midst. I truly see you as John the Baptist and hope these lessons will encourage you. Did he ever wonder if his life made a difference? Probably — but it certainly did! Liked your comments about the film too.
Missy, everything you say here is gold!
“So I think, without extensive study and at first glance, that this hard saying does not mean physical violence but perhaps it means an all-out passion for God and His Kingdom, willing to suffer, if need be, to promote that Kingdom in a world hostile to the Gospel.”
and,
“When I spoke to my wayward son yesterday about the incident, I reminded him, with great passion, about the brevity of life and how only what is done for Christ will last.”
Thank you for your pondering. You are the hands and feet of Jesus!
Oh, Missy. Your life is such a testimony to the love for and the love of Jesus! I know that your heart aches for Tonio and I pray that, like the prodigal son, he will realize that the love you gave to him, is like the love of Jesus: a gift not offered by this world, but only from Jesus Christ our Lord, who took our sins to the cross with Him. How I thank God for you and your passion! What a legacy of love that will never fail or fade.
This phrase will echo in my heart for a very long time. The burning God has put in your heart is filled with the eternal beauty and value of His love for us and you have given your life to share that love with those who need it so.
He made light of what I said and my hurting heart wondered briefly if this passion of mine for Christ and eternity is a bit much as I feel so alone at the end of the day while others seem to skate around merrily, even naming the name of Christ but not selling out to Him. But I know that it is God that has put this burning within me as we see the brevity of this earthly life and the length of eternity.
Missy, why am I crying while reading your comment here? “… my hurting heart wondered briefly if this passion of mine for Christ and eternity is a bit much as I feel so alone at the end of the day while others seem to skate around merrily, even naming the name of Christ but not selling out to Him.”
Your bold testimony is the passion many, including myself, want to have. To see the brevity of life and the length of eternity. I am so thankful that in cyberspace, God continues to speak of His heart to me through testimonies like yours. Much love and gratitude.
God Hunt Sunday:
How have you seen God in your life this week?
A number of years ago God gave me a very special friend in Christ. I had told Him I really wanted and needed someone in my life who really knew how to pray. I remember attending a Bible study and prayer group where I first met her. And as she prayed I thought to myself she knows how to pray. Within a couple of days she approached me and asked if I would consider being her prayer partner for a ministry she was involved with. There was counseling by the male leadership of our church where we both attended dealing with a difficult woman. My friend was there as protection and accountability for the elders who were addressing the need. We began a relationship in praying together that truly bonded us in Christ. She had come to Christ some years before as a professing atheist. She was 33 when she found Christ by reading the Bible. There is much more to her story personally in relationship to her unsaved family and as the mother of an adult mentally handicapped son. It’s been a hard life. In the ensuing years she has suffered physically with serious health issues. Yet her love of Jesus still runs deep and she walks closely with the Lord. We have weathered many hard things together sharing in Bible study and always supporting one another in prayer. We have found in the last couple of years getting together is a very real struggle even with our commitment to each other and the Lord. This past week we planned to meet and pray on Friday. Often she is not able to meet but I was sick in the night Thursday and Friday morning I was the one not available to meet. That is not my normal. I generally speaking have pretty good health for my age. I told her I truly felt the enemy was keeping us apart. But God has encouraged me by his love and presence. Last night I was awake in the night praying and able to bring many requests to him and experienced his love. He is so faithful. We hope to meet this week God willing.
Any initial comments on Missy’s story or this “hard saying?”
I deeply appreciate Missy’s transparency. Her life’s story and experiences are so timely to what we are studying here together. And I feel these hard sayings are crucial to help our perspectives for the times we live in. To do justice and love kindness will long stay in my memory and I pray will influence my life in future situations.
I am grateful for the opportunity to examine these deeper truths from God’s Word in the context of what Jesus was saying and teaching his followers. Timeless truths spoken to his culture that speak to ours as well.
What a great friendship story, Bev!
Bev, I am praying that you and your friend may spend time together this week and I hope you are feeling better 😉.
What a wonderful story of a godly friendship. It sounds like she had an amazing transformation.
1. How have you seen God in your life this week?
The weather in our area has been heavenly for several weeks now. I am enjoying it so much! We have a wedding vow renewal (our son who was married last year in Croatia has agreed to renew so our family can participate) in our backyard next month, and it would be so nice if this weather continued for that evening 😉. I believe God is in the midst of this event. They were married at the court, thinking it would help her to stay longer in the US. It did not. It is so disappointing that I can’t help my son and his new wife have a place to call home, yet hundreds of thousands of illegals are flooding our country and being released (or flown) anywhere they want to go. Ugh, I fear our country is falling apart. It doesn’t make logical sense to me at all. I digress.
My prayer request is that they, he who was raised in church, and she who has no idea, embrace the beautiful (Christian) vow renewal ceremony I have put together for the event. It has scripture and is a covenant with Him. I pray that He is felt by all. I am excited, yet afraid, at the same time. People are having to spend a kajillion dollars to get here, find places to stay, and rent cars, as the economy has tanked and everything is SO expensive. I feel a bit guilty about that. I suppose they don’t have to come if they can’t do it, right? Anyway thank you for prayers for the acceptance of the ceremony itself. I know these two are perfect for each other, but they are lacking the backbone of their marriage even if they don’t realize it. Thank You Jesus!
2. Any initial comments on Missy’s story or this “hard saying?”
Wow! Missy! You have had a sweet spot for your mission for a very long time 😉. That is admirable. This part of the story told made me want to come and help you! I was gripped by the little boy’s story who ended up in jail, only to have my heart drop when you said he has converted to Islam 😕. Surely you have done what Jesus wants us to all do. I can’t wait to hear more. ♥️♥️
God Hunt Sunday:
1. How have you seen God in your life this week? – It’s in the feeling of peace and love in our new community. My husband and I moved permanently to Church Hill Tennessee in March and we have no biological family around us at all. The kids and grandkids, brothers and sisters, mom are all in other states. But we have felt the love and acceptance of our church family and our community. It has made the move away from family so much easier knowing we have ‘family’ here and it is growing in numbers.
2. Any initial comments on Missy’s story or this “hard saying? – I need to go back and listen to the links provided, but Missy you are a modern-day Mother Teresa and the unconditional love you have for those kids is truly showing what Jesus was all about. Prayers to you and all who come in your home.
Julie, it sounds like your move has gone well! I’m so glad you have a spiritual family…we had the same experience when we moved to NC. So thankful for them and their support.
Sunday
I have been hesitant about sharing the ministry God has showed my husband and I because I have no idea what it will really look like…trusting Him for guidance. God has laid on our hearts those in our church who are on the fringes, co-workers that Jim was able to minister to while working (still reaching out to him), another friend reaching out as his wife has left him and what I took as a God Hunt and confirmation was a day after my husband and I had a conversation about who we needed to reach out to, a man texted, from our church, on the fringes, asking to meet for coffee when he gets feeling better…he was part of our conversation and prayers!! All I know is I want to be obedient and available to what God has called us to…whatever, whenever and whomever that is. I also know that prayer will be playing a BIG role and I covet yours as well.
When I read Missy’s story, looked at the pictures ( she looks so radiant) I could see many seeds that were planted and I know continue to be. I can’t help but think of what Paul said to the Ephesians…”Ever since I heard of your strong faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and your love for God’s people everywhere, I have not stop thanking God for you.” I thank the Lord for you Missy and do keep you in my prayers…your life, your faith is such an encouragement to me.
What a beautiful ministry of the fringes, Sharon! I pray that the Lord continues to bring those into your life, who need to be loved and accepted. Those who “fall between the cracks” and people walk right by in their busy days and do not take notice. Yet, you and your husband have hearts so sensitive to the needs of others. What a blessing God is presenting to you, because He knows your gifts and He knows you are able. Praying for you and this great ministry that is unfolding before you.
Amen to your prayers for Missy. She Knows Him and she is making Him known! I pray for her mission of these sweet young people and all of her children.
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Patti, you are such an encourager…thank you!
3. What prophesy was the Baptist’s father given about him in Luke 1:76-79?
He was told that John would be known as the “prophet of the Most High.”
He would clear the path for the Lord.
He would tell people how to get saved by forgiveness of their sins.
1. How have you seen God in your life this week The Lord is so faithful! Our oldest daughter has been suffering for 14 months with terrible hives….huge patches everywhere on her body, even in her eye, in her mouth, and in her throat twice. She has had trips to Emergency, tons of allergy tests, and finally two infusions, by an immunologist, two weeks ago. Last Friday, after many praying for her, she woke up for the first time in 14 months, with no hives. Praise God for answering prayer. She totally sees this as an answer to prayer! I am so thankful to our Heavenly Father, on so many levels: for her body getting well, for her growing faith in Him, and for the Lord hearing and answering our prayers in His time.
2. Any initial comments on Missy’s story or this “hard saying?” I am so touched by the selfless life Missy is living for Jesus. She is such a light for Jesus, even in the most difficult and challenging times. I have saved this post to re-read in the future. It is one thing to read Missy’s story~ Yet, she is living it! This is one of the most amazing legacies I have ever read. It is so inspiring, because she is truly living His Word. How I pray for Tonio to find Jesus again.
Wow, Patti — I’m so thankful too for Dawn. How terrible and then wonderful. And the answer was prayer!
So glad to hear more of Missy’s story with pictures as well.
I’m looking forward to delving into this hard saying. I don’t think that I have studied this one even though I listened to Tim Keller’s hard saying series on a podcast, I don’t recall it.
3. What prophesy was the Baptist’s father given about him in Luke 1:76-79? That he will prepare the way for the Lord, by giving people the knowledge of salvation through forgiveness of their sins.
4. Read Luke 3:7-9
A. What did he say to the crowds to awaken them here? Find everything you can. That they need to bear good fruit as a sign of their repentance and salvation and not rely on their heritage as a Jew to be their guaranteed ticket to heaven. That the ax is at the root of the tree meaning that things were about to change for the Jewish community and those who did not bear good fruit would be cut down and burned in the fire.
Last week, in loving our enemies, we looked at how we must be both tough and tender. Mostly we see tough from the Baptist, but we can learn from him. Matt Chandler tells about a classmate standing next to him at their lockers and saying, “I need to talk to you about Jesus. When would be a good time?” In the podcast from Tim Keller I referenced above, he is often asked “What is the model of Redeemer.” He said they don’t have a “model” but do first want to show that Christianity is intellectually respectable, then desirable, and then true.
B. What might you learn and incorporate into your life evangelistically from the Baptist, Chandler, or Keller? More boldness in sharing with others.
5. Read Luke 3:18-20 and explain how John the Baptist suffered violence for speaking the truth. He was locked up in prison for pointing out Herod and his sister-in-law’s adultery.
4. Read Luke 3:7-9
A. What did he say to the crowds to awaken them here? Find everything you can.
He called them snakes.
Live your life as you have repented and turned to God; be authentic!
Don’t rely on being children of Abraham.
God can cut you down from your “high horse.”
Produce good fruit.
Is the I can cut you down from your high horse The Message or the Laura paraphrase? 🙂
That would be me 😉. I thought how old I sounded as I wrote it; something my grandma would have said… I wondered if anyone would remember it! Hahaha!
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I love this Laura! Concise and to the point!!
Monday: The Calling of John the Baptist
3. What prophesy was the Baptist’s father given about him in Luke 1:76-79? – He was told that his son would be called a prophet and go before the Most High and prepare the way and tell everyone about salvation and that their sins could be forgiven because of the mercy of God. He was to guide us on to the path of peace.
4. Read Luke 3:7-9
A. What did he say to the crowds to awaken them here? Find everything you can. – He called them a brood of vipers. He told them to produce fruit continually. They can’t lay claim to Abraham as their father and think they can get through to the Lord by him. The Lord is ready to remove them all if they don’t repent for themselves.
Last week, in loving our enemies, we looked at how we must be both tough and tender. Mostly we see tough from the Baptist, but we can learn from him. Matt Chandler tells about a classmate standing next to him at their lockers and saying, “I need to talk to you about Jesus. When would be a good time?” In the podcast from Tim Keller I referenced above, he is often asked “What is the model of Redeemer.” He said they don’t have a “model” but do first want to show that Christianity is intellectually respectable, then desirable, and then true.
B. What might you learn and incorporate into your life evangelistically from the Baptist, Chandler, or Keller? – I see from all three that we can’t back down from our faith, we need to be bold and set that appointment and not wait for someone to come to us and ask but in all of these we need to approach it all with tenderness and respect for the other’s thoughts.
5. Read Luke 3:18-20 and explain how John the Baptist suffered violence for speaking the truth. – Because of his honest rebuke he was thrown in prison.
Monday
3. What prophesy was the Baptist’s father given about him in Luke 1:76-79?
He would be called the prophet of the Most High
He would prepare the way for the Lord
Tell the people how to find salvation through forgiveness of their sins
4. Read Luke 3:7-9
A. What did he say to the crowds to awaken them here? Find everything you can.
He called them a brood of snakes.
He asks them who warned them to flee from the coming wrath.
Tells them to prove by the way they live that they’ve repented of their sins and turned to God.
It doesn’t mean anything or keep you safe to just say you’re descendants of Abraham as God could create children of Abraham from these stones.
Right now the axe of God’s judgement is poised, ready to server the roots of the trees. Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit will be chopped down and thrown into the fire.
Last week, in loving our enemies, we looked at how we must be both tough and tender. Mostly we see tough from the Baptist, but we can learn from him. Matt Chandler tells about a classmate standing next to him at their lockers and saying, “I need to talk to you about Jesus. When would be a good time?” In the podcast from Tim Keller I referenced above, he is often asked “What is the model of Redeemer.” He said they don’t have a “model” but do first want to show that Christianity is intellectually respectable, then desirable, and then true.
B. What might you learn and incorporate into your life evangelistically from the Baptist, Chandler, or Keller?
A sense of urgency…people need the Lord and there may not be a tomorrow.
5. Read Luke 3:18-20 and explain how John the Baptist suffered violence for speaking the truth.
Calling Herod’s sin what it was and doing it publicly he was thrown into prison.
4B. What might you learn and incorporate into your life evangelistically from the Baptist, Chandler, or Keller?
John the Baptist seems a bit crazy to me. Yelling at everyone to repent is brash. would I have believed someone like him at the time? Or would I have thought he was too crazy to believe?
Chandlers approach seems very awkward! I could never do it. It would be like saying, “I would like to talk to you about Amway later…”
I think Keller’s approach is good. He makes the case for Christianity being intellectually respectable, then desirable, and then true. I like the intellectual part, but really don’t know how to convey this. It would take a lot of research to get me to that point. Honestly, I have struggled so much with this issue; feeling like I am trying to talk people into the faith. I have decided to just live it well. Be more authentic. Be joyful. Then maybe they will want what I have. Peace.
5. Read Luke 3:18-20 and explain how John the Baptist suffered violence for speaking the truth.
He was imprisoned and eventually beheaded.
I loved the way Chandler’s friend approached him. I assume they had a close friendship but he hadn’t yet told him the most important thing. It was forthright. I wouldn’t just do that with anyone, and might not be so brave even with a close friend, but I hope I would. But you always make me smile, Laura.
Laura! Your honesty and the way you live your life speak volumes to my heart! Living it well and being authentic, joyful and at peace! Love it!
6. Read Matthew 11:2-6
A. What question does the Baptist send to Jesus? Why do you think he might be confused?
He asks if He is really the Messiah. Well, John is in prison, and being isolated can make a person crazy in the head. It’s how I felt during the first bit of covid. I was teaching to a screen, with no colleagues to bounce ideas off, no students asking questions, etc. I thought I was going crazy! He had heard the things Jesus is doing, but for some reason needed confirmation. Maybe it’s because he doesn’t believe the reports since he can’t see them himself? The original “fake news?”
B. How does Jesus reply? How is this an answer?
Jesus tells John’s disciples to give him eye witness accounts of the blind seeing, the lame walking, the lepers are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the Good News is preached to the poor. He is telling of all the Messiah-like actions that have taken place. Who else could perform miracles such as these? It is the evidence of His holy work. He also tells them that those who don’t lose faith will be blessed.
7. Challenge question: Keller has often said that when you are angry with God over suffering it is because you are religious rather than gospel-oriented. Can you explain why? How do you react to suffering?
You look at yourself and say, “I’m a good person, why is this happening to me?” Well, being a good person is not part of the plan. We are saved by faith, not works. Suffering happens. It is life. I used to wail, now I am at peace about it. God works things out for the good of those who love Him and are called according to His purpose.
God Hunt Sunday:
How have you seen God in your life this week?
We had a very significant church meeting last Wednesday regarding some changes in our ministry approach. When Richard, my husband, became pastor 10 years ago, the church was “operating” on committee-based groupings. Our church is small, and it has been in his heart for a while, along with our deacons, to move towards the team approach. This was the main part of the agenda for the evening. There was a good attendance compared to previous quarterly meetings.
Since some of those attending have not been to the previous meeting in March, some questions brought to the table became off course. I looked at my husband and our moderator and I silently prayed for both to be guided with wisdom and patience.
Many of you know that I shy away from conflicts. They make me uncomfortable and at times defensive inwardly. So it was with a very thankful heart to God that He gave me peace and genuine attentiveness to differing opinions. I also had a deeper appreciation of my husband as a pastor and a deeper understanding of the needs of our members who were present there.
Ministry is not easy, but God has promised His Spirit to always be with us to guide, love others, and humbly serve.
This verse came to mind: “That [our] love will grow more and more in knowledge and depth of insight so that [we] may discern what is best and may be pure and blameless in the day of Christ Jesus.” Philippians 1:9-10
Hey Bing, over the years I have sat through many meetings in small churches. Some have been beautiful and some have not. But one thing that resonated with me is that you said ministry is not easy. You are right, it’s not. In fact my son says ministry is messy. The load a pastor carries in trying to shepherd the sheep is often difficult. And I think especially in the times we live now with many immature Christians (age is not relevant) and a propensity by people to speak and write (on social media) with out thinking first. We live in a time when people take excessive liberty in expressing their opinions. Few understand the need and process to evaluate and find consensus as a group. It take plenty of wisdom from the Holy Spirit to lead and love the unruly sheep. God bless you in you support of your hubby and his leadership and meeting the call to prayer for him and his ministry. A good friend of my husband and I who is pastor of a very large church joked with me that the ministry would be a really great thing if it weren’t for the people. Yep it’s messy but God will be faithful to lead and answer prayers. I so appreciate your heart.
Bev, your response meant so much to me. This one is so true and the longer we are in church ministry, the more I strive to stay close to God. I have to let go of “self” and trust God to continue to preserve us. “We live in a time when people take excessive liberty in expressing their opinions. Few understand the need and process to evaluate and find consensus as a group.”
Thank you for your valuable insight into pastoral ministry. I need to hear it as it can be pretty lonely at times. Your words turn me toward the hope we have in Christ amidst the reality of earthly life.
Huge God hunt, Bing!
Any initial comments on Missy’s story or this “hard saying?”
Missy’s story filled me with awe at how God can use one person, fully sold out to God, to do great things in His name.
This is one hard saying that I do not remember ever reading in the past! I was struck by this thought as it reminded me that Satan is only temporarily prince. And that suffering is part of advancing God’s kingdom.
“We live in a world where Satan is temporarily prince. He opposes all that is good. He has his helpers both in the demonic and the human world. He has no mercy, going after the vulnerable. If we are going to be passionate about advancing the kingdom, we will also suffer, but only temporarily.”
Tuesday
6. Read Matthew 11:2-6
A. What question does the Baptist send to Jesus? Ask Jesus if He’s the Messiah we’ve been expecting or should we look for someone else?Why do you think he might be confused? I wonder if John thought of Jesus as more of a political deliverer of Israel, didn’t have a clear understanding of His ministry and therefore expected Him to get him out of prison. And because of him being in prison confusion may of set in in regards to the prophecy spoken about the Messiah.
B. How does Jesus reply? He tells John’s disciples to go tell John of all the healing He’s done, raising the dead to life and preaching the good news to the poor. He then adds, God blesses those who do not fall away because of Me. How is this an answer? He’s letting John know who He really is through what He is doing, This may jog John’s mind in remembering prophecy and that Jesus’s power would be displayed through His humble acts of service, not as a political deliverer of Israel.
“Blessed is he who can be left in prison, can be silenced in his testimony, can seem to be deserted of his Lord, and yet can shut out every doubt. John speedily regained this blessedness, and fully recovered his serenity.” (Spurgeon)
7. Challenge question: Keller has often said that when you are angry with God over suffering it is because you are religious rather than gospel-oriented. Can you explain why? Because you’re expecting God to do something for you rather than do something within you. How do you react to suffering? I really try (not always successful) to ask God to show me what He’s teaching me and that I will grow and glorify Him.
Monday: The Calling of John the Baptist
3. What prophesy was the Baptist’s father given about him in Luke 1:76-79?
—That he would be called a prophet of God the Most High because he would go before the Lord, meaning
the Messiah, and preparing the way for Him who would bring salvation and forgiveness of sins to the people.
John would be part of the sunrise or dawning of a new time specifically for the Jewish people with the coming of the Christ bringing light to those in sin and darkness and to guide them into the way of peace.
4. Read Luke 3:7-9
A. What did he say to the crowds to awaken them here? Find everything you can.
—He referred to them as a bunch of snakes questioning who warned them to flee from the wrath to come. He called them to change their lives by repenting from their old ways of living. He challenged them not to fall back on their “religion” by claiming they were children of Abraham so that made them acceptable to God. John was saying accountability had come to them and if they weren’t bearing fruit in their lives in keeping with repentance the axe of judgement was ready to cut them off.
Last week, in loving our enemies, we looked at how we must be both tough and tender. Mostly we see tough from the Baptist, but we can learn from him. Matt Chandler tells about a classmate standing next to him at their lockers and saying, “I need to talk to you about Jesus. When would be a good time?” In the podcast from Tim Keller I referenced above, he is often asked “What is the model of Redeemer.” He said they don’t have a “model” but do first want to show that Christianity is intellectually respectable, then desirable, and then true.
—I need to hear Keller’s comments on Heston’s portrayal of John the Baptist. I’m not sure I ever saw this movie or I have forgotten but it is certainly a very rough portrayal of John as an angry and out of control man. When you read on down in the passage and the crowds ask him what they need to do “how to bear fruit” his instructions basically refer them to acts of kindness as evidence of changed hearts.
John was a man who spoke the truth to the people but I doubt he was out of control yelling randomly. And I find it interesting that the name John means grace of God. He was certainly bringing a message of grace to the people even in his strong truth telling and confronting their heart’s spiritual needs.
B. What might you learn and incorporate into your life evangelistically from the Baptist, Chandler, or Keller?
I would say it is important to be truth telling and clear about the gospel but it is equally important to be living out the gospel in my actions. That means practicing kindness and showing grace to those in the need of a Savior. Living before them in ways that I’m not just being a good person but caring about them and helping them in anyway I possibly can.
5. Read Luke 3:18-20 and explain how John the Baptist suffered violence for speaking the truth.
John had spoken out against Herod’s sin of taking his brother’s wife and living in adultery along with other evil acts. As a result Herod threw John into prison just adding to his evil ways.
I agree with you on the movie clips, Bev.
Amen to you, Bev and to Dee on the film clip…and many other film portrayals are similar…. From scripture, from the relationship of Elizabeth and Mary, I see John as a strong man of God, but not a violent “bully for God.” I see him a bit more gentle, yet not gentle like Jesus~ Strong and firm ..and maybe loud~ he drew many people to be baptized….I am sure that he had a strong presence, as he was announcing the coming of Christ.
Monday: The Calling of John the Baptist
Jesus spoke this hard saying in the context of the life of John the Baptist. Keller refers to this clip from The Greatest Story Ever Told with Charleton Heston playing the Baptist.
3. What prophesy was the Baptist’s father given about him in Luke 1:76-79?
John will become the prophet of the Most High; prepare the way for Jesus, to proclaim salvation through the forgiveness of sins, to shine on those living in darkness and in the shadow of death to bring them to God’s peace.
4. Read Luke 3:7-9
A. What did he say to the crowds to awaken them here? Find everything you can.
He called them a brood of vipers. That they need to see they are objects of God’s wrath. He called them to repentance and show its fruit. He sneered at their prideful claim of being Abraham’s descendants and that it is all they need. He used the metaphor of the ax being at the root of the tree and ready to cut it down if it does not bear fruit and be thrown into the fire.
This would have incensed the crowds. I have heard that vipers eat their young and to be likened to them would not be in any way complimentary. John the Baptist was very tough to the stubborn of hearts.
Last week, in loving our enemies, we looked at how we must be both tough and tender. Mostly we see tough from the Baptist, but we can learn from him. Matt Chandler tells about a classmate standing next to him at their lockers and saying, “I need to talk to you about Jesus. When would be a good time?” In the podcast from Tim Keller I referenced above, he is often asked “What is the model of Redeemer.” He said they don’t have a “model” but do first want to show that Christianity is intellectually respectable, then desirable, and then true.
B. What might you learn and incorporate into your life evangelistically from the Baptist, Chandler, or Keller?
My life should reflect the phrase” walk the talk” (Chandler, for the tender part). From the Baptist, to stand for truth no matter the cost (tough), and from Keller, to be able to engage the mind of the person I am sharing the gospel with.
2. Read Luke 3:18-20 and explain how John the Baptist suffered violence for speaking the truth.
He was locked up in prison by Herod. And later was beheaded.
Tuesday: The Confusion of John the Baptist
Why do those who seem most passionate about promoting the kingdom so often seem to encounter the most trouble? I believe it is because they have rattled Satan. Did you catch this last week from our Missy?
Oh, such faith that God strengthens Missy with! I would have buckled underneath the strain of having to face such things. I am going through some things very small compared to Missy’s troubles and her testimony is such a lift to my faith.
In the opening of Matthew 11, the same chapter as this “hard saying,” we see confusion in John. He’s been serving the Lord passionately and now he is in prison.
6. Read Matthew 11:2-6
A. What question does the Baptist send to Jesus? Why do you think he might be confused?
Are you the one who is to come, or should we expect someone else? I need to remember that the Baptist is a cousin to Jesus. And Jesus was also teaching and preaching just as the Baptist is doing. John might be asking himself if what he is doing is worth the suffering he is going through. He wants to make sure that his suffering is not of naught. He may not be seeing the upside-down kingdom that Jesus is ushering in. Just like so many like me. It takes time to grasp Jesus’ radical ways.
B. How does Jesus reply? How is this an answer?
Tell John what you have seen and heard, “The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy[are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is proclaimed to the poor. Blessed is anyone who does not stumble on account of me.” Fulfillment of the prophecy in Isaiah 35:5 Yes, the one who is to come is here!
7. Challenge question: Keller has often said that when you are angry with God over suffering it is because you are religious rather than gospel-oriented. Can you explain why? How do you react to suffering?
Religion says you will have a good life if you do this and that. You should not suffer if you do xyz. Gospel orientation is acknowledging that suffering will be part of a godly life as we imitate our brother, Jesus Christ.
I often ask God when I suffer. I start doubting his love for me. I am learning to welcome suffering as a “given” that in time, may leave (temporarily and come again) and will leave forever when Jesus comes again. I should not be surprised. Like Peter says in I Peter 4: 12-13, “Do not be surprised when you encounter fiery trails as though something strange is happening to you. But rejoice in sharing in Christ suffering…”
3. What prophesy was the Baptist’s father given about him in Luke 1:76-79?
“ And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Most High; For you will go on BEFORE THE LORD TO PREPARE HIS WAYS. To give His people the knowledge of salvation By the forgiveness of their sins, Because of the tender mercy of our God, With which the Sunrise from on high will visit us, TO SHINE UPON THOSE WHO SIT IN DARKNESS AND THE SHADOW OF DEATH To guide our feet into the ways of peace.”
4. Read Luke 3:7-9
A. What did he say to the crowds to awaken them here? Find everything you can.
You brood of vipers(sinners); the wrath to come (judgment); the axe is already laid at the root of the tree (judgment); so every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown in the fire.(repentance is necessary in order for true baptism). Just the act of baptism of water, without heart repentance, is not enough…it is just another empty act. Going through the motions without the meaning. It is the spiritual act of repentance and baptism that is important. If one only has a physical baptism, not a spiritual baptism, it is just a ritual.
From Patti:
If one only has a physical baptism, not a spiritual baptism, it is just a ritual.
Wednesday
8. Read Matthew 11:7-12
A. How does Jesus challenge their expectations of greatness in verses 7-8?
He asks them what kind of man did they go into the wilderness to see? Was John a weak reed, swayed by every breath of wind? Were they expecting to see a man dressed in expensive clothes? No, they would live in palaces.
Just because John was different, had strong convictions and wasn’t dressed expensively didn’t mean he wasn’t great.
B. How does our world define greatness?
Someone who is rich, successful and says what everybody wants to hear.
C. What does Jesus say about John in verses 9-11?
He was more than a prophet, the scriptures referred to him in saying, “Look, I am sending my messenger ahead of you, and he will prepare your way before you”, there is none greater than John the Baptist.
6. Read Matthew 11:2-6
A. What question does the Baptist send to Jesus? Are you the coming One or should we look for another?
Why do you think he might be confused? Because the prophesy that the Messiah was going to be ruler and king was always interpreted as he was going to overthrow the government and rule in this world. Also it could be that because John the Baptist’s life was not going in a positive direction it caused him to question whether he was mistaken or being deceived by Satan into going down the wrong path.
B. How does Jesus reply? “Go and report to John what you hear and see: those who are blind receive sight and those who limp walk, those with leprosy are cleansed and those who are deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. And blessed is any person who does not take offense at Me.”
How is this an answer? It points to prophecy being fulfilled. My first thought was that Jesus just could have just said, “Yes”, but I guess that the answer that he gives would cause one to delve into scripture and come to their own conclusion.
7. Challenge question: Keller has often said that when you are angry with God over suffering it is because you are religious rather than gospel-oriented. Can you explain why? Because that is the equivalent of saying I’m doing the best that I can to do what’s right, and you (God) owe me a smooth life. How do you react to suffering? I used to think that if I was suffering then it was because of some unacknowledged sin in my life or that I was not seeking God’s will for my life and He was allowing this to show me that I was on the wrong path. I’ve come to learn that this is not the case. When I have been suffering greatly I know that it is something that God has allowed into my life. I am honest with him about how it is affecting me and how I feel, but also with acknowledgement that He is in control and has a purpose for everything that happens in my life.
Beautiful from Dawn:
I used to think that if I was suffering then it was because of some unacknowledged sin in my life or that I was not seeking God’s will for my life and He was allowing this to show me that I was on the wrong path. I’ve come to learn that this is not the case. When I have been suffering greatly I know that it is something that God has allowed into my life. I am honest with him about how it is affecting me and how I feel, but also with acknowledgement that He is in control and has a purpose for everything that happens in my life.
8. Read Matthew 11:7-12
A. How does Jesus challenge their expectations of greatness in verses 7-8?
He asks what kind of man they were expecting to see? One who is fearful or one who is “soft?” Soft here means one who wears rich clothing.
B. How does our world define greatness?
By wealth.
C. What does Jesus say about John in verses 9-11?
He is a great man, a prophet, even more than a great prophet. He prepares the way for you. There is none greater than John except anyone who is in heaven.
D. From what you’ve learned so far, what do you think verse 12 means?
I think it means they were spreading the Word through every condition, no matter what. Those who did not want to listen didn’t, or they attacked it.
9. Where is God challenging you to go against the flow? What changes might you make to do so?
I’m not sure about this right now. I suppose it is in my everyday life. To make me a more authentic Christian. One who walks the walk. I am going through an internal change.
Wednesday: Going against the flow
Missy is such a beautiful example of going against the flow of the world. She is certainly not conformed to the values this world has but has her eyes focused on the kingdom. Here Jesus says the same of John the Baptist.
Yes, Missy is a beautiful example, indeed.
8. Read Matthew 11:7-12
A. How does Jesus challenge their expectations of greatness in verses 7-8?
Jesus challenges their definition of greatness based on outward appearance ( a reed or somebody in fine clothing). I was interested in the reference to a reed and looked it up. The commenter said that the use of the word may refer to The Baptist’ way of gesturing with his hands or that the Jews may be considering The Baptist as an unstable man.
B. How does our world define greatness?
People often equate greatness with being popular, having social standing, and being in vogue with the times and fashion. But not so with Jesus.
C. What does Jesus say about John in verses 9-11?
He is a prophet and nobody born of women can be compared to The Baptist.
D. From what you’ve learned so far, what do you think verse 12 means?
“From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence, and violent people have been raiding it.”
Suffering will come to those who are of the kingdom of God. And the enemy uses people to cause suffering through violent acts.
9. Where is God challenging you to go against the flow? What changes might you make to do so?
I have always been a pacifist. I don’t like rocking the boat or being like some of my cousins who were activists. I have a cousin who was married to a radical activist; he was hunted by the government, wrongly accused, and killed while sleeping along with his comrades. He stood for the Filipino poor, carried firearms, and was part of a militant group. He used art to speak for the poor. My daughter has one of his art pieces. He did go against the flow of what he thought was the oppression of the poor and lost his life in the process. I am not privy to all the circumstances but have asked myself periodically what I would have done if saw what he saw among the poorest of the poor.
I can’t really put a thumb yet on the changes God wants me to do in terms of going against the flow. I need am asking for the Spirit’s leadership and boldness in this regard.
Wednesday
D. From what you’ve learned so far, what do you think verse 12 means?
Starting from the time of John the Baptist preaching and the ministry of Jesus the kingdom of Heaven has been forcibly advancing, and violent people are attacking it.
I thought of our Revelation study where we learned that the end time kingdom arrives in the person of Jesus Christ and all the suffering that is spoken of in Revelation is taking place now…throughout church history until the second coming of Christ we’re in a spiritual battle. We will be persecuted because of our love and faith in Christ Jesus. But “God promises if we remain faithful even through suffering in a human sense, we’ll be kept spiritually safe.” (Campbell)
9. Where is God challenging you to go against the flow? What changes might you make to do so?
I feel He’s challenging me to go against the flow with my family, being more open in sharing the gospel and challenging them (my children) in their Christian walk. I think I can do this in asking them if their lives reflect Jesus, would Jesus be pleased with how they’re living and of course in love.
That’s such a good parallel with Revelation!
Thursday/Friday
10. In the opening I shared my thoughts on ways this hard saying has been misused in wars, politics, and defining masculinity. I’d love to hear your thoughts.
I would totally agree! I think in putting this scripture in context and aligning it with the rest of scripture it is speaking of what we as Christians can expect, suffering, violence when we chose to “know God and make Him known.” Christ brought into place an upside down way of living and the world without the Holy Spirit will fight against that and puts us in a place of us being against the world.
Tuesday: The Confusion of John the Baptist
In the opening of Matthew 11, the same chapter as this “hard saying,” we see confusion in John. He’s been serving the Lord passionately and now he is in prison.
6. Read Matthew 11:2-6
A. What question does the Baptist send to Jesus?
—He asked “Are you the one who has come, or should we look for another.”
Warren Wiersbe has some enlightening thoughts on why John asked about “another “.
“John had been in prison a long time now (see 4:12). Why did John doubt Christ’s kingship when he had been told by the Spirit who Christ was? (John 1:29-34) The answer is in the word “another” in John’s question, “Or, do we look for another?” (v. 3) There are two words in the Gk. for “another.” One means “another of the same kind,” as when Jesus said, “He shall give you another Comforter” (14:16). The word used in Matt. 11:3 is “another of a different kind.” John had announced the coming of the King and had promised a time of judgment and purging (Matt. 3:7-12); yet Jesus was having a ministry of mercy. John asked, “Are You the Messiah, or do we look for another of a different kind–one who will purge the nation and judge sin?” Long months in prison undoubtedly had dimmed John’s vision, not unlike the OT Elijah in whose spirit John had come.
Why do you think he might be confused?
—Taking Wiersbe’s thoughts into consideration so far Jesus had just been doing acts of kindness and healing people. The works he displayed were miraculous and he had a winsome accepting demeanor for people that drew them to him.
But Jesus wasn’t acting in a way that gave indication he was moving in a direction to take his place as a powerful king and overthrow the powers of darkness and set up his own earthly kingdom as the rightful Messiah.
B. How does Jesus reply? How is this an answer?
—It would seem he was pointing out the miraculous works he was doing which verified Who he was as God’s Son. Isaiah had prophesied in 35:5-6
“Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf unstopped; then shall the lame man leap like a deer, and the tongue of the mute sing for joy…..”
I think He was reassuring John of Who he was which John needed after sitting in prison wondering when the Kingdom of God would be established and perhaps why it wasn’t happening sooner. He would have had no clue as to God’s plan for the church to be formed in the ensuing years. It was a mystery not yet revealed.
7. Challenge question: Keller has often said that when you are angry with God over suffering it is because you are religious rather than gospel-oriented. Can you explain why? How do you react to suffering?
—I find it interesting that the reason Keller gives for my anger against God is because I am religious. I would never have seen it that way. But I do agree with his premise. When suffering comes especially if it is caused by persecution from injustice it feels so unjust and I don’t see myself deserving of trouble in that case. I want justice to be served. Sadly because I think I am “good enough” in other words religious so I should be above suffering from any wrongdoing.
—I would say I don’t suffer very well. I may not get angry at God per se but it just often seems to be so counter to anything good. I find I want to be done with it and free from it. It is so counter to my human nature and I often lack vision for what God may be doing or even can do through it. Even though it may seem like it suffering is never random with God. He always has a plan in place to redeem what ever is happening for our good and his glory. That requires putting my faith in and trusting Him more fully.
Interesting thoughts from Wiersbe, Bev!
Wednesday: Going Against the Flow
8. Read Matthew 11:7-12
A. How does Jesus challenge their expectations of greatness in verses 7-8?
—Jesus questioned their thinking regarding what kind of man John was and who they expected him to be. Did they think he was just coming and going indiscriminately without conviction (a reed blowing in the wind) or some one in position of fame and luxury ( a man living in a palace).
B. How does our world define greatness?
—The world looks for and expects wealth, power of position and influence, intellect and even physical attractiveness.
C. What does Jesus say about John in verses 9-11?
—He clearly states that John is a prophet of great stature even referred to by Scripture and chosen by God to be his messenger to prepare the way for the Messiah. He is the culmination of all prophets before him. But Jesus says the lowest person in the Kingdom of God has a greater place than John. This is kind of hard to understand. John was used by God to fulfill a tremendously great mission but God is placing very great value on the least person who accepts Jesus as their Savior and becomes part of the body of Christ, the church.
D. From what you’ve learned so what do you think verse 12 means?
—It would seem with the onset of John’s ministry and his preaching of repentance to the people in order to become part of Gods kingdom,the Heavenly kingdom, was rising among a people hungry to know God and turning the old system of “religion” on its ear. The old religious system of law keeping that was propagated by the religious leaders of that day was bring challenged. The new kingdom was experiencing upheaval and was radically changing things (suffering violence). John leading the way for Jesus and his followers were a force like never before to be reckoned with as they took hold of this new Heavenly kingdom.
9. Where is God challenging you to go against the flow? What changes might you make to do so?
—I’m not sure. At least not actively in a visible way. I stand for Christian values and have a biblical world view but I live in a very small community. I am known for what I believe but we live in a place my son calls “Nebraska nice “. We don’t rock boats and just want to get along with people. It’s the nice thing to do. Radicals are not appreciated. It is a totally different culture. Underneath someone may completely disagree with you but will probably just avoid disagreement. I have neighbors on my street who are very liberal in their views but would never argue with me.
I think my going against the flow for here for now involves how I live out what I believe. Practicing God’s grace where at all possible and being kind. Ready to share the gospel where God gives me opportunity.
But the culture of liberal thinking and death is crowding in and I believe a time is right around the corner where even a believer in the middle of Nebraska will be affected by laws which could put us in direct conflict with the flow. It is happening right now in our state capital the city of Lincoln which has extremely liberal politicians in place now. The city council has begun rewriting some municipal codes relating to sexual orientation and are putting in place very liberal language so that anyone who disagrees with their definitions by will be subject to $10,000 to $50,000 fines for violating their codes. It has to do with pastors and individuals who might try to counsel someone away from gender transitioning or a business (like a baker) unwilling to comply with doing business for a gay couple. So it has all come to our very doorstep.
—Good questions. I don’t think changes at this point are what God is requiring of me. But rather I think the question will come in staying the course and standing strong against evil and our enemy Satan. In this world I’m already going against the flow by belonging to and serving Jesus.
8. Read Matthew 11:7-12
A. How does Jesus challenge their expectations of greatness in verses 7-8?
Jesus is telling the crowd that they need to do more than see what is on the surface; the character of the man is not necessarily to be judged by his outward appearance. John is going to those on the fringes, not to the rich and powerful. He has the most important message, regardless of his attire.
B. How does our world define greatness?
Attractive, well dressed, “rock star” personality, refined, with great charisma, popular, perhaps athletic, brilliant and articulate. One who appeals to what the masses want to hear.
C. What does Jesus say about John in verses 9-11?
John is more than a prophet, he is the fulfillment of the prophecy. He has come in as a humble man, yet no one before him is greater, as John is the foretold messenger announcing the arrival of Jesus.
D. From what you’ve learned so far, what do you think verse 12 means? I think Sharon covered this so well. I totally agree with her statement: “I thought of our Revelation study where we learned that the end time kingdom arrives in the person of Jesus Christ and all the suffering that is spoken of in Revelation is taking place now…throughout church history until the second coming of Christ we’re in a spiritual battle. We will be persecuted because of our love and faith in Christ Jesus. But “God promises if we remain faithful even through suffering in a human sense, we’ll be kept spiritually safe.” (Campbell)
Living in an area that is beyond extremely liberal, where we are almost fearful of stating our thoughts as Christians, the Bible believing churches are even talking about the persecution of churches being set on fire if they do not agree with the current liberal agenda on many things! So many Christians have moved out of this state, due to a more subtle spiritual violence and even physical violence against Christians and Christian institutions.
9. Where is God challenging you to go against the flow? What changes might you make to do so?
I tend to want to just stay in touch with those I know well……who I feel safe speaking with. We live in a very eclectic community. Christians are definitely in the minority….this is not Bev’s “nice Nebraska” ~ this is super liberal Washington state…one does not feel free to express one’s feelings anywhere and it has really caused people to act with caution. Our immediate neighborhood is filled with younger families now….a few of us “older” original families are still here…We do have very lovely neighbors from all over the world. I love the diversity of cultures and all of those in our immediate community are lovely family oriented people. It is a bit going against the flow to connect, as some tech people tend to not get involved with neighbors. I love to meet the new neighbors and their kids… kids always love the pups, so that is a good conversation starting to meet new neighbors. 🙂
Patti, Interesting to hear your assessment of living in Washington state. Our youngest daughter and her husband sold their home in Renton next to Seattle 3 yrs ago and have ended up in Montana. My son-in-law was at one time working in I T at the Starbucks headquarters downtown Seattle. They decided they could not be comfortable raising their two little boys in the culture and political environment of that area. Our son-in-law at work had to be careful and measure every word he spoke. Interestingly though the hardest part of leaving was the wonderful church they attended and were actively involved with in Belleview.
We are in Issaquah/Bellevue area on Cougar Mountain (just north of Renton)and I totally understand why your daughter and son in law moved to Montana. If our children were young, we would do the same. We are in a wonderful church, but Bible believing churches are becoming scarce here. We are thankful for strong Christian friends. Our kids all left Washington for similar reasons.
Thursday/Friday
11. If you listened to the interview of Tim Keller on The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, please share your comments.
I only listened once and I’m sure if I listened again I’d glean more from it. What stood out to me the most and probably because of personal experience is the importance of accountability. Keller, being part of the Presbyterian denomination was accountable to them and their by-laws. Mark Driscoll belonged to no denomination and therefore could really do whatever he wanted to. There were no checks and balances as to what he preached, theology he followed or how he set up ministries. Sadly, I think this is happening in a lot of churches today. When we started our church, 7 families, we had discussions about whether we wanted to be part of a denomination and since we had all come out of a Nazarene Church we decided that we wanted to stay with them mainly because of accountability. When I was little my parents attended a non-denominational church and it ended up splitting because of disagreement in theology. I know Dee that you attend a home church and I would be interested to know what y’all do about accountability, what are your checks and balances? Please know that I’m not saying all non-denominational churches are “bad” but rather I think more care needs to be taken, asking for a statement of faith and making sure that it’s followed.
I also found it interesting that Gospel Coalition wanted Driscoll to be a part of them because he was dynamic, was successful and popular. Maybe they got too caught up in the worldly view of success. It tells me that we as individuals most know the Word and ask for discernment in who we listen to, what group we may follow regardless of what denomination they may or may not be part of.
I liked that too, Sharon. And I liked his red and white corpuscles analogy.
Yes Dee, I liked the corpuscle example as well. That’s one thing I like about our community is that the pastors work together, meet and pray, which leads to supporting one another. We all realize that reaching people with the gospel is the goal we all have and it’s not about competition.
That is so beautiful and I fear, rare.
The pastors in our community also meet monthly. I think this is a good thing.
Sharon, I love all that you shared here. I found Tim Keller’s interview to be so important. Love this: “Yes, the statement of faith and making sure it is followed” is huge. We were part of a church plant in the early 90’s. Thankfully, it went well and the church grew and was good. We went back to our original church, once the church was a substantial size. In later years, they did have some accountability issues, but it is doing well now.
10. In the opening I shared my thoughts on ways this hard saying has been misused in wars, politics, and defining masculinity. I’d love to hear your thoughts.
I believe the saying is telling us that we will be persecuted for our beliefs. It’s happening right now in our own country with the social agenda of the far left. If you stand for life, no abortion, you are hated. Even though the moment the umbilical cord is formed, oxygen and nutrients are being received by the baby, and this represents a human characteristic right? Many of these people are Christians. If you stand for children being allowed to be children (no gay, trans, etc. ideas forced upon them), then you are hated. Some Christians believe scripture in both the OT and the NT that says men should not lie down with men or women with women. We are hated and homophones. Not true. We just believe in God more than earthly ways.
11. If you listened to the interview of Tim Keller on The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, please share your comments.
I listened and learned some things about TK I did not know. I think he is spot on about having checks and balances in churches. It is a must or bad things can play out like with Driscoll.
Thursday-Friday: What This Statement Does Not Mean
10. In the opening I shared my thoughts on ways this hard saying has been misused in wars, politics, and defining masculinity. I’d love to hear your thoughts.
—Dee, I can simply say I share the same view as you do concerning war.
—Where politics are concerned taking a violent position to achieve your desired ends seems like just out right foolishness to me. I would say Jesus is the supreme example for us in that regard. He in no way entered into the political struggle of his own time on earth to overthrow or change it. And he has made it plain he will address and settle that whole issue at his second coming when he takes his rightful place as King of Kings.
—Concerning masculinity to take an aggressive or violent position is in my opinion abusive and totally unbiblical when again based on the actions of Jesus.
He never ever demonstrated such behaviors in his own earthly life. Rather he was the picture of grace and a godly life well lived.
11. If you listened to the interview of Tim Keller on The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, please share your comments.
—I loved the interview with Keller. My husband and I have a long history of church experience involving church planting and being part of the evangelical community as it has progressed from the 1970s to the present day. We’ve watched the rise and fall of many a man or woman in ministry and observed churches in their various stages of growth or even stagnation. I’ve been involved with a number para church organizations through the years.
Many things he said resonated with me. Gave me perspective on what I have seen and experienced in my years of church going and involvement.
His thoughts on Secularism’s influence on the church and the therapeutic self were of particular interest to me. My daughter and I had a very meaningful conversation yesterday about the self-indulgent attitudes and perspective of today’s college age young people and the extreme self focus that our culture has fed quite successfully into many. But a deep emptiness and depression is rampant among them. Recent surveys by Barna and others show that it is at its worst in the non religious young white single males.
But Keller’s observations concerning mistaking gifts for graces was also interesting insight into the ability of a charismatic personality being able to lead great numbers of people while lacking spiritual graces. How often we have seen that occur in the Evangelical Christian movement demonstrated clearly with Mark Driscoll. Keller and his interviewer did a good job of outlining the importance of accountability and most importantly a close personal walk with God.
Bev, I’m so glad you brought out Keller’s observation about mistaking gifts for graces as that is something I never thought about and listening thought…he is so right, we tend to get caught up in what the person is “doing” rather than looking at their character.
Amen to Sharon’s comment, Bev:… the ability of a charismatic personality being able to lead great numbers of people while lacking spiritual graces.
Loved your wise reflections based on all your experience, Bev.
Bev, I appreciate your reflections. I got behind in many things but did get to listen to Tim Keller. I have my notes but I need to listen again. He has some great insights:
gifts vs grace
doing vs being
the accountability piece
I pray these things for my husband/pastor. God has kept impressing in both of our hearts lately to be looking for people to “pass the baton” to in terms of pastoral ministry. There is a young pastor close to our town who is bi-vocational as well. We really like him when he was our guest speaker twice in the past. I like his wife, too. 🙂 Praying for clarity of timing and to continue to be led by the Spirit.
The discipline of God Hunt that Dee introduced to us has been such a blessing to me. Altogether, it has put my thanksgiving on a different, better, Spirit-inspired level and the confidence that truly God hears us and desires His best will in our lives.
11. If you listened to the interview of Tim Keller on The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill, please share your comments.
First of all, I loved so much of what both Bev and Sharon wrote about leadership responsibilities in churches and church planting! Thank you both!
This interview is excellent. The last ten minutes were very compelling. I appreciate Keller’s humility and the importance he places on accountability. He made some great points.
1.) Mistaking gifts for grace: Spiritual gift are your talents, what you do. Spiritual grace speaks to character traits, who you are.
2.) It is natural in our culture to not look at “being”, but to do at “doing.”
3.) We often focus more on the “talent” (and maybe charisma) of leaders than the “character” of leaders.
4.) A person can be effective at preaching, but have sin in his life, while preaching God’s Word. Often many are attracting by his eloquent words and see only this person’s gifts. That is because they cannot not see behind the curtain. People close to this type of person can see the “Lack of Spiritual Fruit” (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control) Lack of these characteristics can result in abuse, anger, vengeance, pride, and self centric behavior).
5.) Love this quote by Keller: ” Good leaders need to be growing in grace, with not getting an inflated ego or blind spots. You need someone in your life to hold you accountable.”
6.) Exhort one another daily, lest you be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.
7.) You must have fellowship with God more than anything else. When you experience God’s love, all else pales~ you do not want to lose that. thus: Accountability is necessary
All of this applies to all of us, but so so important when you are in the position of leadership.
Patti, appreciated all your observations and caused me to remember a conversation I had with my father-in-law who was a preacher before he passed. He started seeing a trend in seminaries of developing preachers rather than pastors…lacking being taught the importance of spiritual gifts as well.
Sharon, Your father in law sounds like an amazing and gifted man of God. Yes, that trend makes it sound too much like a “business of church” rather than a Shepherd of God’s people. Your father in law and your parents certainly sound like wonderful Shepherds for Jesus. You have a great family legacy.
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