Nashville got a record snowfall of over 7 inches that crippled the city and postponed Paige’s lecture on Daniel 2 until next week. At first, I thought, Oh no! But I reminded myself of God’s sovereignty and asked for prayer. Then I remembered how much I’d loved Tim Keller’s sermon on Daniel 2, and thought: Perfect! Double edification and so intriguing to see how these two wonderful teachers approach Daniel 2 differently.
I am also going to try something different on the blog — instead of going day by day, you’ll have a week to complete the lecture and the questions, so pace yourself. Here is the link to Keller’s sermon.
https://gospelinlife.com/sermon/the-dream-of-the-kingdom/
Everybody does the questions in green. Keller is easier than Paige, so I’ve taken the liberty of coloring a few more in green.
Then you can skip or do any questions in black.
Icebreaker: Where are you mixing with unbelievers in the world?
Thursday through Tuesday (1/18 to 1/23)
Point 1: What do Daniel’s Two Names Mean? (Keller refers back to Daniel 1 and to Jeremiah)
1. Read Jeremiah 29:4-14. What stands out to you and why?
2. Listen to Keller for the first 25 minutes until he gets to his second point (What does the dream mean?) and share what stands out to you and why.
3. What does the name Daniel mean — and what does Belteshazzar mean? How might this signify being in the world but not of it?
4. Keller gave the example of being a Christian actor in New York. You must ask the question: What kind of roles can I take or not take?” He said if you don’t ask questions you assimilate, and if you insist on rules you are a separatist. Comment. How might you apply this?
5. What did Daniel have to do to become a wise man in Babylon? (Daniel 1: 4 & 2:27) Application?
6. How did Keller say we can be in the world but not of it? (Jeremiah 29:7) Application?
Point 2: What does the dream mean?
8. Read Daniel 2:1-23
A. What stood out to you from this passage and why?
B. What had upset the King and then what upset the servants? (vs. 1-13)
C. What did Daniel do in response? (vs. 14-19)
D. What did Daniel know about God? (vs. 21-23)
9. Read Daniel 2:24-35 (Keller’s 1st reading)
A. What stood out to you from this passage and why?
B. What does Daniel tell Nebuchadnezzar about who can interpret the dream and why?
C. Describe the 4 parts of the statue.
D. Describe the rock that struck the whole statue.
10. Read Daniel 2:36-43 and tell what stands out to you and why.
11. Listen to Keller up to “What is the meaning of the rock?” (Ends at about 34:25) and share what stood out to you and why.
12. I loved it when he said the interpretation is much simpler than many would have us believe — for there have been some “end times” books that have identified the different parts of the statue with contemporary “kingdoms” to make their point that now is the time Jesus will return. Have you read any of those? Thoughts? (He doesn’t explain what the different parts of the statue represent, though the movie The Book of Daniel alluded to it, and hopefully Paige will next week.)
13. Why did he say Nebuchadnezzar was so upset by the dream?
14. What are some various “foundations” that people trust in so that they might be dazzling? Which ones are most tempting to you?
15. What was Abraham’s foundation according to Hebrews 11:8-10?
Point 3. What is the meaning of the rock?
16. Read Daniel 2:44-49 and share what stands out to you and why.
17. Listen to Keller to the end and share what stands out to you and why.
18. Why did Keller say Nebuchadnezzar’s response showed he didn’t get it?
19. Who is the Rock and what is different between His first coming and His second?
20. What does it mean that we live in the now and the not yet? For our churches? For our lives?
21. How is Jesus the ultimate dazzling figure?
22. Keller didn’t bring this out, and I don’t if Paige will, but when I was studying Song of Songs to write a book, I was so struck by interpretations of Song of Songs 5:14-15 when the bride describes her ultimate Bridegroom, and how different this “statue” is than the one in Nebuchadnezzar’s dream. See if you can see the difference.
23. What is your take-a-way, your application, and why?
On Wednesday remember to listen and take notes to the first 15 minutes of Paige, and I’ll post questions the next morning.
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Keller’s teaching was very enlightening.
1. God’s instructions, via Jeremiah’s letter, were opposite of what the captives would have expected. They were told to settle in, thrive, and pray for Babylon. Sill maintaining their identity, they were to wholeheartedly become a part of their new c0mmunity. It would be hard not to rebel against captivity, normal reaction would be to look for a way to escape.
2. What stood out to me was the application to Christians today of being actively involved in our communities not separate. There are so many implications for us. For me personally, as a retire with grown children, I find I have to look harder for opportunities to be involved.
3. Daniel means “God is my judge” Belteshazzer means “whom Bel favors” or “Bel is my God” Daniel remembered who he was even though he was in a country hostile to God. He never lost his true identity.
4. So many areas in our society have become toxic that I find myself avoiding discussion or even thinking about divisive issues. I’m retired, so why get involved? I see now that’s a separatist attitude. Focusing on Jesus, I need to follow the Holy Spirit’s leading in all areas, even the toxic ones, and not just turn a blind eye.
5. Daniel had to study and understand the culture he now lived in, “a iberal arts education,” “civil servant.” The application for me is my above answer. By reading, study, and prayer to become salt and light in an even larger way.
6. “Pray for the city”, our motivation. I am here in this place, at this moment, because the Lord put me here. I am His tool for showing the gospel to those around me.
cheryl ann
ps Dee, on a personal note, I finished rereading Falling in Love With Jesus, and I’ve started goin thru the leader’s workbook and watching the videos. That is turning out to be a key to understanding Daniel. The way he was devoted to God, is how I can be devoted to Jesus, total trust.
Thank you, Cheryl Ann. I love your teachable heart. Keller is sooo good. It is harder to integrate without young children. Pickleball has done it for me — but there are many ways. It’s been an exciting mission field.
If you liked Falling in Love, I think you would love He Calls You Beautiful. I have a question inspired by that at the close of this week’s study.
Love how you are examining your life!
Cheryl, I am retired too. It is hard to find opportunities and it can be scary at this time in the world to get involved, fearing “divisive” issues coming up. I pray to become more “salt and light” too. I love this that you wrote: “By reading, study, and prayer to become salt and light in an even larger way.”
I also have a medical condition which affects my speaking voice, which compounds my hesitancy. Thanks, Patti, for your comment to me. It is a confirmation of what the Lord is showing me.
1. Read Jeremiah 29:4-14. What stands out to you and why?
2. Listen to Keller for the first 25 minutes until he gets to his second point (What does the dream mean?) and share what stands out to you and why.
3. What does the name Daniel mean — and what does Belteshazzar mean? How might this signify being in the world but not of it?
Daniel means: “God is my judge” ; Belteshazzar means “Bel is my god”. Daniel received liberal arts training in the Babylonian culture, and he was able to get high up in leadership in the wicked city of man, yet he remained a citizen of God and His kingdom.
4. Keller gave the example of being a Christian actor in New York. You must ask the question: What kind of roles can I take or not take?” He said if you don’t ask questions you assimilate, and if you insist on rules you are a separatist. Comment. How might you apply this?
If we are grounded in God’s word~ we know and follow the Ten Commandments, and other guidelines of God’s word. We need to ask the question of ourselves, to live and work within our Christian value structure. I worked for many years in the Fine Arts ( in the world) with artists; and later with teens in my husband’s Drama classes (in a Classical Christian School). In the Fine Arts, there was a very open culture, yet I always loved and respected the artists and designers I worked with and they showed the same love and respect for me.
5. What did Daniel have to do to become a wise man in Babylon? (Daniel 1: 4 & 2:27) Application?
Daniel was educated in the rigorous liberal arts training in the Babylonian culture. He was able to be involved with the citizens of Babylon, yet Daniel was able to help and teach in a construction way that brought about trust and a positive influence to others in the Babylonian culture. He had the trust and respect of the King.
6. How did Keller say we can be in the world but not of it? (Jeremiah 29:7) Application?
We are called to be involved with the culture of those who are not necessarily believers. We are called by God to pray for them, and to care about their welfare and to help them to prosper. It is important to have friends outside our own Christian circles. You may be the only Bible they ever know. It is good to interact and have friendships with non-Christians, yet remain true in thought and deed to God and His laws. I can we draw others to Jesus, if we do not get involved in their lives. Praying for unbelievers, helping them through difficult times, befriending a lonely person and just being willing is sometimes enough. Dee and her pickle ball friends is such a great example. Our friendship and behavior can speak louder than words. Pray, trust God, love others, be available and willing to share your faith if the time is right.
Patti — I bet you have some good stories from the theatre world on how you and Ronnie integrated yet held your identity. Can you tell us some?
Love how this all played out!
Icebreaker: Where are you mixing with unbelievers in the world?
My job! Grace’s dance studio and Cooper’s karate lessons.
Point 1: What do Daniel’s Two Names Mean? (Keller refers back to Daniel 1 and to Jeremiah)
1. Read Jeremiah 29:4-14. What stands out to you and why?
I guess it’s the prophets deceiving them that strikes me as strange. If they are prophets, don’t they know what is to come? Why would they lie? How would they know the difference between them and Jeremiah, a true prophet?
3. What does the name Daniel mean — and what does Belteshazzar mean? How might this signify being in the world but not of it?
Daniel means God is my judge. Belteshazzar means Bell is my god. Paige made the point that no one calls Daniel Belteshazzar. He is respected for his knowledge. Just because someone changes your name doesn’t mean your values change.
4. Keller gave the example of being a Christian actor in New York. You must ask the question: What kind of roles can I take or not take?” He said if you don’t ask questions you assimilate, and if you insist on rules you are a separatist. Comment. How might you apply this?
Well, I think it’s a balance between the two. You have to follow the Bible, the 10 commandments. You know what is right and wrong, you must make wise choices that represent God’s way. The theater needs Christians. How can you know what is good and true and right if you don’t know what’s bad, evil, and wrong?
The theatre does need Christians — but so challenging too! I’d love to hear your stories too.
Well, I just woke to a dream (weird) that my family got notice of the deaths of 2 of the 4 Vietnamese that my family sponsored in the 70’s (the “boat people”). I do not know if it is true, but it does fit this point. These people were helped, really by my father, who was compassionate to their need. Who knows if they knew Christ?
There are other places too. The school our grands attend is a charter school. Recently, we had to complete a poster about our family traditions at Christmas. I had the kids title one poster “Jesus is the Reason for the Season” and the other one “Merry Christmas.” We added pictures of ourselves and text that explained how we celebrate. Of course we included our church events. The kids had to get up and tell all about themselves. Now that I think of it, Grace has come home and told me about some girls who don’t believe in Jesus. I didn’t think of the poster being a reason for that conversation, but it may have spurred it. Grace can be a bit “bossy” at times and I told her to show the girls “the light,” and that she should be the light. In fact, while shopping at Hobby Lobby (love that store!), I found a sign that said, “Be the Light,” and bought it for her for Christmas 😉.
Icebreaker: Where are you mixing with unbelievers in the world?
After retiring and moving to the opposite side of the country, I don’t really mix with unbelievers. Somewhat on Instagram and while I am at stores shopping. But I don’t have a relationship with them. I was married to an unbeliever with an unbelieving family for 31 years! It was very stressful and hard on our children. They were constantly being “judged” by his parents. I need to get out more, been praying about that this year…being salt and light. It’s easy to “hang out” with people that you agree with on most issues.
I admire you for staying married to him and will pray for you to hear from God on a way to be in the world but not of it.
Thank-you Dee, it was completely the Lord directing me to stay in the marriage and allow Him to work. Thank-you for your prayers!
I join Dee in praying for the Lord to direct you in how to find the perfect way to be salt and light. You have many gifts to share. You are salt and light here on this blog and your testimony is so encouraging for anyone married to a non-believer, Lydia.
1. Read Jeremiah 29:4-14. What stands out to you and why. God had good plans for them That they are to settle in, marry, have children . After 70 years they would call on Him and He would listen and bring them back from captivity. Even though they were in captivity because of their sin against God He wanted them to prosper I see His love
2. Listen to Keller for the first 25 minutes until he gets to his second point (What does the dream mean?) and share what stands out to you and why. That they were taken out for their sake That we are not to assimilate and not separate for they were needed for the other country’s sake. When Religion gets in power it almost always goes to seed
3. What does the name Daniel mean — and what does Belteshazzar mean? How might this signify being in the world but not of it? God is my judge Bael is my god. The Belteshazzar name was given to Daniel by his captor, but it was not a name Daniel owned or walked out. He knew who was the true God and lived His lived based on the God he knew.
4. Keller gave the example of being a Christian actor in New York. You must ask the question: What kind of roles can I take or not take?” He said if you don’t ask questions you assimilate, and if you insist on rules you are a separatist. Comment. How might you apply this? Keller said Jeremiah was a blueprint for Daniel’s life and that is what we are to do today. Be in the world not part of it, pray for it, don’t separate from it. I think He wants us to influence it without becoming part of it.
5. What did Daniel have to do to become a wise man in Babylon? (Daniel 1: 4 & 2:27) Application? He had to learn about their culture. Daniel had rigorous liberal arts training in Babylonian . To have been a wise man Daniel had training in enchanting, magic and divining. We shouldn’t reject learning about ungodly things but must avoid being drawn into believing in what they teach
6. How did Keller say we can be in the world but not of it? (Jeremiah 29:7) Application? Pray for it because if it prospers you will prosper. We may not agree with people in high positions, but we are to pray for them. As they do well, our nation does well and we prosper.
Great answers, Judy.
Such a good point, Judy: He wants us to influence it without becoming part of it.
Point 1: What do Daniel’s Two Names Mean? (Keller refers back to Daniel 1 and to Jeremiah)
1. Read Jeremiah 29:4-14. What stands out to you and why?In vs 8,9 The Lord says “do not let the prophets and diviners among you deceive you, do not listen to the dreams you encourage them to have, they are prophesying lies to you in My Name, I have not sent them.” Unlike Daniel, these prophets and diviners seem to have lost their faith in the One True God and are using their position to influence falsely, the people of Israel in captivity.
2. Listen to Keller for the first 25 minutes until he gets to his second point (What does the dream mean?) and share what stands out to you and why.
The Kings dream is an illustration of his own desire for himself, he is the elaborate statue with feet of clay. This made me think of our aspirations to achieve greatness when we are young. Eventhough we may project strength and confidence, most of us know what our own “weaknesses” are. What are my “feet of clay” at this time in my life?
Icebreaker: Where are you mixing with unbelievers in the world? At work and family gatherings.
5. What did Daniel have to do to become a wise man in Babylon? (Daniel 1: 4 & 2:27) Application?
He had to learn all about Babylonian culture. He learned about enchanting, magic, and divination. Well, the first thing that came to mind is the Harry Potter series. I loved reading those books as an adult! Rowling really did a good job sucking you in. Would I promote witchcraft? No! Along those same lines is my favorite child hood show, “Bewitched.” Does it makes me bad because in watched it and liked it? I would be pretty shallow if that was the case. What kind of a Christian would I be if I allowed that fantasy to take over? Live in the world and remember who you are! Chosen by Him, for this time!
6. How did Keller say we can be in the world but not of it? (Jeremiah 29:7) Application?
We live in the city and be prosperous there. We share our Christianity with others. Pray for the city and if the city succeeds then so will you.
We live amongst the dirt. We are Christians and do our best to promote God in our little niche. If our niche thrives then so do we.
The hullabaloo about Harry Potter among Christians was such a great example of what Keller was talking about — separatists want nothing to do with witches, for example. Probably don’t read Narnia either for that reason. I think J. K. Rowling is a wonderful example of integrating with the world yet not losing her identity. Here is what one reporter wrote about her:
Fans of the series have noted that quotations from the Bible occasionally appear. For example in in chapter 16 of Deathly Hallows Harry reads ‘The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death,’ (1 Corinthians 15:26) on his parents’ tombstone. He also sees ‘Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.’ (Matthew 6:21) on another grave. Rowling was brought up as an Anglican and is now a member of the Church of Scotland.
Dee, Thank you for posting this about J. K. Rowling. It is so important to research things and not absorb things you hear without the whole story.
WOW, loved the insight for Harry Potter. Great to have a mind that we can think for ourselves after we research.
Thanks for info on Harry Potter. I could see how he could fascinate people but never knew what to think of it.
Very interesting, Dee! I was disappointed when Rowling disclosed that Dumbledore was a gay man. I didn’t think she had to go there.
I know she’s taken a biblical stand on the practice of homosexuality and taken fire for it — so be interested in the context of that. I put a link below to a video you might find interesting.
Icebreaker: Where are you mixing with unbelievers in the world?
Though I am working at a private institute that has a Christian heritage, we have unbelievers among our staff. I belong to a sisterhood where we have unbelievers as well. Our local businesses, and social apps. At our church!
Yes, at church!
Par 2 of Keller
8. A.What stood out me as I read wasthat Daniel did not panic, but went and asked his three friends to join him in prayer.
B. The king was upset by a dream and that his wise men could not answer his suestions. The king wanted them to ell him the dream and the interpretaion of it. When they could not answer, he accused them of stalling for time and deceit. The wise men were upset that the king was asking for the impossible and was ordering their death when they could not answer his questions.
Amazing that the wise men said only gods could answer, who dwelled not with flesh (men). That was the truth for them, but not for Daniel!
C. When told that he and his friends would be put to death with all wise men, Daniel asked what why. He then went to the king and asked for time, engaged his three friends in prayer, and asked God to reveal the secret.
D. Daniel knew that God was sovereign over all, and grants wisdom to those who ask.
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9. A. I was struck by the boldness of Daniel, He did not mince words of hold back all that God had revealed to him, even though it wasn’t good news. Sometimes I don’t speak because I don’t want to hurt someone’s feelings.
B. Daniel tells the king that what he demanded cannot be answered by men (just what the wise men had said previously), BUT there is a God in heaven that reveals secrets.
C. It was a magnificent image: head of gold, chest and arms of silver, belly and thighs of brass, legs of iron (feet iron and clay).
D. The rock/stone that struck the image was not cut or shaped by human hands,
10. Again it’s Daniels’s boldness that stands out, to proclaim that the mighty kingdom of Nebuchadnezzar, and all the kingdoms after him, are ordained and given by God. And that there is a kingdom established by God which will be far greater and everlasting than any ruled by men.
Cheryl Ann
The fact he didn’t panic is quite a testimony!
Icebreaker: Where are you mixing with unbelievers in the world? – Most of the people I am around are believers, but I have a few friends who are not and some family members. They all know of God, but I question their relationship with him.
Thursday through Tuesday (1/18 to 1/23)
Point 1: What do Daniel’s Two Names Mean? (Keller refers back to Daniel 1 and to Jeremiah) – Daniel means ‘God is my Judge’ in Hebrew and the Babylonian meaning is ‘Bel is my god’.
1. Read Jeremiah 29:4-14. What stands out to you and why? – I really need to slow down when reading and studying the Bible. I’ve read this before and did not see what all God was saying and doing here. He put them in exile as part of His plan. We are only in chapter 2 of Daniel and I’m seeing so much already. We can’t turn our backs on those who don’t believe as we do. We need to get in there and see them for who God made them to be at a time like this. He put them in Babylon to walk among them so they could see just how mighty God is. He wants everyone to know him and his plan for Daniel to work among the unbelievers was all just part of a bigger plan. He placed me here in Church Hill Tennessee for a reason and I’m glad he did. I’m growing each day in finding Him in His Word. By doing this, I can reach out to others in a stronger way to help them see who my God is.
2. Listen to Keller for the first 25 minutes until he gets to his second point (What does the dream mean?) and share what stands out to you and why. – I think what stood out to me the most was how he wanted Daniel there and he wanted him to live among them as they did, but to not lose who he truly was down deep. He didn’t want Daniel pointing fingers at them or judging them, he wanted Daniel to love them and the city they lived in.
3. What does the name Daniel mean — and what does Belteshazzar mean? How might this signify being in the world but not of it? – In Hebrew Daniel means God is my Judge, and Belteshazzar means, Bel is my god. Daniel was a strong believer and knew who he was in Christ, so mixing in with the life and ways of the Babylonian ways made him fit in but didn’t change his heart deep down. Because he was strong in his faith, he could love them as they were, but not be changed by them.
4. Keller gave the example of being a Christian actor in New York. You must ask the question: What kind of roles can I take or not take?” He said if you don’t ask questions you assimilate, and if you insist on rules you are a separatist. Comment. How might you apply this? – I think we need to know what is right for us, and how would we be glorifying God or not glorifying him by what we do. We can’t just fit in because of peer pressure, we need to have faith that God will be with us, when we choose to be different, that He will be looking out for our best interests. We need to search our hearts and ask ‘why’ are we doing it.
5. What did Daniel have to do to become a wise man in Babylon? (Daniel 1: 4 & 2:27) Application? – 1.4- he had to be young and physically fit, handsome and smart and able to learn many things. He had to be quick to understand, well informed and qualified to serve and teach others. 2.27-he had to be a wise man, and know what it meant to be an enchanter, magician or diviner and decipher any mysteries that came up. In order for us to grow as believers, we need to know how all of these things worked and know how to stay steadfast in God’s Word in order to not be deceived or fall to false prophets. It also helped him fit in and for unbelievers to look at him and respect and trust him. He would appear to be more like them on the outside.
6. How did Keller say we can be in the world but not of it? (Jeremiah 29:7) Application? – He said that we need to help find the peace in this unbelieving world and when we cry out to him to help us, we will find the peace and the city will than proper and so will we. I think we need to help others see that peace can be had in a trying world. We need to show them ways to live among others who are different and be the disciples that God has called us to be. We can’t go in and miraculously change them, but little by little they will see the goodness, peace and love that is in us and start to live that way as well.
Love this, Julie: “We can’t go in and miraculously change them, but little by little they will see the goodness, peace and love that is in us and start to live that way as well.”
Jerram Barrs on J. K. Rowling
You all might be interested in this short video from my favorite professor at Covenant Seminary on J. K. Rowling — I hope the link works!
That link didn’t work. Is this the video?
https://youtu.be/MxySk24J_bs?si=d3KCAX8_HWsr10y-
Yes — thank you, Laura!
Thank-you for sharing this beautiful commentary Dee! I am a fan of Sci Fi and Fantasy books…especially C.S. Lewis!
We’re you able to open Dee’s link?
That is a great interview with Jerram Barrs! I sent it to all the Library ladies I worked with at school! Love it! Thank you, Dee. (and Laura)
Thanks. I found that interesting and informative
8. Read Daniel 2:1-23
A. What stood out to you from this passage and why?
None of the magician, conjurers or sorcerers could tell the King his dream or interpret it. When Daniel went to his friends and they prayed to God, concerning the mystery, God revealed the mystery to Daniel in a night vision. It is best to turn to God in prayer for wisdom in all things in life. Sorcerers and magician are not known to be praying people.
B. What had upset the King and then what upset the servants? (vs. 1-13)
No one could be found to tell the King his dream and interpret it. Nebuchadnezzar threatened to have every wise man in the kingdom, killed and their homes destroyed.
C. What did Daniel do in response? (vs. 14-19)
Daniel went to his house and told his friends about the King’s decree. Together, they prayed to God for an answer, so that they would not be killed with the other wise men of Babylon.
D. What did Daniel know about God? (vs. 21-23)
Daniel knew that God was the source for all wisdom and power. God is the one who removes and establishes Kings. He is the One who gives wisdom and knowledge to men of understanding. Only He can reveal mysteries and hidden things.
9. Read Daniel 2:24-35 (Keller’s 1st reading)
A. What stood out to you from this passage and why?
Daniel went to Arioch, who was appointed to kill the wise men, and asked him not to destroy the wise men of Babylon, but to take him (Daniel) to the King and he would declare the interpretation of the dream to the King.
B. What does Daniel tell Nebuchadnezzar about who can interpret the dream and why?
Daniel tells Nebuchadnezzar that there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries, and it was He that made know to the King what will take place in the latter days. The mystery was to Daniel, not because he had any more wisdom than any other living man, but for the purpose of making the interpretation known to the King, that he may understand the dream he had.
C. Describe the 4 parts of the statue.
The statue had a Head of fine gold; breast and arms of silver, belly and thighs of bronze; legs of iron and feet of clay and iron.
D. Describe the rock that struck the whole statue.
The stone that stuck the statue became a great mountain that filled the entire earth.
I have been listening to Tim Keller and have gone back and forth on my notes to fill in what I have missed since everything he says often resonates with me or is a light bulb moment for me. Jeremiah 29 is a chapter that is very dear to me for a few reasons. One is that it was my sister’s favorite passage; in fact, she loved the book of Jeremiah. I also found Jeremiah 29:7 very comforting having moved so far away from my family where many things were a source of comfort for me. “Also, seek the peace and prosperity of the city to which I have carried you into exile. Pray to the Lord for it, because if it prospers, you too will prosper.” I am not really in captivity here in Rock Port, far from it, but I do feel the “foreignness” (pardon the pun) of my experiences here. I think it is easy to label certain places as “exilic” (Tim’s word) or not. I have always found this article a great help in reminding me how Christians should live in this hostile world:
Here is a section and I will try to copy the link to the article:
Thank you for sharing this excellent article, Bing. I love it and saved it to a file. Yes, we are all in a foreign country, as Christians. I have never felt foreign in this place that I have lived since college, yet now I feel it so much. It is so interesting how the world has changed around us. I know that I am only passing through, on my way to the home of my Savior, wherever I am living on this earth.
I agree with you, Patti. I did a little research, and that article was an excerpt from a letter written (supposedly) around 130 AD. The description of Christians at that time corresponds to what we read happening in the New Testament epistles, doesn’t it? Oh that I would live as humbly! As American citizens we don’t want to give up any of our “rights,” let alone be treated as an “alien” with no rights, But isn’t that exactly what Jesus did, gave up His rights in glory to become a man, and live as an alien here on earth?
Great point, Cheryl Ann: But isn’t that exactly what Jesus did, gave up His rights in glory to become a man, and live as an alien here on earth?
Wonderful article – -and for being so ancient sounds like Keller could have written it — but he may have plumbed it!
A. What stood out to you from this passage and why? Daniel wasnt considered an enchanter though we discussed this week his knowledge of those dark arts. The king’s statement about cutting them to pieces and burning down their houses if they couldn’t tell him the dream and interpret. Then he ordered execution of all wise men. Did he have suspicions his servants were conspiring against him or was he frequently in a state of unrest
B. What had upset the King and then what upset the servants? (vs. 1-13) He had a troublesome dream that he wanted interpreted without revealing the dream. Since they couldn’t do that the king ordered execution of all wise men.
C. What did Daniel do in response? (vs. 14-19) He tactfully question king’s reason to execute all wise men then went to the king and asked for time to interpret. He asked his friends to plead to God for mercy.
D. What did Daniel know about God? (vs. 21-23) Wisdom and power are His. He changes seasons and sets up kings and deposes them He reveals deep and hidden things. He knows what lies in darkness and light dwells with Him. Gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning
9. Read Daniel 2:24-35 (Keller’s 1st reading)
A. What stood out to you from this passage and why? I like that Daniel gives credit to God. It’s too easy for to take credit for something the Holy Spirit inspired.
B. What does Daniel tell Nebuchadnezzar about who can interpret the dream and why? God in heaven and He has revealed to you what will happen in the days to come
C. Describe the 4 parts of the statue. Head made pure gold, arms of silver, belly and thighs of bronze Legs of iron and feet partly iron and partly baked clay.
D. Describe the rock that struck the whole statue. A rock that was cut but not by human hands
10. Read Daniel 2:36-43 and tell what stands out to you and why. He told the king, he was king of kings, it God had given him the dominion
power, might and glory. Daniel didn’t cower in front of the king who wanted to execute him. He let the king know from where his authority came.
12. I loved it when he said the interpretation is much simpler than many would have us believe — for there have been some “end times” books that have identified the different parts of the statue with contemporary “kingdoms” to make their point that now is the time Jesus will return. Have you read any of those? Thoughts? (He doesn’t explain what the different parts of the statue represent, though the movie The Book of Daniel alluded to it, and hopefully Paige will next week.) I think I’ve attended Bible studies that have given explanations, but I like this explanation The dream was to enlighten Nebuchadnezzar that he had built his kingdom in the wrong rock and that was why he had fears
13. Why did he say Nebuchadnezzar was so upset by the dream? He realized the dream was about the kingdom he had built and that it was his feet that were clay.
14. What are some various “foundations” that people trust in so that they might be dazzling? Which ones are most tempting to you? Money, prestige, power, influence. My social security
15. What was Abraham’s foundation according to Hebrews 11:8-10?He looked forward to a city that God had built the foundation.
Point 2 cont’d
1o. Dan.2:36-43 What stood out to me here is the predicted downward progression in strength in the future kingdoms, divisiveness and weakness. This prophecy has been true throughout history, for all kingdoms and is still happening today.
11. I had always pictured “the rock” as a big boulder, but Bible says a “stone.” Keller points out that this stone has no value compared to the makeup of the image, yet it will destroy the image. This has led me to believe that “the rock” is a small stone, not a boulder. The stone is Jesus.
12. I have heard different messages about this image and the kingdoms it represents: Greek empire, Roman empire etc. I remember when the European countries were said to be the “ten toes.” It’s the same thing that happens with the book of Revelation; people try to fit current events into prophecy to make their own predictions about Christ’s return.
13. The king saw the image as a representation of himself. He was upset that there was a weakness and future destruction.
14. Foundations people might trust to be dazzling: Educational degrees, large bank accounts, talent (art, music, writing, etc), positions of leadership, marriage and having children, Bible knowledge Any area where there is temptation to think you’re better than someone else.
15. Abraham’s foundation was faith.
Good observation:
What stood out to me here is the predicted downward progression in strength in the future kingdoms, divisiveness and weakness. This prophecy has been true throughout history, for all kingdoms and is still happening today.
4. Keller gave the example of being a Christian actor in New York. You must ask the question: What kind of roles can I take or not take?” He said if you don’t ask questions you assimilate, and if you insist on rules you are a separatist. Comment. How might you apply this?
There is a very fine line between living in the world but not being of the world. To assimilate is to compromise who I am in Christ, yet to insist on obeying all the rules alienates me from those who need to see Christ in me. I am going to have to really seek the Lord and His perfect Wisdom to be His Salt and Light in a dark and dying world…seeking His application!🙏✝️🙏
Point 2: What does the dream mean?
8. Read Daniel 2:1-23
A. What stood out to you from this passage and why?
In verses 14, 15 and 16 God is once again giving Daniel favor in the eyes of Arioch the commander of the kings guard. Causing him to give Daniel an explanation of the king’s harsh decree to have all of the wise men killed. And then God gave Daniel favor in the king’s eyes, giving him time to interpret the king’s dream. This is what stood out to me in this passage, Daniel is favored by God because of his unwavering faith…God is in control!
(Sorry to have my answers so scattered, my eyes can only take so much staring at the screen, before I have to rest them.)
1. 1. Read Jeremiah 29:4-14. What stands out to you and why?
We are where we are by God’s design and purposes: “build houses and settle down; increase in number there; seek the prosperity of the city to which I HAVE CARRIED YOU INTO EXILE. God Is the one who brought the Israelites to Babylon. After a time (70 years of captivity!), He will bring them back to this place (Judah?). His plans (v. 11) are to prosper them and not to harm them and those plans include being in Babylon as exiles.
Lesson for me: God’s plans for me are always good. I can live here on earth as an “alien” with confidence that He will bring me to my heavenly home as a “resident” there.
2. Listen to Keller for the first 25 minutes until he gets to his second point (What does the dream mean?) and share what stands out to you and why.
“Love the city of man for the sake of the city of God. ”
“Don’t assimilate nor separate. Engage with the culture but live distinctly as citizens of the city of God. Pray for its prosperity and its welfare.”
This is very convicting and I am beginning to realize that I tend to be a separatist and might be because of fear and maybe even pride. (Hananiah-I shivered when his story ended with him dying after he falsely prophesied to the Israelites in Jeremiah 28).
Now that I a working part-time again, and with the help of the great teaching and sharing here, all glory to God, I find that I am loving my “city” better than I used to. and I am not afraid anymore to step out in faith and share what God is doing in my life. This study is opening my eyes to the wonderful love of God for the city of man.
Love your teachable heart.
8. Read Daniel 2:1-23
A. What stood out to you from this passage and why?
I am struck by the verse that says, ”He controls the course of world events; he removes kings and sets up other kings. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the scholars.“
Daniel 2:21 NLT
The reason? Because I fear for the state of our country right now. I am trying to believe that God is in control and will do just that; set up the right person to save our country from its demise.
B. What had upset the King and then what upset the servants? (vs. 1-13)
He didn’t understand the dream. He wanted his wisemen to explain it. They could not. He ordered them killed. They were upset because they said he needed to tell them the dream before they could explain it. They were frustrated.
C. What did Daniel do in response? (vs. 14-19)
Daniel asked why the king was so harsh and if he could speak to the king about the dream. He asked God to reveal the dream to him.
D. What did Daniel know about God? (vs. 21-23)
He knew God was in control and would reveal the dream. He knew God is wise and powerful.
Icebreaker: Where are you mixing with unbelievers in the world?
—I would have to say our mixing with unbelievers is fairly limited especially now that my husband is retired. We have pretty much incidental contact with some neighbors and people in our community at their places of business. The bank, the doctor’s office and hospital, a few restaurants, and the grocery store. Occasionally we have gone to dinner with our next door neighbors or had them over but we don’t have any venue of regularly mixing with unbelievers. Our activities and our circle of family and friends is largely Christian. We are aware of trying not to live our lives in a “Holy Huddle “ though and the need to be salt and light where ever we are.
Thursday through Tuesday (1/18 to 1/23)
Point 1: What do Daniel’s Two Names Mean? (Keller refers back to Daniel 1 and to Jeremiah)
*1. Read Jeremiah 29:4-14. What stands out to you and why?
—”For I know the plans I have for you,” says the Lord. “They are plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope. In those days when you pray, I will listen.“
”If you look for me wholeheartedly, you will find me. I will be found by you,” says the Lord….
Jeremiah 29:11-14a
—These particular verses have always been a promise of encouragement from God that providentially He cares about and is involved in the lives of his own. And in my life personally. Many years ago my husband and I were facing a major life change that involved being uprooted and moving our family of four children to another community. We were leaving our hometown and initially we didn’t know where we were going. God gave me these verses and I claimed them through that hard time in our lives. He proved his faithfulness to us at that time.
*2. Listen to Keller for the first 25 minutes until he gets to his second point (What does the dream mean?) and share what stands out to you and why.
—He makes 3 points in this first part.
•First It was God’s plan to put them there.
That relates back to Jeremiah 29. God had plans for their good.
•Second God told them not to assimilate but to keep their identity while living there as his people. God said Don’t hate the City and love Me and don’t love the city and forget me but love both.
•Thirdly Pray for the city. Influence it for good and seek its peace. We need to love the city of God for the sake of the city of man.
*4. Keller gave the example of being a Christian actor in New York. You must ask the question: What kind of roles can I take or not take?” He said if you don’t ask questions you assimilate, and if you insist on rules you are a separatist. Comment. How might you apply this?
—Keller made the point that most think you either assimilate or separate from the world. But God said live in their culture to be salt and be there for their good but remain true to me. We are not to separate and live in our own little enclaves. We need friends who are non-Christian.
I thought his point was interesting that Christians need to be taken out of power. He said the city humbles us and it refines us. He said when Christians are taken out of power they do best. He said we need the city and the city needs us. But we should not assimilate into its culture and we are not to separate from it.
*6. How did Keller say we can be in the world but not of it? (Jeremiah 29:7) Application?
—”And work for the peace and prosperity of the city where I sent you into exile. Pray to the Lord for it, for its welfare will determine your welfare.”“
Jeremiah 29:7 NLT
I think that prayer is a first and foremost key to navigating through life and to being an influence for good. To work for the good of others is good for us as well.
I have learned that hospitality is the golden nugget in evangelism — I will pray for you to have wisdom concerning whom you might invite over in addition to your neighbors.
16. Read Daniel 2:44-49 and share what stands out to you and why The king fell prostrate before Daniel and paid him honor and ordered an offering brought to him. Why. The king declared Daniel’s God as God of gods and Lord of lords and yet appears to honor Daniel, not God
17. Listen to Keller to the end and share what stands out to you and why. He pointed out rock is least valuable material in the dream and that is just like God choosing the least A good reminder not to discount anyone in God’s kingdom (I missed this yesterday from earlier part of sermon that we can all have fears and panic when we don’t believe we are already golden before Christ. A reminder of God’s grace and He has my mistakes and sins covered. )
18. Why did Keller say Nebuchadnezzar’s response showed he didn’t get it? Missed that
19. Who is the Rock and what is different between His first coming and His second? Jesus is the rock. His first coming He came in weakness and didn’t take away the evil in the world Second coming Jesus comes in power and will fill the earth.
20. What does it mean that we live in the now and the not yet? For our churches? For our lives? Kingdom of God is here but has not yet reached its fullness. It means that no church is perfect and has everything right It means that He’s still working in me to transform to more of Christ’s image.)
21. How is Jesus the ultimate dazzling figure? Jesus is pure and transparent allowing us to look through Him to see the glory of the Father.
22. Keller didn’t bring this out, and I don’t if Paige will, but when I was studying Song of Songs to write a book, I was so struck by interpretations of Song of Songs 5:14-15 when the bride describes her ultimate Bridegroom, and how different this “statue” is than the one in Nebuchadnezzar’s dream. See if you can see the difference. His foundation is pure gold like the streets of heaven and he doesn’t have clay in him.
23. What is your take-a-way, your application, and why? I liked his explanation of what the church is to be in the world. Not assimilating or separating, but being in the world, praying for it and that things go well for it. We are to influence our neighborhood and cities by being in community with them.
Good take-a-way, Judy.
9. Read Daniel 2:24-35 (Keller’s 1st reading)
A. What stood out to you from this passage and why?
I think it’s curious that Nebuchadnezzar was willing to listen to Daniel and believe that his God was authentic and true. Why would he believe Daniel over his own wisemen?
B. What does Daniel tell Nebuchadnezzar about who can interpret the dream and why?
He tells him that God can interpret the dream, not any wisemen. He tells him that God is the One who reveals secrets. He wanted the king to understand what was in his heart.
C. Describe the 4 parts of the statue.
The head was gold, the chest and arms were silver, the Nelly and legs were bronze, and the feet were iron and baked clay.
D. Describe the rock that struck the whole statue.
The rock came from a mountain (although the NLT translation says “from a mountain”was not in the Hebrew, rather from the Greek version). It was not from human hands.
I would think it was because he had been more impressed with Daniel’s lifestyle and convictions — had seen integrity.
That makes sense!
10. Read Daniel 2:36-43 and tell what stands out to you and why.
I love the confidence Daniel has at the end of his explanation of the dream. He says this is the dream and it is certain to happen this way. He continues to hold on to his belief that God is in charge even though he lives in this terrible foreign land.
11. Listen to Keller up to “What is the meaning of the rock?” (Ends at about 34:25) and share what stood out to you and why.
We are all building our kingdoms on something; money, looks, popularity, etc. if you do that then you have a life of anxiety because you are always afraid of what happens when the money fails, the looks are lost, and the polls are not in your favor.
It hurts to admit that I have spent more time than I should have on my looks. Ouch, that was a zinger when he said it.
12. I loved it when he said the interpretation is much simpler than many would have us believe — for there have been some “end times” books that have identified the different parts of the statue with contemporary “kingdoms” to make their point that now is the time Jesus will return. Have you read any of those? Thoughts? (He doesn’t explain what the different parts of the statue represent, though the movie The Book of Daniel alluded to it, and hopefully Paige will next week.)
I did a study of Daniel a couple of years ago with women in my church. It was written by Beth Moore and I thought it was really interesting. As I recall, she does a wonderful job of lining up the history with the Biblical account. I’m going to get my study book and see now because I am curious!
The Bible says He will come at any time; we will not be able to know. So, I think it’s futile to try to figure it out. We are to just be ready.
Let us know about Beth’s study in comparison, Laura!
Point 3
16. Daniel 2:44-49 What stood out to me was that after Daniel described and interpreted the dream, the king worshipped Daniel and put him in a leadership position above all others. This is exactly what happened with Joseph, too, in Genesis.
17. Jesus has two names, He is the ultimate dazzling figure, and He is the rock which was rejected that has become the cornerstone. The kingdom of God is already, BUT not yet.
18. Nebuchadnezzar bowed down before Daniel instead of bowing before God.
19. Jesus is the rock/stone. His first coming was in humility and He was rejected, His second coming will be with power and all will bow before Him.
20. Now, but not yet. Believers are already citizens of heaven, seated with Christ Jesus in heavenly places (Eph. 2:6), but we live physically here on earth right now, having the Holy Spirit within us (Eph. 1:13). This is only possible because of the grace of God, not because there was anything good or special about us. We are not “better” than anyone else in any way.
We need to be careful about becoming too religious, which can lead to an attitude of condemning others. Churches can become exclusive and prejudicial. I need to be loving and kind, always remembering that God saved me because of HIS love and kindness, not because of anything that I did to earn it (Eph2:1-5)
21. Jesus is pure gold throughout, no flaw or blemish.
22. Nebuchadnezzar’s image is cold and has no life. The bride’s description is filled with warmth, vibrancy, beauty, and life.
23 application for me is to keep looking at Jesus and follow His leading, by the Holy Spirit, in all areas of my life. I need to be actively involved, not separated from others.
From Cheryl:
Nebuchadnezzar’s image is cold and has no life. The bride’s description is filled with warmth, vibrancy, beauty, and life.
10. Read Daniel 2:36-43 and tell what stands out to you and why.
The kingdoms of the earth will all perish at some point; they will be divided. They are built of feet of clay and iron mixed~ implies division. Clay and iron mixed, seems like a weak base. This history seems to repeat itself in our world. The divine kingdom that God of heaven sets up, cannot be destroyed. It implies that what is seen can be destroyed; what is not seen, what is spiritual from God the Father cannot be destroyed. It will crush the earthly systems man has created and it will be eternal. Our foundations need to be grounded in Jesus.
11. Listen to Keller up to “What is the meaning of the rock?” (Ends at about 34:25) and share what stood out to you and why.
The Rock is the kingdom of God that will endure forever. The God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed or left to another people. It will crush all earthly kingdoms. The Rock is Supernatural. In his dream is does not appear as valuable, by earthly standards, as the other parts of the statue; nothing the world thinks highly of, yet it has a value beyond anything we can know. It grows gradually into a mountain that fills the whole world. It comes in two stages; It came in when Jesus first came. It will come in total power at the Second coming of Christ. It is already here in reality, but not yet in fullness.
12. I loved it when he said the interpretation is much simpler than many would have us believe — for there have been some “end times” books that have identified the different parts of the statue with contemporary “kingdoms” to make their point that now is the time Jesus will return. Have you read any of those? Thoughts? (He doesn’t explain what the different parts of the statue represent, though the movie The Book of Daniel alluded to it, and hopefully Paige will next week.)
It seems like this description of the statue, as kingdoms, can apply to a number of times throughout history. It does seem to allude to kingdoms that are built on earthly powers, which though they appear strong, are weak and vulnerable. They rely on the power of an earthly king, rather than the power of the King of the Universe, God the Father and creator. I have read references to these with regard to the return of Jesus, yet we are told that we will not know. It is mysterious.
13. Why did he say Nebuchadnezzar was so upset by the dream?
He dreamed of the great figure that he wanted. He wanted this statue to dazzle everyone and make himself look great. The dream said he had feet of clay and his foundation was weak behind his grand image.
14. What are some various “foundations” that people trust in so that they might be dazzling? Which ones are most tempting to you?
Influential career, Glamor/looks, Wealth, position of leadership. Probably being secure, loved and having peace of mind… all of which comes from God alone.
15. What was Abraham’s foundation according to Hebrews 11:8-10?
Abraham was living by faith in God, as an alien in a foreign land. He trusted in God and lived in the confidence, looking toward the city, whose foundation and builder was God.
Great notes!!!
Point 2: What does the dream mean?
8. Read Daniel 2:1-23
A. What stood out to you from this passage and why?
—Verse 11 stood out to me where the wise men and astrologers in addressing Nebuchadnezzar said “The thing that the king asks is difficult, and no one can show it to the king except the gods, whose dwelling is not with flesh.”“
This was a clear test of whose “god(s) was real and therefore stronger. Theirs or Daniel’s. They acknowledged they couldn’t even communicate with their gods whose dwelling was not with flesh.
The contrast is stark in comparison to Daniel’s God as we see in verse 23 where Daniel says “To you, O God of my fathers, I give thanks and praise, for you have given me wisdom and might, and have now made known to me what we asked of you, for you have made known to us the king’s matter.”“
Daniel had a personal relationship with his God who communicated with him and dwelt with flesh unlike the gods of the Chaldeans who were not even real so they were powerless. It reminds me of the name Emmanuel which means God with us. And it serves to encourage me that I know and serve the very same God that Daniel did. A God who is with us in our flesh because He came and dwelt with us in the flesh. Daniels praise and prayer in verses 20-23 is beautiful.
9. Read Daniel 2:24-35 (Keller’s 1st reading)
A. What stood out to you from this passage and why?
—What stood put to me was when the King questioned Daniel of his ability to tell him the dream and interpret it he said “Are you able to make known to me the dream that I have seen and its interpretation?”
Daniel’s response was “No wise men, enchanters, magicians, or astrologers can show to the king the mystery that the king has asked, but there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries, and he has made known to King”
Daniel takes no credit for himself in knowing the dream and its interpretation but his testimony of his God is strong and clear before the king. He was tells the king that his God was a strong and all knowing God by His ability to do what no other god or even man could do. It shows Daniel’s humility before his God giving Him all honor and glory. This is important for me to remember in my walk with God to maintain humility and a proper perspective of the God I serve. Even though what had happened was amazing in verse 30 Daniel sounds very practical about the revelation basically saying God let me know so you the King would get your answer and know what it means. I am reminded God can do so much more than I ask or think He can. The church we are attending here in Texas presents Jesus in a clear understanding of the gospel and promotes Him as Someone who changes everything. As we continue seek to have ministry in the lives of our son and daughter-in-law and grandchildren over the coming weeks I am encouraged in this study of Daniel that Daniel’s God who us my God is at work and is bringing change to their lives. My daughter-in-law loved Paige’s teaching from the first teaching and was all set to listen again last Wednesday. So I am trusting it will be a tool for good in pointing her to have a deeper walk with God.
Prayer your dil continues to listen to Paige and God uses it to draw her closer.
Amen. I have been praying for her!
Yes — Daniel always deflecting praise from him to God.
13. Why did he say Nebuchadnezzar was so upset by the dream?
He has always wanted to build his own statue of himself in Babylon. The dream destroys that idea. The dream basically says that he will fall and it will be due to a small force (the rock) not because of anything large.
14. What are some various “foundations” that people trust in so that they might be dazzling? Which ones are most tempting to you?
popularity, money, looks. Looks are my (unfortunate) foundation.
15. What was Abraham’s foundation according to Hebrews 11:8-10?
His foundation was faith. He had faith that God would take him to “…a city with eternal foundations.”
10. Read Daniel 2:36-43 and tell what stands out to you and why.
Daniel gives the God in Heaven credit for the interpretation of the dream that king Nebuchadnezzar had. This stood out to me because it illustrates what a fine and humble man of God Daniel is, his very life was hanging in the balance! When we as Christians do services of kindness for others, do we take credit? Or do we give God all of the credit for working through us? It made me think what would I do in such a situation? I don’t know if I could be so brave and trusting in God if my life and the lives of others was on the line and all the pressure was on me? I would definitely cry out to God for help.
11. Listen to Keller up to “What is the meaning of the rock?” (Ends at about 34:25) and share what stood out to you and why.
Keller refers to some of the more well known interpretations of king “N’s” dream. I do remember hearing them from various preachers, especially about the foretelling of the future (return of Christ)through the various metals and clay in the statues form.
Keller says the stone represents Jesus, what stood out to me is how the stone grew into a great mountain and filled the whole earth. This reminds me of a scripture in Revelation, (I think?) Where it says that Christ will return when all the nations of the earth has received the Gospel message. Just a thought. So many things in the Bible are a mystery, I wish I knew all the answers while telling unbelievers about my faith. “Jesus loves me , this I know, for the Bible tells me so…”
Lydia, I love your answer to 10! I agree, there are many mysteries in God’s Word. In eternity, we will see them all clearly. Our minds are finite and His is infinite!
Thank-you Patti, I always love reading your answers…we learn so much from each other! Praise the Lord!🙏✝️🙏
I went back to my Beth Moore study guide and found a lot! Here is a synopsis.
Beth likens the head (gold) to Babylon. Nebuchadnezzar is king. 626-539 BC
The shoulders and chest (silver) to the Medo-Persian Empire. Cyrus the Great is king. (539-331 BC)
The belly and thighs (bronze) to the Grecian Empire. Alexander the Great is king. (331-63 BC) Biblical ref to Isaiah 44:24, 28 and 45:1-4.
The legs (iron) The Roman Empire. Famous rulers Octavian, Tiberius, Nero (63 BC – AD 476) She says the legs represent the East and the West as divided. The East had a czar (Caesar) and the west had a Kaiser (Caesar).
The feet are iron and baked clay. A possible interpretation is they represent an outgrowth of the divided Roman Empire.
Thanks, Laura!
Point 3. What is the meaning of the rock?
16. Read Daniel 2:44-49 and share what stands out to you and why.
God’s kingdom will crush all others and will prevail. It is comforting to know He is in charge.
17. Listen to Keller to the end and share what stands out to you and why.
The rock is the kingdom of God. Not made by humans.
It is the least valuable of all the substances. This is interesting to me. I never thought of it. He chose the least to make the most.
The rock is small and grows into a mountain. So true of Christianity. It is a gradual thing.
Values are good, but without God, there is no reason. Secularism gives no certainty, and religion gives no flexibility. The Gospel is both “already” and “not yet.” You need to have certainty and flexibility. God is already here (through us) and yet to come (with Christ).
I have recently felt like I am surrounded at work by some very good hearted people who are not Christians. It makes me think, how? It has bothered me for some time. They do charity work and care for others. So what is different about them and me? I don’t do those types of things (they are part of a group called national charities I think). Don’t get me wrong, I also do good things, but not like them. It’s funny because TK answered this question for me in the last bit if this sermon! Eternal life has nothing to do with this. The Bible does say to help others, true, but these people are doing it to make themselves feel good about themselves, not because they want to please their leader, Jesus. We are all sinners and need grace. The difference between me and them is that because I believe Jesus is Lord, I follow His lead, His modeling, and because of that, I am guaranteed eternal life. There is a higher power I answer to, unlike them. 😢
The Gospel gives us resources for tolerance and community in the world. Love the “city” and know your foundations. Look to Jesus. He is the ultimate dazzling figure. He is the rock, the cornerstone.
Amen to Judy’s prayer, Bev!
Thank you Judy and Thankyou Dee. 💕
10. Read Daniel 2:36-43 and tell what stands out to you and why.
—As I read Daniel’s interpretation of the statue and as he makes it known to Nebuchadnezzar I wondered at what the king was thinking. It would seem it only added to his ego to be acknowledged as the
“the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven had given the kingdom, the power, and the might, and the glory, and into whose hand he had given, wherever they dwell, the children of man, the beasts of the field, and the birds of the heavens and God gave him to rule over them all.”
He was identified as the head of gold. So instead of being in awe of the God of Heaven he obviously was relieved to find himself affirmed but it was not lost on Daniel that as verse 45b says ”A great God has made known to the king what shall be after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure.”
*12. I loved it when he said the interpretation is much simpler than many would have us believe — for there have been some “end times” books that have identified the different parts of the statue with contemporary “kingdoms” to make their point that now is the time Jesus will return. Have you read any of those? Thoughts? (He doesn’t explain what the different parts of the statue represent, though the movie The Book of Daniel alluded to it, and hopefully Paige will next week.)
—First I want to say that in regards to Keller’s teaching on the statue I think his assessment and his points are good. I think the biblical principles he brings out are very good. One of those was his point that “God has to be our foundation. Life built on any foundation other than God will not stand. He is the only sure foundation.” His challenge was that everybody is building a kingdom and every body’s foundation and motivation is what sets the course for your life. He said “Look at your foundations.” That is so good.
But yes I have read and studied Daniel from a number of sources over the years and continue to do so and I see Daniel as a prophetic book and see this as a prophetic passage concerning the statue. Even the history of the kingdoms that were in power during Daniel’s life and following fit the interpretation of the statue.
Daniel says “just as you saw that a stone was cut from a mountain by no human hand, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold. A great God has made known to the king what shall be after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation sure.”
Daniel 2:45 ESV
Other versions say
“A great God has made known to the king what shall be hereafter. “ RSV or “ The great God was showing the king what will happen in the future “ NLT
So I see this as more than just a representation of King Nebuchnezzar seeing himself as the statue and the fear of destruction of his own dream.
Another reason I see the interpretation of the Statue as specific in its prophecy is what Daniel says to the king in verses 28-30.
These specific phrases:
”what will be in the latter days.”
“and he who reveals mysteries made known to you what is to be.”
“in order that the interpretation may be made known to the king,”
Then as Daniel interpreted the dream in verses 36-45 he outlines specific kingdoms and their strengths and weaknesses.
When he says in verse 44 ”And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed, nor shall the kingdom be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand forever,”
This is definitely prophetic concerning the Kingdom of God (the Church) which started with the Rock Jesus and is growing into a mountain. I appreciate Keller’s points of Jesus as the rock and the growing mountain as the Kingdom of God (the Church)
But I am of the school of thinking that after the Rapture of the church and a tribulation period of 7 years Jesus will return to earth and reign with his kingdom (the church) for 1000 years. I take that interpretation as literal from the book of Revelation. And I realize that is some of where I part company with Reformed thinking. I see the statue as specifically prophetic concerning the kingdoms of Nebuchadnezzar as the gold and following with the Medo-Persian Empire as silver then Greece as bronze and lastly Rome as iron and it dividing down to ten toes of mixed iron and clay with applications of where we are today.
But I still feel what Keller draws out of these passages is so very good and applicable teaching to my own walk with God.
And I too am looking forward to Paige’s teaching as well as my son’s in his sermons. I am appreciating Daniel much more as a book for really identifying and applying it to how we are living today. I don’t want to be like many who make Daniel just about prophecy and get caught up in the arguments of eschatology. It is so rich with Christ and the reality of the incredible and powerful God we know and love and serve. Daniel is such an incredible testimony for living a faith filled consistent life in a pretty rotten culture. How can we not identify with that?!
I think your point, Bev, was my take-a-way!
One of those was his point that “God has to be our foundation. Life built on any foundation other than God will not stand. He is the only sure foundation.” His challenge was that everybody is building a kingdom and every body’s foundation and motivation is what sets the course for your life. He said “Look at your foundations.” That is so good.
Point 3. What is the meaning of the rock?
16. Read Daniel 2:44-49 and share what stands out to you and why.
17. Listen to Keller to the end and share what stands out to you and why.
—These were his final points.
-Look to Jesus. He is actually the fulfillment of the three points.
-Jesus had two names. God & Man
-Jesus is the ultimate dazzling figure completely golden from top to bottom. No feet of clay. The only one we can bow down and worship.
-Jesus is the rock. The stone that the builders rejected but he is now the Cornerstone for the whole world.
—This all stands as a reminder to me that it is all Jesus. Life past, present and future is all about Jesus.
This is my takeaway for the week and it is so important for me to keep my focus on Him. There is so much going on in this world and present culture to divide and distract. I don’t want to get caught up in things that mess with my daily walk with Him. I find great security in my relationship with Him.
Amen Bev! Thank-you fir your great insight. “There is so much going on in this world and present culture to divide and distract.” Keeping our eyes on Jesus is a constant effort.