This is the last lesson in this series. The next Bible study will be posted on Thursday, September 8th. I will be posting on Thursdays instead of Sundays for the duration of Paige Benton Brown’s series on Elijah and Elisha. This post will be up for eleven days.
We’ve been considering during all of August the implications of Jesus’ prayer for us:
…that they may be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
John 17:21
This final week we’ll listen to Tim Keller and see what light he sheds.
Then, beginning next week we will do Paige Benton Brown’s study together. I do believe she is, as Keller says, the best teacher in America. Her anointed expositional teaching changes lives. She streams her teaching from her church on Wednesdays at 10 A. M. central time, and then the teaching is on You-Tube until the following Tuesday night. Many prefer to watch on You-Tube so they can pause her. She tends to speak for about 70 minutes, so I suggest about 15 minutes for 5 days, but you can pace yourself. Sunday will still be “God Hunt” Sunday where you simply share a way God has worked in your life in the last week. If you also want a reminder that Paige is teaching posted to your inbox, click here and follow the instructions:
1. How have you experienced the risenness of Christ in your life this last week?
Monday: Quick Review
2. Read again John 17:20-23
A. What have you seen so far in this prayer that has impacted you — and why? (Take time — review past 3 weeks)
B. Before listening to Keller, what do you think Jesus did not mean by “may all be one?”
Tuesday: Listen Up to 10:48 of Keller Podcast
3. What stood out to you and why?
4. Summarize Martin Lloyd Jones’ eye opening experience.
Wednesday: Listen Up to 19:14 of Keller Podcast (to the break)
5. What stood out to you and why?
6. What three ways should we be one according to Keller?
7. What difference did the Bosnian see between Christians in America and his country — and why?
8. American Christians have been divided over politics, over Covid — do you think it is possible that this may be why God is allowing more suffering to come to us than in the past?
9. Why should true Christians be able to share their problems? Do you?
10. Why should true Christians share truth in love? Do you?
Thursday: Listen to 28:30
This is the most important point, the one that Schaeffer makes in A Mark of a Christian. Keller refers to Bonhoeffer’s book about this passage: Life Together. This June I had a darling newlywed couple in my airbnb. They were reading “Life Together” on their honeymoon. I’d say they were off to a good start.
11. What stands out to you and why?
12. What did Bonhoeffer say Christians tend to do and why should the gospel change everything?
Friday: Listen to the end
13. Summarize Flannery O’Connor’s short story, explaining what happened to Ruby Turpin. How is this relevant to us?
Saturday:
14. What’s your take-a-way and why?
God Hunt Sunday:
Feel free to pray for one another or share as this post will be up until I post again this coming Thursday morning, Sept 8.
God Hunt Sunday
1. How have you experienced the risenness of Christ in your life this last week?
I have experienced the risenness of Christ through God’s Word. The more I read and meditate, the more I sense His presence in my life through the big and small things. In one of his articles, David Jeremiah said, “the great and small equally matter to God.” Whether I am in my garden (the whole earth is full of his glory (Isaiah 6:3) or grabbing a hotdog for a quick lunch at Sam’s Club with my husband (whatever you do, do it for the glory of God (I Corinthians 10:31), His Word is like a fire, igniting a sense of wonder (What is man that you are mindful of him? Psalm 8:4).
George Beverly Shea’s song comes to mind:
There’s the wonder of sunset at evening,
The wonder as sunrise I see;
But the wonder of wonders that thrills my soul
Is the wonder that God loves me.
O, the wonder of it all! The wonder of it all!
Just to think that God loves me.
O, the wonder of it all! The wonder of it all!
This is beautiful, Bing. What a wonderful way to start this week. He is in everywhere and in all we do and see. Thankful for this and thankful for you.
My daughter refused to get up this morning to attend church with me. My son dawdled so long in the bathroom “fixing his hair.” I was dead-tired but had forced myself to get up early to go to church with my family, but by the time my little son and I finally got on the road, the church service was half over. Dejectedly, I turned around and went home. I watched the sermon on Facebook live and so wished to be there. As I opened this blog just now, the question for today was, “How did you experience the risen-ness of Christ this week?” How an arrow smote my heart by that question! I’m sitting here in gloom and sadness because of the events of the morning, and all the while CHRIST IS RISEN FROM THE DEAD!!! The circumstances of life don’t have to overwhelm me and drive me to despair. HE IS RISEN, SEATED AT THE FATHER’S RIGHT HAND, AND PRAYING FOR ME!! I’m in tears now as I realize how quickly I forget that He ever lives and has conquered over all! Thank you, dear Lord Jesus, for rising from that tomb, never to die again, and that Your risen-ness is real and mine for the taking regardless of the death around me and in me.
Miriam, I appreciate your transparency…so refreshing. Your post reminded me of a verse in Ephesians 1 that I have come to love. Verse 7, ““He is so rich in kindness and grace that he purchased our freedom with the blood of his Son and forgave our sins.”
What an awesome God we serve and oh how He loves us!! You and your family are in my prayers.
This is a perfect reminder that He is so very present with us, even in those hard and really messy times. I appreciate this so much, Missy. I had a couple of days like that this week and this is such a good reminder that our small setbacks, are mere stepping stones to seeing that He is here with us in all of it. HE is our ALL and He turns our darkness to Light and Life. Thank you for sharing.
Missy, what a great reminder in the midst of living in this messy world. He is with us through the Holy Spirit. His presence at the Father’s right hand interceding for each of us is such a beautiful picture.
oh Missy. WOW. I’ve so missed being here but have struggled to fit it all in especially with my job lately, and some things the Lord is working on in me lately has me reading a lot and digging deep… but what I just read here from you, stopped me in my tracks: “The circumstances of life don’t have to overwhelm me and drive me to despair. HE IS RISEN, SEATED AT THE FATHER’S RIGHT HAND, AND PRAYING FOR ME!!”
BEAUTIFUL. Thank you!!
Sunday 1. How have you experienced the risenness of Christ in your life this last week?
This last week we went to Lowes and my husband was busy ordering stuff for a project so I stole away to the garden department…my favorite spot. While walking around looking at the flowers there were bumble bees all over them. I pulled out my phone and started photographing these beautiful creatures that God made with such purpose. I wish I could share the photos on here but I found this fact about bumblebees…Aerodynamically , the bumble bee shouldn’t be able to fly , but it doesn’t that know that and goes on flying anyway. It got me thinking how much do I get in the way of God doing great things in my life because I have doubts, lack faith and understanding, when I need to be like the bumble bee, put my trust in our amazing Creator…and fly!
Proverbs 3:5,6
“Trust in the Lord with all your heart; do not depend on your own understanding. Seek his will in all you do, and he will show you which path to take.”
1. How have you experienced the risenness of Christ in your life this last week? After reading all of the comments you all have posted today, I agree whole-heartedly with the comment thar “this blog is showing me the risenness of Christ”! I finished my challenging sewing project today and now have to wait all week for the princess to come home from college to try it on. I am praying for a perfect fit. So glad prayer got me through the stress of working with an uncooperative fabric. Tomorrow I have to drive to a city a couple of hours North to see a Orthopaedic specialist for a bone tumor in my right femur. The radiologist report says it appears to be benign, so it should be fairly straightforward. Never-the-less I am feeling apprehensive, praying for God’s perfect Peace. Thank-you for all the honest and inspiring comments you make here, it is so encouraging!
Amen! The appointment went well, the doctor is reviewing the MRI film and will let me know if I will need surgery. I am praying for no surgery.
Thank-you for the encouragment in scripture, Bing!
Amen to Bing’s prayer for you, Lydia. I will be praying for you to have the peace that only Jesus can give. I pray for you to be free of anxiety. May every cell in your body be healthy. “And the peace of God, which surpasses all comprehension, will guard your heart and mind in Christ Jesus.” Phil 4:7
What an amazing gifts you have ~ to make this beautiful gown. I pray with you that the fit is perfect. The princess will be so excited.
Thank-you so much Patti! I really felt an incredible peace today, the appoinment went well. The doctor will be calling me in 2 weeks to tell me if I need surgery. Praying for no surgery.
I didn’t have anything too special this week, but that in its own right is the God hunt! A peace and calmness was apparent as I moved through my week, stating school.
2. Read again John 17:20-23
A. What have you seen so far in this prayer that has impacted you — and why? (Take time — review past 3 weeks)
I think it’s amazing that Jesus is praying for me. So sweet! Thank You Lord! I think I have mentioned before that my husband will tell the kids that their blood is in him and his blood is in them. I thought that was so sweet too. It reminds me of this prayer.
B. Before listening to Keller, what do you think Jesus did not mean by “may all be one?”
I think He didn’t mean we would all be the same, but different in Him. That we encompass Him, and His traits and characteristics through our own uniqueness given by Him.
Monday 2. Read again John 17:20-23 A. What have you seen so far in this prayer that has impacted you — and why? (Take time — review past 3 weeks)
The importance of unity among Christians as this is what will have an impact on the world, good or bad. If there is unity it will draw the world to believe in Him and show them the love God has for us and us for Him. B. Before listening to Keller, what do you think Jesus did not mean by “may all be one?”
I go back to the quote you gave us by Francis Schaffer…it does not mean that we must agree on everything but love in everything. If I fail in my love toward my brother, the world will not believe the Father sent the Son, but that Jesus was just a man just like us.
Amen to this, Sharon! I go back to the quote you gave us by Francis Schaffer…it does not mean that we must agree on everything but love in everything. If I fail in my love toward my brother, the world will not believe the Father sent the Son, but that Jesus was just a man just like us.
God Hunt Sunday 1. How have you experienced the risenness of Christ in your life this last week? – I can’t just pinpoint a specific thing this week, but I’ve just felt at peace about a lot of different things. I’ve felt joy at church, and peace for my very good friend who will find out tomorrow on what her steps will be for her recent diagnosis of ovarian cancer. We have been praying that God just removes it and it’s gone, but he has also been showing her and me at different times, just how good He turly is. He has been directing her to different songs that encourage and give life and to me different bible verses that I’m reading are all about His love for us and how He will see us through. It’s been amazing to see where he leads us and just how much he hears us.
Monday: Quick Review 2. Read again John 17:20-23 A. What have you seen so far in this prayer that has impacted you — and why? (Take time — review past 3 weeks) – I’m seeing that everything God leads us to do is in a sense a chain reaction that will go from us to the next person and to the person after them and it continues until He returns. We have to be diligent in know His Word and following it. We need to hear His still small voice telling us what we should do and follow through with it right then. Our obedience to His call is important for the next person to know who He is. We don’t want to miss a chance that is given to us to show others the power in knowing Jesus. If there is unity among us as followers, we will be stronger against what the world today is dishing out today. B. Before listening to Keller, what do you think Jesus did not mean by “may all be one?” – Is he referring to those who don’t know Jesus or have not truly given their life to Christ? To be one with another, we need to be in agreement for the major workings of Christ’s life and those who don’t think there is a God or can’t see his goodness through the judgement, may not fit in to the unity of one.
1. How have you experienced the risenness of Christ in your life this last week? As happens frequently in my life. I started reading the book The Mark of a True Christian (about love especially among fellow Christians), I listen to Tim Keller’s podcast (in order) on my way to work and the series that he is doing is on unity and the church, and my pastor has been speaking the past few weeks on how the world will recognize us and be drawn by our love for one another.
I am a very introverted person and it takes forever for me to feel comfortable around people. It takes a lot for me to go to things like womens’ bible study or retreats if I don’t already know the people. After a church split, losing friends, and seeing some of the shallower sides of people I was very hesitant to even start to get to know anybody or get involved in my current church, eventually I started going to the bible studies and started to feel more comfortable around everyone. Then the pandemic hit. There are only 3 women in my church who were there before the pandemic. Not one person from our ladies bible study or fellowship group is there. No explanation, nothing. We have each other’s phone numbers and email addresses so there is no reason to not reach out.
I decided that I am done doing this anymore. I have you ladies here for fellowship and I have my family. Now I’m feeling that God is telling that this isn’t the case. It isn’t about me.
I just realized that the Tim Keller sermon that you recommended for this week “just happened” to be the one that was next in my sermon line up this morning. I listened to it without knowing that I was supposed to.
Dawn — I just need a little clarification. Are you saying you decided not to have in-person small group fellowship, but then decided you needed to have it?
I do sense the Lord is telling me that I’m on the wrong path by choosing not to get involved with and have genuine love for the people in my church because of past hurts with other people.
Dee Brestin
August 31, 2022
Thanks, Dawn. I’m glad you sense that. It’s understandable you would be hesitant, but so glad God is telling you how important it is.
Lord, I pray for a faithful like-minded friend for Dawn, and that You will give her the courage to reach out. How I pray for Your healing for these wounds others have inflicted on my dear friend. In Jesus Name!
Lizzy
September 3, 2022
Dawn–so good, so true “It isn’t about me.” Praying for there to be an opportunity for good (in person) fellowship for you. As a fellow introvert I understand. I actually liked the part of Covid that meant I could stay home with y family! But like you said, it’s good for us to be together, a Body. Praying He brings you a special friend, you have so much to share.
2. Read again John 17:20-23 A. What have you seen so far in this prayer that has impacted you — and why? (Take time — review past 3 weeks) Trying to delve into what it means that Jesus has given us His glory as He has received it from the Father so that the world can see it and know that Jesus was sent by God. I feel like I fall way short of this. I don’t even know what this would look like in reality. B. Before listening to Keller, what do you think Jesus did not mean by “may all be one?” Too late! Lol
Thanks, Dawn. I’m glad you sense that. It’s understandable you would be hesitant, but so glad God is telling you how important it is.
Lord, I pray for a faithful like-minded friend for Dawn, and that You will give her the courage to reach out. How I pray for Your healing for these wounds others have inflicted on my dear friend. In Jesus Name!
2. Read again John 17:20-23 A. What have you seen so far in this prayer that has impacted you — and why? (Take time — review past 3 weeks)
This prayer has helped me to see that Jesus, being one with God and the Holy Spirit, is giving us God’s Word that we may be sanctified in His truth and become one with Him. And that we may become one with other believers in the Word. We are called to follow His pattern and take the truth to the rest of the world. B. Before listening to Keller, what do you think Jesus did not mean by “may all be one?”
I have not listened to Keller yet, but I have thought in the past that it meant all Christians should be united in getting along with one another, no quibbling within the church circles.
But this prayer also says ” I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word (our word); that they may all be one; even as You, Father are in Me and I in You, that they may also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.” He is praying for those people who will hear the gospel from us in the future.
My devotional (Tim Keller: The Songs of Jesus) is on Psalm 97:10-12. From Keller: When we believe in Christ, God’s Spirit indwells us (1Cor 3:16; 2Timothy 1:14; Romans 8:9-11). God then indeed sows light in us, and like a seed that grows it will spread wisdom and beauty in our lives. Christians fin what they see in the world ad in their own hearts making more sense. And people around Christians see them slowly but surely turning into something loving and beautiful.”
Tim Keller podcast. 3. What stood out to you and why?
Christianity was the first multi-ethnic religion. 4. Summarize Martin Lloyd Jones’ eye opening experience.
When he became a physician, he was at the top of “Class Society”. Then he became a Christian; he left medicine and became a preacher at a small mission church in Wales. He discovered he was learning from the people. He felt a oneness with those of different classes. A bond much more important than ethnicity or politics. The Gospel cuts through all of the differences because it changes your identity.
Tuesday: Listen Up to 10:48 of Keller Podcast 3. What stood out to you and why? – vs 20 Jesus starts to pray for us, not just his disciples. He wants us most to …that we may be one like Jesus is one with the Father. He wants us in unity. What is it, why is it important and how do we get it.
He wants his followers to be one in love and unity. It cannot mean we are to be in the same church. Because when the world sees this unity, they will be open to the claims of the gospel. No matter your status, Jesus wants ALL of us to be one. 4. Summarize Martin Lloyd Jones’ eye-opening experience. – he was converted as a young man and in the 1920’s he was a physician. He was at the top of his class and believed to be the smartest to come through the class, but he then got converted and things started to change. He wondered if it really happened to him. He left and became a preacher. The Christians he met were very poor, but he found a bond a joy and a love and he was learning from him. This was not what he had learned but these people did not feel like they were below him. This was when he knew something had changed in him because he felt he was on the same level as they were, and they were not beneath him. He started listening to others and what they believed which he never would have done if his heart had not been changed.
It brought back a memory from my childhood….the song “He’s got the whole world in His hands…”
4. Summarize Martin Lloyd Jones’ eye opening experience.
MLJ was a medical student who ended up in a prestigious position in the British government (the royal family). He was accustomed to the class system and was at the top. When he got converted things changed. He wondered if he really was a Christian. He eventually left medicine for a pastorship in a very poor, rural town. The people were illiterate and you would think he would have nothing in common with them. They were below him for sure. He found a bond in this community because of their love of Christ! He learned from them! He knew then that he really was a Christian. He had unity with these, the least likely, commoners.
Hello Dee and all my Sister’s in Christ, I wanted to participate in this weeks study, but the podcast won’t load on any of my “Smart” devices. It’s probably my weak internet connection here in the mountains of West Virginia. I am praying for you all and reading your comments. God Bless each of you as you seek Him and as we seek unity in His perfect Love.
3. What stood out to you and why? Jesus was praying for the unity of all believers, past and present. I think we will experience this and understand it perfectly in the kingdom to come. For now we need to do all that we can to maintain love and unity with all Christians. 4. Summarize Martin Lloyd Jones’ eye opening experience. He was reared in a class oriented society where it was natural for people to look down on those in a lower class. He was a well educated and respected doctor, but once he went into the ministry and worked at church in a very poor lower class society he realized that he was learning from them and he didn’t feel superior to them. He was humbled by this experience.
How have you experienced the risenness of Christ in your life this last week? So in last week I have struggled with strong emotions. Sort of like what might cause mild to lightly moderate fear or stress seem magnified, it sort feels like ‘oh no the sky is falling’. I think this is due to hormones, being more isolated and off my feet, and relational rejection. God has been so kind to me. First, this past weeks sermon was how not to be anxious, which I got from that, is where our our focus is changes how we feel. Am I focusing on the relational rejection or the beauty in other sweet relationships. Then how I am feeling drives me to my proverbial knees (not on my feet yet). 😉 it’s almost been like manna, each day my time with Him has settled my heart, and tuned down the big emotions/fears. It doesn’t mean that it doesn’t rise again but it feels doable after I talk with Him. I wish I would learn this lesson of consistency.
2. Read again John 17:20-23
A. What have you seen so far in this prayer that has impacted you — and why? (Take time — review past 3 weeks) “I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me.” This verse, and how with Jesus in us, we become one, and that the world will know that God the father sent Jesus and that will reveal God’s love for us.
B. Before listening to Keller, what do you think Jesus did not mean by “may all be one?”
Those who do hold to biblical teachings should be one with those who have Christian generic leanings.
I meant the ‘outward form of godliness’ a shallow, shadow of the true gospel. Sort of spiritual without true surrender to Jesus Christ.
So in other words what Jesus does not mean by unity, is that those who follow Jesus, should not be in union with those who don’t actually follow Him, but have spiritual leanings that are christian-like.
I think Americans are way too divided to “kumbayah” regarding certain topics. 6. What three ways should we be one according to Keller?
7. What difference did the Bosnian see between Christians in America and his country — and why?
The Dens and Reps hate each other here. It didn’t matter who you were or where you came from, you were joined because you had been through life and death together, and that’s what mattered.
8. American Christians have been divided over politics, over Covid — do you think it is possible that this may be why God is allowing more suffering to come to us than in the past?
In our church, I couldn’t tell you who is liberal vs conservative. It isn’t something we discuss. I also believe I can disagree with another Christian and still be friends or, if acquaintances, cordial.
I don’t believe God is making us suffer any more than usual. I think this has always been this way, just a different topic. In the seventies, my dad (Republican) and my mom (Democrat), both Christians, argued with each other about the inflation and other points of contention (Watergate). I think the Vietnam War was dicey too, although I was way too small to remember those days.
9. Why should true Christians be able to share their problems? Do you?
Christians should share their problems to help take care of each other. Sometimes a different perspective can really change the way a problem is viewed. TK told the story of the farmers losing their farms in the 70’s. Many were committing suicide because they were too proud to ask for help (isn’t pride a sin of sorts?). We should care about each other as Christians.
I do share my problems, most of the time.
10. Why should true Christians share truth in love? Do you?
We are required to be truthful to others whom we see making mistakes, but always in love.
“Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself.”
Galatians 6:1 NLT
This one is harder….it can seem judgmental if you aren’t careful. I can’t think of a time I did this …
The Father loves me just as He loves His Son.
so hard.
Non-Christians will only believe if they see a “back bone” of something that looks different than what they see in everyday life. In other words, the actions of a group (the church) must be different (the light) for them to truly believe.
Again, so hard. We get wrapped up in life like everyone else. It’s hard to remember who we are. I had a friend once say to me, “We Christians are so different from others, aren’t we?” There is a purpose though. Others need to understand that we are different. 12. What did Bonhoeffer say Christians tend to do and why should the gospel change everything?
Christians size each other up when they meet. We have a security in Christ so we don’t need to do this anymore.
Tuesday: Listen Up to 10:48 of Keller Podcast
3. What stood out to you and why? The clear point that how Christians by default or purpose define social order, based on financial means, social means, or political means, should cease defining others by any of these human derived definitions but by our shared relationships defined by Christ and our discipleship to Him.
4. Summarize Martin Lloyd Jones’ eye opening experience. He realized that his past ways of interacting with social structures were changing because of the new sight and understanding he received through Jesus.
Wednesday: Listen Up to 19:14 of Keller Podcast (to the break)
5. What stood out to you and why? We are to share our possessions, our burdens, God’s truth, and our failures. What stands out the most is I think one of the hardest which is to share the truth with others.
6. What three ways should we be one according to Keller? Already covered.
7. What difference did the Bosnian see between Christians in America and his country — and why? That the Bosnians could over look political differences because of their shared experiences.
8. American Christians have been divided over politics, over Covid — do you think it is possible that this may be why God is allowing more suffering to come to us than in the past? I mean so often suffering refines His people and grows them in faith, so I would not be surprised.
9. Why should true Christians be able to share their problems? Do you? Yes, but I filter according to relationship, depending on depth of trust, and maturity. I am pretty fully honest with a few.
10. Why should true Christians share truth in love? Do you? When I am obedient and do this, it’s so hard, hard because my people pleasing idol dies, hard because it can and has ended relationships, hard because basically you have to have the attitude that says ‘I love you enough and even more than I love our relationship, I love you enough to be willing to lose our friendship in order for you to hear this truth.
So sorry, friends! I am so behind her but thankful to be able to come and read the comments. I started my part-time job today and the last few days were spent preparing.
Monday: Quick Review
2. Read again John 17:20-23
A. What have you seen so far in this prayer that has impacted you — and why? (Take time — review past 3 weeks)
That Jesus prayed for me even before I was born because I believed in him through the message that had been brought from God the Father. I am as loved as the first disciples and His desire for me is to be one with the Father and the Son and other believers.
B. Before listening to Keller, what do you think Jesus did not mean by “may all be one?”
It does not refer to all of mankind. We cannot be one with unbelievers.
13. Summarize Flannery O’Connor’s short story, explaining what happened to Ruby Turpin. How is this relevant to us?
Ruby Turpin was an arrogant woman who gossiped about everyone, poor and rich alike. The poor were trash and the rich didn’t work as hard as she. One day she was in a drs office when a young lady got tired of listening to Ruby’s gossip. The young girl threw a book she was reading at the woman!
“They will know we are Christians by our love.”
Tuesday: Listen Up to 10:48 of Keller Podcast
3. What stood out to you and why?
That God can change the “furniture” of our hearts. He can re-arrange our priorities as we’d never seen the like of.
4. Summarize Martin Lloyd Jones’ eye-opening experience.
MLJ was a physician, top of his medical class, and was called to be a physician to the royal family. He was converted to Christianity as a young man, left his field, and went to become a preacher. He went to an impoverished village in Wales and served among the poorest of the poor. He discovered that he was learning from this “lower” than him people. And that the gospel transcends class, race, and intelligence.
Wednesday: Listen Up to 19:14 of Keller Podcast (to the break)
3. What stood out to you and why?
Christian communities can incorporate and turn failure and turn it into wisdom. We do not expel failure. We reconcile, we heal.
6. What three ways should we be one according to Keller? One in our Possessions -drastic openhandedness; sharing their home and space One in our Problems Galatians 6 Bear one another’s burdens Truth Ephesians 4:15 speaking the truth in love; it takes courage to talk about our sins; and to have somebody tell you what is wrong with you and to love you while that person is doing so Failures when you fail, you’re out. Christian communities can incorporate and turn failure and turn it into wisdom. We do not expel failure. We reconcile, we heal.
7. What difference did the Bosnian see between Christians in America and his country — and why?
He decided he was a Democrat and even if the other Christian brother is a Republican, they have been through death and life together; that is, dead to sin and made alive in Christ. A real Christian is one who has been deeply convicted of his/her lostness and then infinitely affirmed of God’s conditional life through Jesus. You can relate to all people not just understand their politics. The gospel brings us together.
8. American Christians have been divided over politics, over Covid — do you think it is possible that this may be why God is allowing more suffering to come to us than in the past?
If it is to give us a clarion call to pay attention, then, yes. God is allowing such things to happen.
9. Why should true Christians be able to share their problems? Do you?
We are called to do so as brothers and sisters in Christ. Yes, I have a few friends I share my problems with. I know they will be praying for me.
10. Why should true Christians share truth in love? Do you?
We look to the interest of others and not just ourselves. Yes to some of my friends and loved ones.
Thursday: Listen to 28:30
11. What stands out to you and why?
Self-righteousness is like a tooth infection. It must be taken out to get to the root problem.
12. What did Bonhoeffer say Christians tend to do and why should the gospel change everything?
We size each other up-we compare on looks, sophistication, deep in our hearts, we justify ourselves. Always negotiating our relationships
. What’s your take-a-way and why? My take away for this week is Unity. Eventhough I could not listen to Tim Keller’s message on John 17:21, I was able to read your comments and understand the message. There is so much division in our world, it seems to be getting worse every day. Dee, your last comment in the lesson “pray for one another…” really stood out to me. So that is what I have been doing and will continue. Thank-you all for your prayers for me, I finished the princess ball gown and it fit perfectly! My step granddaughter loved it! I told her that was the most prayed over dress I had ever made, it is thoroughly annointed! LOL!
Just touching base with this group so you know how to pray for me at this time. God blessed our time richly with family and friends on our trip to the Black Hills and then to Montana where we spent several days with our youngest daughter and her family. Going into Glacier National Park and seeing the majestic beauty of incredible Mountain views is always awe inspiring because it is God’s handiwork. And the delight of being with two little grandsons blesses our lives. We celebrated our 55th wedding anniversary treated to an amazing dinner by our son-in-law. God refreshed and encouraged us. His risenness and encouragement blessed our time over these past couple of weeks. But life goes on. Our last day of travel back to Nebraska I received a call from my sister that our 97 year old mother had suffered a heart attack. She had stabilized so I spent a night at home and then traveled early the next morning to be with her. My sis and I spent two days with her and presently are alternating days at the hospital. Mom has significant heart damage and it is a matter of days, weeks or possibly a few months. At this point we are looking to move her into a care facility near me which is close to Mom’s hometown and other family members. In the next few weeks my sis and I will be emptying her apartment at the retirement complex where she was living and dispersing her things. My sister is a strong and committed believer rich in a knowledge of God’s Word and incredibly gracious in her demeanor. Being with her always blesses my soul. And others too. Mom seems settled in spirit and God has provided many good nurses who seem to love her and treat her well. We have much to be grateful for at this time of need for her and us. I am seeing God’s gracious hand in a number of ways as we navigate this present time. Clinging to Him and his Word.
“I am the Lord your God who teaches you what it good for you and leads you along the paths you should follow”. Isaiah 48:17b
Your week reminds me of how Tim Keller says that because we have a heart of flesh instead of a heart of stone, we as believers feel both more joy and more pain. May the Lord take your mother home gently soon.
Oh, Bev! Your testimony here is always a blessing to me. Through the ups and downs of life or however the world calls them, God is with us. Love the verse in Isaiah 48:17b I will share this verse with a friend who is praying for wisdom as she makes a very important decision that will affect her and her family and her school.
Oh Bev! Such a hard time, but yet beautiful at the same time. Your family. I love how you speak of your sister. So sweet that you and she are close. Prayers for you and your mom.
Oh Bev, I understand and am just seeing this. Lord help Bev and her sister find comfort in you through each other for even the grief before loss is so so hard as you showed us in the garden. Just even the hard in going to her home and emptying it knowing she isn’t coming back. so so hard! Lord so thankful that you know this pain and want to walk with Bev and her sister through it.
Friday:
13. Summarize Flannery O’Connor’s short story, explaining what happened to Ruby Turpin. How is this relevant to us?
Ruby Turpin was a self-righteous, prideful Christian character in O’Connor’s story. Ruby is also condescending and looks down on people. At a doctor’s office, a book was thrown at her, and she was called a warthog and to return to hell where she came from by a woman named Mary Grace. Ruby became upset with this and was angry at Mary Grace and then later at God. She told God she did not deserve to be treated that way. Then she had a vision which convicted her of her folly.
I looked up a summary of this book and found this quote taken from the book. Made me see myself in my self-righteousness: Forgive me, Lord, and change my heart. “Upon it a vast horde of souls were rumbling toward heaven. There were whole companies of white trash, clean for the first time in their lives, and bands of black niggers in white robes, and battalions of freaks and lunatics shouting and clapping and leaping like frogs. And bringing up the end of the procession was a tribe of people whom she recognized at once as those who, like herself and Claud, always had a little of everything, and God-given wit to use it right. She leaned forward to observe them closer. They were marching behind the others with great dignity, accountable as they had always been for good order and common sense and respectable behavior. They alone were on key. Yet she could see their shocked and altered faces that even their virtues were being burned away. She lowered her hands and gripped the rail of the hog pen, her eyes small but fixed unblinkingly on what lie ahead. In a moment the vision faded but she remained where she was, immobile.”
Saturday:
14. What’s your take-a-way and why?
What Tim Keeler said about Paul, the apostle “My virtues are keeping me from God…” “As long as their virtues are burned away, Pharisees can go to heaven….”
The ground is level at the foot of the Cross when we come to Jesus humbly, acknowledging that our righteousness can only come from him.
2. Read again John 17:20-23 A. What have you seen so far in this prayer that has impacted you — and why? (Take time — review past 3 weeks) I think God knew we would have divisions because we are in a fallen world otherwise why would He pray that we all be one? This shows me how crucial it is for believers to love one another as He loves us and we will be unified. I must add that I think our love for God will flesh itself out by whether or not we love our brothers and sisters. Love encompasses sacrificial forgiveness, patience, forbearing, longsuffering, kindess. All aspects we are unable to do without His spirit inside. By His Spirit inside we are able! B. Before listening to Keller, what do you think Jesus did not mean by “may all be one?” Jesus didn’t mean to be one with those who profess Christ but don’t know Him or do know Him and are in rebellion via partaking in an unbiblical movement. I’m thinking of the word faith movement perhaps as an example and other unbiblical movements that erode the foundation of the Gospel in hearts and move believers astray. I could be mistaken, but I think Hebrews addresses this.
11. What stands out to you and why? I really appreciate what he has to say about how we (me) sinners size eachother up and how that can reflect our desire to justify ourselves or affects our own self-value. It rung true for me, how I can allow insecurity cause me to do that instead of humbling myself in service to others.
12. What did Bonhoeffer say Christians tend to do and why should the gospel change everything? The gospel should change everything because none of us stand on our own merits, God’s love and righteousness is our identity and its His love that frees us from measuring up, or measuring others down.
13. Summarize Flannery O’Connor’s short story, explaining what happened to Ruby Turpin. How is this relevant to us? In the fictional story we see a present day Pharisee, who prides herself in how ‘great’ she is how hard working she is, how much better than everyone she is, and is deeply entrenched into the sin of pride and gossip. Then God disrupts her life quite suddenly through an encounter where she is told to go back to hell, through this encounter she wrestles with God, and He gives her a vision of how those who are filled with self-righteous virtue will need all that the virtue burned away, and will be behind all the weirdo’s saved by grace. I think most of us have this tendency, maybe not to this extreme, even if we have a sort of inside-out way of expressing it, where we might go the other extreme, like ‘see how hard I self-sacrifice, I work so hard to serve others’ but its still finding merit, self value in other.
14. What’s your take-a-way and why? My take-a-way is a caution, I can feel insecure, especially being new at church, to not allow that insecurity to influence how I discern others, or how I measure myself. A caution to have my focus on the gospel, and my God and less on my insecurities, and where that focus leads.
I pray this key verse for us today, that we will serve as conduits of unity among our churches and the community of believers, far and wide. Dee, I am especially thankful for you and your significant impact on our lives and in the lives of many others. May the Lord continue to bless you with His favor. “that they may be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.” John 17:21
3. What stood out to you and why? All of them may be one. not just the rich, poor, white, black, asian, hispanic, etc. across all barriers. I’m definitely a Christian. Praise GOD! 🙂
4. Summarize Martin Lloyd Jones’ eye opening experience.
He was a physician and was at the top of his class and the most brilliant med student. As a result, he became at the top of the highest class in society. In that culture when you were at the top you had nothing to do with the lower class and he was on board with that. Then he got converted and found a bond with illiterate, poor people and found it to be a joy learning from them. That’s when it was evident he truly was a Christian.
5. What stood out to you and why?
That Christians can turn our failures into wisdom. Also Jesus said that ALL may be one. that doesn’t mean denominations, but things like class, race, etc. This is also a mark of a Christian.
6. What three ways should we be one according to Keller? We should be one in sharing possessions. One in sharing our problems and failures. One in sharing the truth in love. The flaws-sins are the ones you can’t see and we desperately need someone to tell us about them. Others can see your sins but they are afraid to tell you because they are afraid of your reaction but if you do it in love and they clearly love you and it’s hurting them to tell you and is telling you anyway that is love. 7. What difference did the Bosnian see between Christians in America and his country — and why? Bosnian Christians have been through life and death together and that is what made the difference between them and us. They don’t care if they are democrats or republicans that doesn’t matter as much. The Gospel cuts through all of that. It changes your identity. The things that were important in the past are no longer important. 8. American Christians have been divided over politics, over Covid — do you think it is possible that this may be why God is allowing more suffering to come to us than in the past? I haven’t thought of that before! I thought He was sifting us and He could be, but after thinking about this question, Yes! We’ve been so divided over politics and certainly COVID. The Gospel cuts through the peripherals and to the heart so if we are sinning by holding that against one another, God will work to straighten us out. 9. Why should true Christians be able to share their problems? Do you? I’ve shared some of the deepest with believers I trust and know will lift me up but also tell me the truth in love. I sooooo need that to grow and that is why God gives us one another.
My husband doesn’t believe he should get the shot because he thinks it is a way the government can control us. I disagreed and thought it’s just a shot like any other vaccination, and I got the shots but we didn’t hold that against one another. In light of eternity and what matters most, it’s foolish to allow these disagreements to divide us, but I say that with caution because I used to be in that camp but God straightened me out in time and with love via this blog. It hasn’t changed my political persuasion much though I choose to see the world through the lens of scripture, not political ideology so it has changed a bit. 10. Why should true Christians share truth in love? Do you? I really need to grow in this for I am afraid they will become upset with me if I do. I am a peace keeper and peace maker but that can become idolatry when my motive is to protect myself. I have a dear sister in the Lord who’s living with her boyfriend and drinking heavily. I’m really really concerned about her for how she will end up hurt and possibly an alcoholic for that runs in her family. We’ve had discussions but I haven’t had the courage to say anything to her, so I’ll pray and ask God to help me to trust Him more for timing and give me courage to seize those times.
A thought just occurred. The only reason I wanted to go back to the church I grew up in as a believer is primarily love. Love for everyone there. That is Christ in me, not me for I would prefer a gifted worship team and prefer reformed teaching overall but our new pastor is really kind, gentle and a really good pastor and teacher. The church was in bad shape when we arrived and is rebuilding now, and God has us there to help with part of it. I am firm that at this point and time God wants us there, and I don’t know why yet, and I don’t know what the future holds, so am trusting God one step at a time.
Rebecca, your post really meant a lot to me. I have been feeling that we are at an important transition in our church. It has been a longing for my husband and I to see some of these things to happen. The pandemic sure was a big contributor to the difficulties that brought some heart wrenching experiences for him as a pastor and me as his wife. But what you said “God wants us there…trusting God one step at a time” blessed me as I see new people come and old folks taking on more ministry responsibilities. Thanks for sharing!
Bing, I’ll pray for you all and your beautiful church. I love to hear how God is moving to bring new people. It sounds like He’s at work and that you and your husband are trusting Him in this! Keep pressing in sister! ❤️
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God Hunt Sunday
1. How have you experienced the risenness of Christ in your life this last week?
I have experienced the risenness of Christ through God’s Word. The more I read and meditate, the more I sense His presence in my life through the big and small things. In one of his articles, David Jeremiah said, “the great and small equally matter to God.” Whether I am in my garden (the whole earth is full of his glory (Isaiah 6:3) or grabbing a hotdog for a quick lunch at Sam’s Club with my husband (whatever you do, do it for the glory of God (I Corinthians 10:31), His Word is like a fire, igniting a sense of wonder (What is man that you are mindful of him? Psalm 8:4).
George Beverly Shea’s song comes to mind:
There’s the wonder of sunset at evening,
The wonder as sunrise I see;
But the wonder of wonders that thrills my soul
Is the wonder that God loves me.
O, the wonder of it all! The wonder of it all!
Just to think that God loves me.
O, the wonder of it all! The wonder of it all!
Just to think that God loves me.
Lovely, Bing.
I love this, Bing! Seeing His dear face along the daily path.
This was such an uplifting post Bing and that George Beverly Shea song brought back fond memories of my childhood…a definite favorite🎶❤️
This is beautiful, Bing. What a wonderful way to start this week. He is in everywhere and in all we do and see. Thankful for this and thankful for you.
“Just to think that God loves ME!” I’m still amazed at why he chose me to be one with him.
My daughter refused to get up this morning to attend church with me. My son dawdled so long in the bathroom “fixing his hair.” I was dead-tired but had forced myself to get up early to go to church with my family, but by the time my little son and I finally got on the road, the church service was half over. Dejectedly, I turned around and went home. I watched the sermon on Facebook live and so wished to be there. As I opened this blog just now, the question for today was, “How did you experience the risen-ness of Christ this week?” How an arrow smote my heart by that question! I’m sitting here in gloom and sadness because of the events of the morning, and all the while CHRIST IS RISEN FROM THE DEAD!!! The circumstances of life don’t have to overwhelm me and drive me to despair. HE IS RISEN, SEATED AT THE FATHER’S RIGHT HAND, AND PRAYING FOR ME!! I’m in tears now as I realize how quickly I forget that He ever lives and has conquered over all! Thank you, dear Lord Jesus, for rising from that tomb, never to die again, and that Your risen-ness is real and mine for the taking regardless of the death around me and in me.
Miriam, I appreciate your transparency…so refreshing. Your post reminded me of a verse in Ephesians 1 that I have come to love. Verse 7, ““He is so rich in kindness and grace that he purchased our freedom with the blood of his Son and forgave our sins.”
What an awesome God we serve and oh how He loves us!! You and your family are in my prayers.
This is a perfect reminder that He is so very present with us, even in those hard and really messy times. I appreciate this so much, Missy. I had a couple of days like that this week and this is such a good reminder that our small setbacks, are mere stepping stones to seeing that He is here with us in all of it. HE is our ALL and He turns our darkness to Light and Life. Thank you for sharing.
Life can be so frustrating and messy — I too love your transparency, Missy.
Missy, what a great reminder in the midst of living in this messy world. He is with us through the Holy Spirit. His presence at the Father’s right hand interceding for each of us is such a beautiful picture.
oh Missy. WOW. I’ve so missed being here but have struggled to fit it all in especially with my job lately, and some things the Lord is working on in me lately has me reading a lot and digging deep… but what I just read here from you, stopped me in my tracks: “The circumstances of life don’t have to overwhelm me and drive me to despair. HE IS RISEN, SEATED AT THE FATHER’S RIGHT HAND, AND PRAYING FOR ME!!”
BEAUTIFUL. Thank you!!
Sunday
1. How have you experienced the risenness of Christ in your life this last week?
This last week we went to Lowes and my husband was busy ordering stuff for a project so I stole away to the garden department…my favorite spot. While walking around looking at the flowers there were bumble bees all over them. I pulled out my phone and started photographing these beautiful creatures that God made with such purpose. I wish I could share the photos on here but I found this fact about bumblebees…Aerodynamically , the bumble bee shouldn’t be able to fly , but it doesn’t that know that and goes on flying anyway. It got me thinking how much do I get in the way of God doing great things in my life because I have doubts, lack faith and understanding, when I need to be like the bumble bee, put my trust in our amazing Creator…and fly!
Proverbs 3:5,6
“Trust in the Lord with all your heart; do not depend on your own understanding. Seek his will in all you do, and he will show you which path to take.”
I Love this, Sharon!! Oh, reading this Blog is my Christ risenness for this week!! Thank you for sharing the story of the bumble bee!
I echo what Patti just said. Bumble bees-what a lesson to trust God and just fly!
So thankful for all you do dear Dee! You have blessed us with this amazing and meaningful Blog. I am including my correct email address.
1. How have you experienced the risenness of Christ in your life this last week? After reading all of the comments you all have posted today, I agree whole-heartedly with the comment thar “this blog is showing me the risenness of Christ”! I finished my challenging sewing project today and now have to wait all week for the princess to come home from college to try it on. I am praying for a perfect fit. So glad prayer got me through the stress of working with an uncooperative fabric. Tomorrow I have to drive to a city a couple of hours North to see a Orthopaedic specialist for a bone tumor in my right femur. The radiologist report says it appears to be benign, so it should be fairly straightforward. Never-the-less I am feeling apprehensive, praying for God’s perfect Peace. Thank-you for all the honest and inspiring comments you make here, it is so encouraging!
Lydia, a prayer verse for you: “You will keep in perfect peace those whose minds are steadfast because they trust in you.” Isaiah 26:3
Amen! The appointment went well, the doctor is reviewing the MRI film and will let me know if I will need surgery. I am praying for no surgery.
Thank-you for the encouragment in scripture, Bing!
Amen to Bing’s prayer for you, Lydia. I will be praying for you to have the peace that only Jesus can give. I pray for you to be free of anxiety. May every cell in your body be healthy. “And the peace of God, which surpasses all comprehension, will guard your heart and mind in Christ Jesus.” Phil 4:7
What an amazing gifts you have ~ to make this beautiful gown. I pray with you that the fit is perfect. The princess will be so excited.
Thank-you so much Patti! I really felt an incredible peace today, the appoinment went well. The doctor will be calling me in 2 weeks to tell me if I need surgery. Praying for no surgery.
May it be benign with no surgery, please Lord.
Amen to Dee’s prayer, Lydia. Benign, no surgery.
Amen!
1. God hunt –
I didn’t have anything too special this week, but that in its own right is the God hunt! A peace and calmness was apparent as I moved through my week, stating school.
2. Read again John 17:20-23
A. What have you seen so far in this prayer that has impacted you — and why? (Take time — review past 3 weeks)
I think it’s amazing that Jesus is praying for me. So sweet! Thank You Lord! I think I have mentioned before that my husband will tell the kids that their blood is in him and his blood is in them. I thought that was so sweet too. It reminds me of this prayer.
B. Before listening to Keller, what do you think Jesus did not mean by “may all be one?”
I think He didn’t mean we would all be the same, but different in Him. That we encompass Him, and His traits and characteristics through our own uniqueness given by Him.
Monday
2. Read again John 17:20-23
A. What have you seen so far in this prayer that has impacted you — and why? (Take time — review past 3 weeks)
The importance of unity among Christians as this is what will have an impact on the world, good or bad. If there is unity it will draw the world to believe in Him and show them the love God has for us and us for Him.
B. Before listening to Keller, what do you think Jesus did not mean by “may all be one?”
I go back to the quote you gave us by Francis Schaffer…it does not mean that we must agree on everything but love in everything. If I fail in my love toward my brother, the world will not believe the Father sent the Son, but that Jesus was just a man just like us.
Amen to this, Sharon! I go back to the quote you gave us by Francis Schaffer…it does not mean that we must agree on everything but love in everything. If I fail in my love toward my brother, the world will not believe the Father sent the Son, but that Jesus was just a man just like us.
God Hunt Sunday
1. How have you experienced the risenness of Christ in your life this last week? – I can’t just pinpoint a specific thing this week, but I’ve just felt at peace about a lot of different things. I’ve felt joy at church, and peace for my very good friend who will find out tomorrow on what her steps will be for her recent diagnosis of ovarian cancer. We have been praying that God just removes it and it’s gone, but he has also been showing her and me at different times, just how good He turly is. He has been directing her to different songs that encourage and give life and to me different bible verses that I’m reading are all about His love for us and how He will see us through. It’s been amazing to see where he leads us and just how much he hears us.
Monday: Quick Review
2. Read again John 17:20-23
A. What have you seen so far in this prayer that has impacted you — and why? (Take time — review past 3 weeks) – I’m seeing that everything God leads us to do is in a sense a chain reaction that will go from us to the next person and to the person after them and it continues until He returns. We have to be diligent in know His Word and following it. We need to hear His still small voice telling us what we should do and follow through with it right then. Our obedience to His call is important for the next person to know who He is. We don’t want to miss a chance that is given to us to show others the power in knowing Jesus. If there is unity among us as followers, we will be stronger against what the world today is dishing out today.
B. Before listening to Keller, what do you think Jesus did not mean by “may all be one?” – Is he referring to those who don’t know Jesus or have not truly given their life to Christ? To be one with another, we need to be in agreement for the major workings of Christ’s life and those who don’t think there is a God or can’t see his goodness through the judgement, may not fit in to the unity of one.
Jesus was praying that believers would be one, for what you say is true. Yet sadly, there is so much division among believers.
1. How have you experienced the risenness of Christ in your life this last week? As happens frequently in my life. I started reading the book The Mark of a True Christian (about love especially among fellow Christians), I listen to Tim Keller’s podcast (in order) on my way to work and the series that he is doing is on unity and the church, and my pastor has been speaking the past few weeks on how the world will recognize us and be drawn by our love for one another.
I am a very introverted person and it takes forever for me to feel comfortable around people. It takes a lot for me to go to things like womens’ bible study or retreats if I don’t already know the people. After a church split, losing friends, and seeing some of the shallower sides of people I was very hesitant to even start to get to know anybody or get involved in my current church, eventually I started going to the bible studies and started to feel more comfortable around everyone. Then the pandemic hit. There are only 3 women in my church who were there before the pandemic. Not one person from our ladies bible study or fellowship group is there. No explanation, nothing. We have each other’s phone numbers and email addresses so there is no reason to not reach out.
I decided that I am done doing this anymore. I have you ladies here for fellowship and I have my family. Now I’m feeling that God is telling that this isn’t the case. It isn’t about me.
I just realized that the Tim Keller sermon that you recommended for this week “just happened” to be the one that was next in my sermon line up this morning. I listened to it without knowing that I was supposed to.
Dawn — I just need a little clarification. Are you saying you decided not to have in-person small group fellowship, but then decided you needed to have it?
I do sense the Lord is telling me that I’m on the wrong path by choosing not to get involved with and have genuine love for the people in my church because of past hurts with other people.
Thanks, Dawn. I’m glad you sense that. It’s understandable you would be hesitant, but so glad God is telling you how important it is.
Lord, I pray for a faithful like-minded friend for Dawn, and that You will give her the courage to reach out. How I pray for Your healing for these wounds others have inflicted on my dear friend. In Jesus Name!
Dawn–so good, so true “It isn’t about me.” Praying for there to be an opportunity for good (in person) fellowship for you. As a fellow introvert I understand. I actually liked the part of Covid that meant I could stay home with y family! But like you said, it’s good for us to be together, a Body. Praying He brings you a special friend, you have so much to share.
2. Read again John 17:20-23
A. What have you seen so far in this prayer that has impacted you — and why? (Take time — review past 3 weeks) Trying to delve into what it means that Jesus has given us His glory as He has received it from the Father so that the world can see it and know that Jesus was sent by God. I feel like I fall way short of this. I don’t even know what this would look like in reality.
B. Before listening to Keller, what do you think Jesus did not mean by “may all be one?” Too late! Lol
Thanks, Dawn. I’m glad you sense that. It’s understandable you would be hesitant, but so glad God is telling you how important it is.
Lord, I pray for a faithful like-minded friend for Dawn, and that You will give her the courage to reach out. How I pray for Your healing for these wounds others have inflicted on my dear friend. In Jesus Name!
2. Read again John 17:20-23
A. What have you seen so far in this prayer that has impacted you — and why? (Take time — review past 3 weeks)
This prayer has helped me to see that Jesus, being one with God and the Holy Spirit, is giving us God’s Word that we may be sanctified in His truth and become one with Him. And that we may become one with other believers in the Word. We are called to follow His pattern and take the truth to the rest of the world.
B. Before listening to Keller, what do you think Jesus did not mean by “may all be one?”
I have not listened to Keller yet, but I have thought in the past that it meant all Christians should be united in getting along with one another, no quibbling within the church circles.
But this prayer also says ” I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word (our word); that they may all be one; even as You, Father are in Me and I in You, that they may also be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.” He is praying for those people who will hear the gospel from us in the future.
My devotional (Tim Keller: The Songs of Jesus) is on Psalm 97:10-12. From Keller: When we believe in Christ, God’s Spirit indwells us (1Cor 3:16; 2Timothy 1:14; Romans 8:9-11). God then indeed sows light in us, and like a seed that grows it will spread wisdom and beauty in our lives. Christians fin what they see in the world ad in their own hearts making more sense. And people around Christians see them slowly but surely turning into something loving and beautiful.”
Tim Keller podcast. 3. What stood out to you and why?
Christianity was the first multi-ethnic religion.
4. Summarize Martin Lloyd Jones’ eye opening experience.
When he became a physician, he was at the top of “Class Society”. Then he became a Christian; he left medicine and became a preacher at a small mission church in Wales. He discovered he was learning from the people. He felt a oneness with those of different classes. A bond much more important than ethnicity or politics. The Gospel cuts through all of the differences because it changes your identity.
Isn’t that so beautiful!
Tuesday: Listen Up to 10:48 of Keller Podcast
3. What stood out to you and why? – vs 20 Jesus starts to pray for us, not just his disciples. He wants us most to …that we may be one like Jesus is one with the Father. He wants us in unity. What is it, why is it important and how do we get it.
He wants his followers to be one in love and unity. It cannot mean we are to be in the same church. Because when the world sees this unity, they will be open to the claims of the gospel. No matter your status, Jesus wants ALL of us to be one.
4. Summarize Martin Lloyd Jones’ eye-opening experience. – he was converted as a young man and in the 1920’s he was a physician. He was at the top of his class and believed to be the smartest to come through the class, but he then got converted and things started to change. He wondered if it really happened to him. He left and became a preacher. The Christians he met were very poor, but he found a bond a joy and a love and he was learning from him. This was not what he had learned but these people did not feel like they were below him. This was when he knew something had changed in him because he felt he was on the same level as they were, and they were not beneath him. He started listening to others and what they believed which he never would have done if his heart had not been changed.
3. What stood out to you and why?
It brought back a memory from my childhood….the song “He’s got the whole world in His hands…”
4. Summarize Martin Lloyd Jones’ eye opening experience.
MLJ was a medical student who ended up in a prestigious position in the British government (the royal family). He was accustomed to the class system and was at the top. When he got converted things changed. He wondered if he really was a Christian. He eventually left medicine for a pastorship in a very poor, rural town. The people were illiterate and you would think he would have nothing in common with them. They were below him for sure. He found a bond in this community because of their love of Christ! He learned from them! He knew then that he really was a Christian. He had unity with these, the least likely, commoners.
Hello Dee and all my Sister’s in Christ, I wanted to participate in this weeks study, but the podcast won’t load on any of my “Smart” devices. It’s probably my weak internet connection here in the mountains of West Virginia. I am praying for you all and reading your comments. God Bless each of you as you seek Him and as we seek unity in His perfect Love.
That must be it, Lydia. I’m sorry. I know you could purchase it at Gospel in Life, but understand if you don’t want to do that.
3. What stood out to you and why? Jesus was praying for the unity of all believers, past and present. I think we will experience this and understand it perfectly in the kingdom to come. For now we need to do all that we can to maintain love and unity with all Christians.
4. Summarize Martin Lloyd Jones’ eye opening experience. He was reared in a class oriented society where it was natural for people to look down on those in a lower class. He was a well educated and respected doctor, but once he went into the ministry and worked at church in a very poor lower class society he realized that he was learning from them and he didn’t feel superior to them. He was humbled by this experience.
How have you experienced the risenness of Christ in your life this last week? So in last week I have struggled with strong emotions. Sort of like what might cause mild to lightly moderate fear or stress seem magnified, it sort feels like ‘oh no the sky is falling’. I think this is due to hormones, being more isolated and off my feet, and relational rejection. God has been so kind to me. First, this past weeks sermon was how not to be anxious, which I got from that, is where our our focus is changes how we feel. Am I focusing on the relational rejection or the beauty in other sweet relationships. Then how I am feeling drives me to my proverbial knees (not on my feet yet). 😉 it’s almost been like manna, each day my time with Him has settled my heart, and tuned down the big emotions/fears. It doesn’t mean that it doesn’t rise again but it feels doable after I talk with Him. I wish I would learn this lesson of consistency.
2. Read again John 17:20-23
A. What have you seen so far in this prayer that has impacted you — and why? (Take time — review past 3 weeks) “I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me.” This verse, and how with Jesus in us, we become one, and that the world will know that God the father sent Jesus and that will reveal God’s love for us.
B. Before listening to Keller, what do you think Jesus did not mean by “may all be one?”
Those who do hold to biblical teachings should be one with those who have Christian generic leanings.
What does Christian generic leanings mean, Tammy Jo? 🙂
I meant the ‘outward form of godliness’ a shallow, shadow of the true gospel. Sort of spiritual without true surrender to Jesus Christ.
So in other words what Jesus does not mean by unity, is that those who follow Jesus, should not be in union with those who don’t actually follow Him, but have spiritual leanings that are christian-like.
5. What stood out to you and why?
I think Americans are way too divided to “kumbayah” regarding certain topics.
6. What three ways should we be one according to Keller?
7. What difference did the Bosnian see between Christians in America and his country — and why?
The Dens and Reps hate each other here. It didn’t matter who you were or where you came from, you were joined because you had been through life and death together, and that’s what mattered.
8. American Christians have been divided over politics, over Covid — do you think it is possible that this may be why God is allowing more suffering to come to us than in the past?
In our church, I couldn’t tell you who is liberal vs conservative. It isn’t something we discuss. I also believe I can disagree with another Christian and still be friends or, if acquaintances, cordial.
I don’t believe God is making us suffer any more than usual. I think this has always been this way, just a different topic. In the seventies, my dad (Republican) and my mom (Democrat), both Christians, argued with each other about the inflation and other points of contention (Watergate). I think the Vietnam War was dicey too, although I was way too small to remember those days.
6. What three ways should we be one according to Keller?
Possessions – we should share with each other.
Problems – we should share our problems with each other.
Truth – we need to be truthful in love with each other.
9. Why should true Christians be able to share their problems? Do you?
Christians should share their problems to help take care of each other. Sometimes a different perspective can really change the way a problem is viewed. TK told the story of the farmers losing their farms in the 70’s. Many were committing suicide because they were too proud to ask for help (isn’t pride a sin of sorts?). We should care about each other as Christians.
I do share my problems, most of the time.
10. Why should true Christians share truth in love? Do you?
We are required to be truthful to others whom we see making mistakes, but always in love.
“Dear brothers and sisters, if another believer is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself.”
Galatians 6:1 NLT
This one is harder….it can seem judgmental if you aren’t careful. I can’t think of a time I did this …
11. What stands out to you and why?
The Father loves me just as He loves His Son.
so hard.
Non-Christians will only believe if they see a “back bone” of something that looks different than what they see in everyday life. In other words, the actions of a group (the church) must be different (the light) for them to truly believe.
Again, so hard. We get wrapped up in life like everyone else. It’s hard to remember who we are. I had a friend once say to me, “We Christians are so different from others, aren’t we?” There is a purpose though. Others need to understand that we are different.
12. What did Bonhoeffer say Christians tend to do and why should the gospel change everything?
Christians size each other up when they meet. We have a security in Christ so we don’t need to do this anymore.
Great listening to the sermon, Laura!
Tuesday: Listen Up to 10:48 of Keller Podcast
3. What stood out to you and why? The clear point that how Christians by default or purpose define social order, based on financial means, social means, or political means, should cease defining others by any of these human derived definitions but by our shared relationships defined by Christ and our discipleship to Him.
4. Summarize Martin Lloyd Jones’ eye opening experience. He realized that his past ways of interacting with social structures were changing because of the new sight and understanding he received through Jesus.
Wednesday: Listen Up to 19:14 of Keller Podcast (to the break)
5. What stood out to you and why? We are to share our possessions, our burdens, God’s truth, and our failures. What stands out the most is I think one of the hardest which is to share the truth with others.
6. What three ways should we be one according to Keller? Already covered.
7. What difference did the Bosnian see between Christians in America and his country — and why? That the Bosnians could over look political differences because of their shared experiences.
8. American Christians have been divided over politics, over Covid — do you think it is possible that this may be why God is allowing more suffering to come to us than in the past? I mean so often suffering refines His people and grows them in faith, so I would not be surprised.
9. Why should true Christians be able to share their problems? Do you? Yes, but I filter according to relationship, depending on depth of trust, and maturity. I am pretty fully honest with a few.
10. Why should true Christians share truth in love? Do you? When I am obedient and do this, it’s so hard, hard because my people pleasing idol dies, hard because it can and has ended relationships, hard because basically you have to have the attitude that says ‘I love you enough and even more than I love our relationship, I love you enough to be willing to lose our friendship in order for you to hear this truth.
So sorry, friends! I am so behind her but thankful to be able to come and read the comments. I started my part-time job today and the last few days were spent preparing.
Monday: Quick Review
2. Read again John 17:20-23
A. What have you seen so far in this prayer that has impacted you — and why? (Take time — review past 3 weeks)
That Jesus prayed for me even before I was born because I believed in him through the message that had been brought from God the Father. I am as loved as the first disciples and His desire for me is to be one with the Father and the Son and other believers.
B. Before listening to Keller, what do you think Jesus did not mean by “may all be one?”
It does not refer to all of mankind. We cannot be one with unbelievers.
13. Summarize Flannery O’Connor’s short story, explaining what happened to Ruby Turpin. How is this relevant to us?
Ruby Turpin was an arrogant woman who gossiped about everyone, poor and rich alike. The poor were trash and the rich didn’t work as hard as she. One day she was in a drs office when a young lady got tired of listening to Ruby’s gossip. The young girl threw a book she was reading at the woman!
“They will know we are Christians by our love.”
Quite the story! I know O Connor wanted to shock us to our senses!
Tuesday: Listen Up to 10:48 of Keller Podcast
3. What stood out to you and why?
That God can change the “furniture” of our hearts. He can re-arrange our priorities as we’d never seen the like of.
4. Summarize Martin Lloyd Jones’ eye-opening experience.
MLJ was a physician, top of his medical class, and was called to be a physician to the royal family. He was converted to Christianity as a young man, left his field, and went to become a preacher. He went to an impoverished village in Wales and served among the poorest of the poor. He discovered that he was learning from this “lower” than him people. And that the gospel transcends class, race, and intelligence.
Wednesday: Listen Up to 19:14 of Keller Podcast (to the break)
3. What stood out to you and why?
Christian communities can incorporate and turn failure and turn it into wisdom. We do not expel failure. We reconcile, we heal.
6. What three ways should we be one according to Keller?
One in our Possessions -drastic openhandedness; sharing their home and space
One in our Problems Galatians 6 Bear one another’s burdens
Truth Ephesians 4:15 speaking the truth in love; it takes courage to talk about our sins; and to have somebody tell you what is wrong with you and to love you while that person is doing so
Failures when you fail, you’re out. Christian communities can incorporate and turn failure and turn it into wisdom. We do not expel failure. We reconcile, we heal.
7. What difference did the Bosnian see between Christians in America and his country — and why?
He decided he was a Democrat and even if the other Christian brother is a Republican, they have been through death and life together; that is, dead to sin and made alive in Christ. A real Christian is one who has been deeply convicted of his/her lostness and then infinitely affirmed of God’s conditional life through Jesus. You can relate to all people not just understand their politics. The gospel brings us together.
8. American Christians have been divided over politics, over Covid — do you think it is possible that this may be why God is allowing more suffering to come to us than in the past?
If it is to give us a clarion call to pay attention, then, yes. God is allowing such things to happen.
9. Why should true Christians be able to share their problems? Do you?
We are called to do so as brothers and sisters in Christ. Yes, I have a few friends I share my problems with. I know they will be praying for me.
10. Why should true Christians share truth in love? Do you?
We look to the interest of others and not just ourselves. Yes to some of my friends and loved ones.
Thursday: Listen to 28:30
11. What stands out to you and why?
Self-righteousness is like a tooth infection. It must be taken out to get to the root problem.
12. What did Bonhoeffer say Christians tend to do and why should the gospel change everything?
We size each other up-we compare on looks, sophistication, deep in our hearts, we justify ourselves. Always negotiating our relationships
. What’s your take-a-way and why? My take away for this week is Unity. Eventhough I could not listen to Tim Keller’s message on John 17:21, I was able to read your comments and understand the message. There is so much division in our world, it seems to be getting worse every day. Dee, your last comment in the lesson “pray for one another…” really stood out to me. So that is what I have been doing and will continue. Thank-you all for your prayers for me, I finished the princess ball gown and it fit perfectly! My step granddaughter loved it! I told her that was the most prayed over dress I had ever made, it is thoroughly annointed! LOL!
Such good news about the princess ball gown. A very prayed over dress!
Yes, Dee and an adjusted attitude in my heart! God is so good!
Coolest answer to prayer. He does care about great and small things alike that concern us!
Amen, He is a God of details!
Just touching base with this group so you know how to pray for me at this time. God blessed our time richly with family and friends on our trip to the Black Hills and then to Montana where we spent several days with our youngest daughter and her family. Going into Glacier National Park and seeing the majestic beauty of incredible Mountain views is always awe inspiring because it is God’s handiwork. And the delight of being with two little grandsons blesses our lives. We celebrated our 55th wedding anniversary treated to an amazing dinner by our son-in-law. God refreshed and encouraged us. His risenness and encouragement blessed our time over these past couple of weeks. But life goes on. Our last day of travel back to Nebraska I received a call from my sister that our 97 year old mother had suffered a heart attack. She had stabilized so I spent a night at home and then traveled early the next morning to be with her. My sis and I spent two days with her and presently are alternating days at the hospital. Mom has significant heart damage and it is a matter of days, weeks or possibly a few months. At this point we are looking to move her into a care facility near me which is close to Mom’s hometown and other family members. In the next few weeks my sis and I will be emptying her apartment at the retirement complex where she was living and dispersing her things. My sister is a strong and committed believer rich in a knowledge of God’s Word and incredibly gracious in her demeanor. Being with her always blesses my soul. And others too. Mom seems settled in spirit and God has provided many good nurses who seem to love her and treat her well. We have much to be grateful for at this time of need for her and us. I am seeing God’s gracious hand in a number of ways as we navigate this present time. Clinging to Him and his Word.
“I am the Lord your God who teaches you what it good for you and leads you along the paths you should follow”. Isaiah 48:17b
Your week reminds me of how Tim Keller says that because we have a heart of flesh instead of a heart of stone, we as believers feel both more joy and more pain. May the Lord take your mother home gently soon.
Oh, Bev! Your testimony here is always a blessing to me. Through the ups and downs of life or however the world calls them, God is with us. Love the verse in Isaiah 48:17b I will share this verse with a friend who is praying for wisdom as she makes a very important decision that will affect her and her family and her school.
I am praying for your Mom, you and your family. God’s perfect Peace envelope you all.🙏❤🙏
Oh Bev! Such a hard time, but yet beautiful at the same time. Your family. I love how you speak of your sister. So sweet that you and she are close. Prayers for you and your mom.
Oh Bev, I understand and am just seeing this. Lord help Bev and her sister find comfort in you through each other for even the grief before loss is so so hard as you showed us in the garden. Just even the hard in going to her home and emptying it knowing she isn’t coming back. so so hard! Lord so thankful that you know this pain and want to walk with Bev and her sister through it.
Praying Bev, may God bless you and your family with continued peace.
Friday:
13. Summarize Flannery O’Connor’s short story, explaining what happened to Ruby Turpin. How is this relevant to us?
Ruby Turpin was a self-righteous, prideful Christian character in O’Connor’s story. Ruby is also condescending and looks down on people. At a doctor’s office, a book was thrown at her, and she was called a warthog and to return to hell where she came from by a woman named Mary Grace. Ruby became upset with this and was angry at Mary Grace and then later at God. She told God she did not deserve to be treated that way. Then she had a vision which convicted her of her folly.
I looked up a summary of this book and found this quote taken from the book. Made me see myself in my self-righteousness: Forgive me, Lord, and change my heart.
“Upon it a vast horde of souls were rumbling toward heaven. There were whole companies of white trash, clean for the first time in their lives, and bands of black niggers in white robes, and battalions of freaks and lunatics shouting and clapping and leaping like frogs. And bringing up the end of the procession was a tribe of people whom she recognized at once as those who, like herself and Claud, always had a little of everything, and God-given wit to use it right. She leaned forward to observe them closer. They were marching behind the others with great dignity, accountable as they had always been for good order and common sense and respectable behavior. They alone were on key. Yet she could see their shocked and altered faces that even their virtues were being burned away. She lowered her hands and gripped the rail of the hog pen, her eyes small but fixed unblinkingly on what lie ahead. In a moment the vision faded but she remained where she was, immobile.”
Saturday:
14. What’s your take-a-way and why?
What Tim Keeler said about Paul, the apostle “My virtues are keeping me from God…” “As long as their virtues are burned away, Pharisees can go to heaven….”
The ground is level at the foot of the Cross when we come to Jesus humbly, acknowledging that our righteousness can only come from him.
2. Read again John 17:20-23
A. What have you seen so far in this prayer that has impacted you — and why? (Take time — review past 3 weeks) I think God knew we would have divisions because we are in a fallen world otherwise why would He pray that we all be one? This shows me how crucial it is for believers to love one another as He loves us and we will be unified. I must add that I think our love for God will flesh itself out by whether or not we love our brothers and sisters. Love encompasses sacrificial forgiveness, patience, forbearing, longsuffering, kindess. All aspects we are unable to do without His spirit inside. By His Spirit inside we are able!
B. Before listening to Keller, what do you think Jesus did not mean by “may all be one?” Jesus didn’t mean to be one with those who profess Christ but don’t know Him or do know Him and are in rebellion via partaking in an unbiblical movement. I’m thinking of the word faith movement perhaps as an example and other unbiblical movements that erode the foundation of the Gospel in hearts and move believers astray. I could be mistaken, but I think Hebrews addresses this.
11. What stands out to you and why? I really appreciate what he has to say about how we (me) sinners size eachother up and how that can reflect our desire to justify ourselves or affects our own self-value. It rung true for me, how I can allow insecurity cause me to do that instead of humbling myself in service to others.
12. What did Bonhoeffer say Christians tend to do and why should the gospel change everything? The gospel should change everything because none of us stand on our own merits, God’s love and righteousness is our identity and its His love that frees us from measuring up, or measuring others down.
13. Summarize Flannery O’Connor’s short story, explaining what happened to Ruby Turpin. How is this relevant to us? In the fictional story we see a present day Pharisee, who prides herself in how ‘great’ she is how hard working she is, how much better than everyone she is, and is deeply entrenched into the sin of pride and gossip. Then God disrupts her life quite suddenly through an encounter where she is told to go back to hell, through this encounter she wrestles with God, and He gives her a vision of how those who are filled with self-righteous virtue will need all that the virtue burned away, and will be behind all the weirdo’s saved by grace. I think most of us have this tendency, maybe not to this extreme, even if we have a sort of inside-out way of expressing it, where we might go the other extreme, like ‘see how hard I self-sacrifice, I work so hard to serve others’ but its still finding merit, self value in other.
14. What’s your take-a-way and why? My take-a-way is a caution, I can feel insecure, especially being new at church, to not allow that insecurity to influence how I discern others, or how I measure myself. A caution to have my focus on the gospel, and my God and less on my insecurities, and where that focus leads.
I pray this key verse for us today, that we will serve as conduits of unity among our churches and the community of believers, far and wide. Dee, I am especially thankful for you and your significant impact on our lives and in the lives of many others. May the Lord continue to bless you with His favor.
“that they may be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.” John 17:21
Amen, Bing! I echo your thoughts about this verse and about Dee and her ministry. May the Lord continue to bless you, Dee, with His favor.
Thank you all. Looking forward to doing Paige with this great group. Elijah and Elisha! Wow.
3. What stood out to you and why?
All of them may be one. not just the rich, poor, white, black, asian, hispanic, etc. across all barriers.
I’m definitely a Christian. Praise GOD! 🙂
4. Summarize Martin Lloyd Jones’ eye opening experience.
He was a physician and was at the top of his class and the most brilliant med student. As a result, he became at the top of the highest class in society. In that culture when you were at the top you had nothing to do with the lower class and he was on board with that. Then he got converted and found a bond with illiterate, poor people and found it to be a joy learning from them. That’s when it was evident he truly was a Christian.
5. What stood out to you and why?
That Christians can turn our failures into wisdom. Also Jesus said that ALL may be one. that doesn’t mean denominations, but things like class, race, etc. This is also a mark of a Christian.
6. What three ways should we be one according to Keller? We should be one in sharing possessions. One in sharing our problems and failures. One in sharing the truth in love. The flaws-sins are the ones you can’t see and we desperately need someone to tell us about them. Others can see your sins but they are afraid to tell you because they are afraid of your reaction but if you do it in love and they clearly love you and it’s hurting them to tell you and is telling you anyway that is love.
7. What difference did the Bosnian see between Christians in America and his country — and why? Bosnian Christians have been through life and death together and that is what made the difference between them and us. They don’t care if they are democrats or republicans that doesn’t matter as much. The Gospel cuts through all of that. It changes your identity. The things that were important in the past are no longer important.
8. American Christians have been divided over politics, over Covid — do you think it is possible that this may be why God is allowing more suffering to come to us than in the past? I haven’t thought of that before! I thought He was sifting us and He could be, but after thinking about this question, Yes! We’ve been so divided over politics and certainly COVID. The Gospel cuts through the peripherals and to the heart so if we are sinning by holding that against one another, God will work to straighten us out.
9. Why should true Christians be able to share their problems? Do you? I’ve shared some of the deepest with believers I trust and know will lift me up but also tell me the truth in love. I sooooo need that to grow and that is why God gives us one another.
My husband doesn’t believe he should get the shot because he thinks it is a way the government can control us. I disagreed and thought it’s just a shot like any other vaccination, and I got the shots but we didn’t hold that against one another. In light of eternity and what matters most, it’s foolish to allow these disagreements to divide us, but I say that with caution because I used to be in that camp but God straightened me out in time and with love via this blog. It hasn’t changed my political persuasion much though I choose to see the world through the lens of scripture, not political ideology so it has changed a bit.
10. Why should true Christians share truth in love? Do you? I really need to grow in this for I am afraid they will become upset with me if I do. I am a peace keeper and peace maker but that can become idolatry when my motive is to protect myself. I have a dear sister in the Lord who’s living with her boyfriend and drinking heavily. I’m really really concerned about her for how she will end up hurt and possibly an alcoholic for that runs in her family. We’ve had discussions but I haven’t had the courage to say anything to her, so I’ll pray and ask God to help me to trust Him more for timing and give me courage to seize those times.
A thought just occurred. The only reason I wanted to go back to the church I grew up in as a believer is primarily love. Love for everyone there. That is Christ in me, not me for I would prefer a gifted worship team and prefer reformed teaching overall but our new pastor is really kind, gentle and a really good pastor and teacher. The church was in bad shape when we arrived and is rebuilding now, and God has us there to help with part of it. I am firm that at this point and time God wants us there, and I don’t know why yet, and I don’t know what the future holds, so am trusting God one step at a time.
Rebecca — that is great. And great answers.
Rebecca, your post really meant a lot to me. I have been feeling that we are at an important transition in our church. It has been a longing for my husband and I to see some of these things to happen. The pandemic sure was a big contributor to the difficulties that brought some heart wrenching experiences for him as a pastor and me as his wife. But what you said “God wants us there…trusting God one step at a time” blessed me as I see new people come and old folks taking on more ministry responsibilities. Thanks for sharing!
Bing, I’ll pray for you all and your beautiful church. I love to hear how God is moving to bring new people. It sounds like He’s at work and that you and your husband are trusting Him in this! Keep pressing in sister! ❤️