For those joining us for this New Year, here is a brief summary of where we have been in Revelation. This is actually a good time to jump in, for we are beginning the final section which is full of hope and wonder.
There are several views of Revelation, but we have been studying the Idealist wiew with the help of David Campbell and his commentary Mystery Explained. (Available on kindle or paperback from Amazon.) He makes a strong case for the pictures in Revelation being symbolic rather than literal, and for the tribulation beginning at the ascension of Christ and ending at His return. The Idealist view does not subscribe to a Rapture. But that’s not a big deal, for whether you believe He is coming to take believers away or simply coming to reign in the New Earth and New Heaven, we need to be ready. Both views believe tribulation will increase in intensity at the end.
We have seen how God is judging the world and purifying true believers through four “judgments” described in Revelation which the Idealist view sees not as happening consecutively, but are four different perspectives (like the four gospels) of the same judgment. We have finished those and are now given a view of what will happen at the very end of time as we know it.
Babylon symbolizes the counterfeit church and the whole evil world system which has “cast a spell” on earth dwellers so that wrong seems right, and chaos increases. Plagues instead of being just in pockets of the earth, are world-wide. She has influenced all nations, and indeed, it seems the world has gone mad.
Now we come to the point where we see the events that will happen just before Christ’s return. The “spell” of Babylon is broken and she is thrown down to earth.
We will finish the eighteenth chapter this week and then have four to go after this week which will take us right up to the end of February, and the beginning of Lent, when we will begin a new study. My tentative plan is to take us on a Journey to the Cross with the help of Paul David Tripp, who has a devotional by that name. (Feel free to give input!)
Here is where we are this week. We have seen two songs, two women, and now we will see two cities. Before the “New Jerusalem” can come down out of heaven, the City of Babylon must be destroyed. She has cast a magic spell earth dwellers and will be thrown down in “one hour,” which portrays a short time, interpreting this symbolically rather than literally. At the close of Revelation 18, in verses 23-24, we see that she will be judged by God for three things:
- Pursuing the idol of worldly wealth (think of money gained through abortion, pornography, drugs, corruption, greed…)
- Sorcery (a magic spell of lies, calling evil good)
- Persecution of the saints (she is drunk with their blood)
John is given this vision, so sure that it seems like it has already happened. “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great.”
The 7 Seals, Trumpets, Visions, and Bowls, four perspectives of God’s 7 judgments, are over. Now, just before Christ returns, Babylon (the evil world systerm) falls speedily.
The magic spell, which we certainly have seen grow at unimaginable speed in the last decade, is broken.
I’ve been reading The Madness of Crowds by Robert Murray. I believe he has unusual insight, especially for an unbeliever, on why the world has gone mad. He explains that once individuals found their meaning through religion, but when they turned away from that, since “nature abhors a vacuum,” people began to find their meaning in their gender or race or political view — that became their IDENTITY, rather than God being their identity. It also became their purpose in life, their cause of justice (social, rather than biblical). Anyone “who seems to be on the wrong side of a question which may itself have just been reframed” is abhorred. It is “a new religion, if you will.” Intriguingly, Murray is both gay and atheist, yet I believe God is using him, as he used Cyrus (though he does not know Me – Isaiah said) to be a force for good. I believe Murray speaks sanity into this madness. He shows how scientific evidence has yet to back up many gender claims, and historical evidence disputes many political beliefs, yet that doesn’t matter in the madness. He also, as a gay, gives enormous insight into that community. He is thankful that persecution has lessened, but feels the LGBT+ is madness. He does not understand Christianity, for he calls himself a Christian atheist, which is certainly an oxymoron, but he does so because he has great respect for the good works Christians have done.
He is against the silencing of Christians and quotes John Stuart Mill, whom my own earthly father often quoted to me: “There is always hope when people are forced to listen to both sides of an argument, for when they attend only to one, errors harden into prejucide, and truth itself ceases to be truth.”
But God’s Word is sure, and this spell will be broken in “an hour” and Babylon will fall, as surely as the earthly Babylon of Isaiah’s day fell.
Sunday:
- What stands out to you from the above and why?
Monday: Review Revelation 18:1-8
2. Review Revelation 18:1-8
A. What has Babylon (the whole evil world system) become according to verses 1-2?
B. On what have the merchants of the world grown rich according to verse 3? Can you think of examples?
C. Though it may mean loss of money, power, and popularity, what are we told to do in verse 4? How might God be calling you to sacrifice worldly gain?
D. How might we support Christians who are facing loss through court battles, loss of jobs, or slander because they are standing with God?
E. How was Babylon proud and confident, and what will God do, according to verses 5-8?
Tuesday: Kings, Merchants, and Mariners Mourn
3. Read Revelation 18:9-19 aloud to yourself.
A. What stands out to you upon this reading and why?
B. How and why will the kings weep according to verses 9-10?
C. In Mystery Explained, under THE MOURNING OF KINGS…read up to “the second group” of mourners and share what you learn.
D. Who are the next group of mourners and describe how and why they are mourning. (verses 11-17)
E. In Mystery Explained, read from “The second group of mourners” to “the third group” and share what you learn.
F. Who mourns in verses 17-20?
G. Read Campbell’s final paragraph before THE PRONOUNCING OF GOD’S JUDGMENT. What do you learn?
Wednesday: Millstones
The picture of a millstone being thrown into the sea indicates that like a millstone, Babylon will never rise again. Campbell says, in addition, it mayalludes to Jesus warning that it would be better to be tied to a millstone and thrown in the sea than to lead little ones astray. We’ll talk about both!
4. Read Revelation 18:20-23
A. What is the cry in verse 20? Does this seem strange orright to you? Explain.
B. What does the angel do, and what does it represent in verse 21?
C. What do you think it will be like to have the sinful world system gone in the new heaven and new earth? Try to imagine.
D. What will be gone from the lives of those hostile to God according to verses 22-23?
5. Under THE PRONOUNCEMENT OF GOD’S JUDGMENT ON BABYLON, read the paragraph up to “the angel’s announcement” and share what stands out to you and why?
6. Read Matthew 18:6
A. What does Jesus say?
B. How might this apply to “Babylon?”
C. How might this apply to us?
Thursday: Justice for 3 Specific Sins
7. Read Revelation 18:23b-24 and list the 3 sins Babylon is being judged for – then, next to it, give an illustration of how you see this.
8. Do you have any propensity toward any of the above?
9. Read the paragraph that begins with “The angel’s announcement” up to Rejoicing in Heaven and share what stands out to you and why.
Friday: Optional Sermon
Norm Funk on Revelation 18
10 Share your notes and comments.
Saturday:
11. What is your take-a-way and why?
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1. What stands out to you from the above and why?
I like Paul David Tripp! We did a marriage Bible study with his work. He is funny 😉.
We have come a long way with Revelation. It has been a bit painful at times for me. I have also had several other times during our study where pastors have preached about it! I have been immersed with this book of the Bible. I still don’t know if I get it.
It seems to me that the author who claims to be a “Christian atheist” is actually trying to live in both worlds (the world of Jesus and the world of earth) at the same time; he is straddling both. He must choose if he calls himself a Christian at all. As our message at church today (on Rev 5) asked, “Are you all in for Jesus?”
Interesting you would call Paul David Tripp funny — a side I haven’t seen of him. Sometimes he seems sooooo serious — but maybe it is just the mustache.
Revelation is hard — but we’re getting into a bit easier territory. You’ve been a trooper.
Laura-I have his recent marriage book and you’re right, he has a dry humor at times! I’ve seen clips of the “What did you expect?” marriage seminar and he’s funny sometimes, so direct!
I look forward to that study Dee! I just started reading his devotional “40 Days of Hope”. I loved his New Morning Mercies devotional. I have always really liked him–he seems to have read my journals because I always feel like he speaks directly to my struggles and shines convicting light.
I’m so glad, Lizzy!!!!
Laura, good point. I didn’t think about how Robert Murray is straddling both sides. Keeping the doors open in hopes maybe that he will have others on either side see what he’s all about. The good thing I see is that he has not completely ruled out Christians if he doesn’t want us to be persecuted.
Laura, I like Paul Tripp, too! A friend gave me a copy of his book, “Instruments in the Redeemer’s hands”. wow-it is a heavy book. In fact, I don’t think I have finished it yet. He is very honest and raw. ” I am persuaded that churches today have many more consumers than committed participants… the church is merely an organization we belong to and we do not see it as a calling that shapes our entire life.”
I started following him after that and I think he is funny at times, too.
Looking forward to Revelation.
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Thank you for this. Looking forward to studying Revelation with you
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1. What stands out to you from the above and why?
The book you are reading, “The Madness of Crowds” by Robert Murray, sounds very interesting, especially since it is written by someone who is gay and an atheist. The LGBTQ+ agenda is really scary. I am glad at least some gays see the danger in it.
It was interesting and I thought him very rational, though he does not understand true Christianity.
I understand Sharon’s confusion too — and I will comment to her.
1. What stands out to you from the above and why?
I so appreciate your introduction of what’s ahead this week with the necessary destruction of Babylon and the judgment she will face.
Also, I am amazed at you. I so admire the way you are open to reading those from such a different point of view, always open to listen, seeking to understand. I learn so much from you Dee, convicted and challenged by your example.
I love too what your Dad would quote from Mill “There is always hope when people are forced to listen to both sides of an argument”.
Thanks, Lizzy. I am going to comment to Sharon on why I read some of the things I do — you may have heard it before, but maybe not!
It is so good to see your posts, Lizzy. Amen to all you said and to Dee’s Dad’s quote. I have missed you! The devotional you are reading sounds excellent.
Sunday
1. What stands out to you from the above and why?
I struggle with someone who is a gay Christian Atheist writing about the “madness of the crowds” for that in itself sounds like madness.
I know of Paul Tripp but have never listened to him or read any of his books but I follow him on Instagram and am encouraged by his posts.
I do have a question about the 7 visions and what they are.
I get it, Sharon! I must tell you a story. My favorite professor at Covenant was Jerram Barrs. He was a gentle wise man who radiated Christ. I love his book: Through His Eyes about the women in the Bible. Often Reformed churches, esp PCA can be quite hard on women and he opens that book by saying too often we see women primarily through the few restrictive verses in Scripture instead of Through His Eyes. But, I rabbit trail.
In one class he asked about books and movies that most impacted us, and we all listed Christian books and movies. He challenged us that because all true wisdom comes from above, that we shouldn’t discount some of the great writings of non-Christians. God used Cyrus “though he does not know me” to free the Jews. He talked about taking the plunder, sifting the gold from those who might not know Him but have been gifted. My own father bequeathed me “The Great Books” from people like Montaigne and Plato as well as Augustine and Pascal — and indeed, they have much wisdom. I just finished a new book called UNFOLLOW by Megan Phelps who was part of that cult in Kansas that carried signs God Hates Fags — and rejoiced with signs at the deaths at military funerals. I learned a lot from it, though was sad that though she left, she has not yet come to know the one true God. At least I don’t think so. I know that in Christ are all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge, but I also know that the Spirit blows where it will, and for reasons that we may not understand, He does sometimes give wisdom to those who do not know Him.
What are your thoughts, oh wise one?
Thank you, Dee, for all of your insights and for creating this wonderful study blog. I am daily blessed.
I do believe that the perspective of non-Christians can help us to understand their world. It can also give us insights how to build a bridge to communicate with those who don’t follow Christ. If we learn their perspective, we may be able to help them better see and know Jesus. Many who don’t believe, just have never sought Him. There are those who have met Jesus and then left the gay, entertainment, money making and worldly life styles (and cults). I agree, we don’t always know or understand God’s ways, but we can trust Him.
It is wonderful to see so many new ladies joining the blog. Welcome!
Oh Dee, don’t know about “wise one” but please know my struggle isn’t in the fact that it isn’t a “Christian” book/author but my first reaction was this author is himself living in a world of madness, although I’m sure he has good and though provoking things to say. As Keller says in regards to common grace (working on this) is that we need to be humble enough to think we can learn from non-Christian’s but we need to be careful, which I know you are. If a new/baby Christian read this book I hope someone like you would come along side them and direct them to the wisdom of God. But sadly this isn’t always the case.
I so appreciate our conversations…have learned so much from you and of course much more learning to have!
So true, Sharon. One of my favorite movies is The Apostle, but wouldn’t recommend it to a baby. Same with this book.
Thank you Dee for explaining in more detail on how us being open to reading non-Christian books/authors may in fact help us reach them in a way we would not know how to do. I have seen Christopher Yuan at our church along with his dad and mom. He co-authored Out of a Far Country: A Gay Son’s Journey to God, a broken Mother’s Search for Hope. I guess we can continue to pray that their eyes will be fully open to see the truth of God’s Word.
Oh my gosh! Christopher Yuan?! I read his story years ago and was so blessed! I could relate to his mother so well. Is this in Tennessee? Wish I could meet him 😉
Laura, no it was at our Church in Indiana. All 3 of them were so nice. His mom is a sweetheart for sure.
Loved that story of Christopher Yuan and his mother — I know there are interviews to be heard online.
I am ready for a serious study and this one looks fantastic!
Claudia — so very glad to have you!
Hello, Claudia!
I would like to take part in this bible study
Wonderful Julianne!
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2. Review Revelation 18:1-8
A. What has Babylon (the whole evil world system) become according to verses 1-2?
She has become a home for demons.
B. On what have the merchants of the world grown rich according to verse 3? Can you think of examples?
Her extravagant luxuries. I guess the Hollywood bunch and sports players is my first thought to extravagance that is unnecessary. Those reality shows and even the “YouTubers” fit in here.
C. Though it may mean loss of money, power, and popularity, what are we told to do in verse 4? How might God be calling you to sacrifice worldly gain?
Don’t take part in her sins because we will be punished with her. This made me think that unbelievers are still being given a chance to repent. Is this true?
I need to continue to “lay low,” keep my head to the grindstone, do what is right, not what feels good.
D. How might we support Christians who are facing loss through court battles, loss of jobs, or slander because they are standing with God?
We could donate monetarily, pray, continue to stand firm in our faith by being brave.
E. How was Babylon proud and confident, and what will God do, according to verses 5-8?
She glorified herself, lived in luxury, boasted about herself; she had no remorse. God will produce plagues of death, famine, and mourning. She will be consumed by fire. All this will happen in a day.
1.What stands out to you from the above and why?
I am so enjoying this study and it has given me a deeper perspective of God’s love for us and His desire for our hearts to turn toward Him alone for our fulfillment in this life. The only things that really count are the things we do for Him; to draw others to Him; to show others a path to our Savior by the way we live and conduct ourselves. I know this, yet I am easily distracted by my idols and the idols of this world.
This stood out to me: At the close of Revelation 18, in verses 23-24, we see that she will be judged by God for three things:
Pursuing the idol of worldly wealth (think of money gained through abortion, pornography, drugs, corruption, greed…)
Sorcery (a magic spell of lies, calling evil good)
Persecution of the saints (she is drunk with their blood)
Just reading the first long review (On Amazon) of The Madness of Crowds and Dee’s comments, caused me to buy the book. Mr. Murray seems to have a very good perspective on our current world.
These verses are two that really spoke to me this weekend: John 7:17-18 If anyone is willing to do His will, he will know of the teaching, whether it is of God or whether I speak from Myself. He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who is seeking the glory of the One who sent Him, He is true, and there is no unrighteousness in Him.” How I pray to follow Jesus for the blessing of being His. How I pray to hear His voice and follow Him only, and not follow the voice of the world.
Looking forward to this study. Praying the Holy Spirit will use it to bring me closer to God.
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Dee, I have seen and heard you speak . Your Bible Study “Calm My Anxious Heart” changed my life forever and it was placed in my life at the most perfect time that I needed it. I’m a Pastor’s wife and our congregation is predominantly older 60 plus in age with the exception of a few, I’m trying to get the older ladies yearning to be in God’s Word. Many at this age just show up to Church and do not bring their bibles thinking they are at Church to get a check mark. My heart yearns for them be bursting with joy with the things that God has done in their so that they can shine their light for others to know our God.
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Hi Stayce, Welcome! Dee’s studies have changed my life too! This study blog has been a great blessing!
Monday
2. Review Revelation 18:1-8
A. What has Babylon (the whole evil world system) become according to verses 1-2?
A home for demons, a hideout for every foul spirit, a hideout for every foul vulture and every foul and dreadful animal.
B. On what have the merchants of the world grown rich according to verse 3? Can you think of examples?
Her desires for extravagant luxury.
I think of the Catholic Church, the prosperity gospel and rulers.
C. Though it may mean loss of money, power, and popularity, what are we told to do in verse 4? How might God be calling you to sacrifice worldly gain?
Come away from her, don’t take part in her sins.
To sacrificially give monetarily and of my time in service to Him. To think of others as more important than myself. Get out of my comfort zone.
D. How might we support Christians who are facing loss through court battles, loss of jobs, or slander because they are standing with God?
The number one way of course is prayer. But also going before God and seeking His will and leading as to what else I could tangibly do…putting myself out there to help.
E. How was Babylon proud and confident, and what will God do, according to verses 5-8?
She brewed a cup of terror for others – brew twice as much for her.
Glorified herself and lived in luxury – match it with torment and sorrow.
Boasted in her heart that she is queen of the throne, not a helpless widow and no reason to mourn.
Will do to her as done to others. Double her penalty for all her evil deeds.
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE! I’ve missed being here the blog and seeing all the great comments. I feel God is calling me back, so I’m going to jump in and do my best to figure out these last chapters.
Sunday:
1. What stands out to you from the above and why? – WOW there is a lot in this week’s opener. I will have to reread it again. I liked what Robert Murray has to say. I may just have to look for his book. I do feel this world we live in is full of madness in many ways. The hatred among people who at one time loved, or at least liked each other, is just crazy. It hurts to see so much anger going around. People don’t give anyone grace anymore. One word mistake in a comment and BAM! you get nailed as stupid. We need to all get back to the Cross where we can find the peace, joy and love that has been lost in so many places.
So good to see you Julie! It has been an awesome study for sure 😉. Glad you are back!
So glad to have you back, Julie.
I agree about the hatred — surely talks and walks like the enemy.
It is so good to see you back, Julie! Happy New Year. I totally agree with what you said about the hatred among people and discord among friends and family ~ and it comes out of nowhere. This is so perfect for what I need to do daily this year: We need to all get back to the Cross where we can find the peace, joy and love that has been lost in so many places.
Julie, so good to see you back here…you have been missed!
Monday: Review Revelation 18:1-8
2. Review Revelation 18:1-8
A. What has Babylon (the whole evil world system) become according to verses 1-2? – She has become a den of demons, a haunt of devils, a haunt for every unclean spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird and despicable beast. This seems to say that all have to be careful, anyone or any being can fall to her wicked ways.
B. On what have the merchants of the world grown rich according to verse 3? Can you think of examples? – Merchants grow rich from her sensuality and her excess. What came to my mind right away was, the pornography sites/material. I also think television shows like the Bachelor and Bachelorette (sorry if some of you like these). These to me are disgusting and show nothing but sexual immorality and that it is all ok to play around even if not seriously interested in a person. It saddens me to think so many can’t wait for the new episodes on these shows. So many things show the acceptance of sexuality, and you can’t even find anything wholesome now a days. I find myself not even putting TV on much. So glad I enjoy reading 🙂
C. Though it may mean loss of money, power, and popularity, what are we told to do in verse 4? How might God be calling you to sacrifice worldly gain? – We need to walk away from her evil claws. In our house in Tennesse we have decided to not get any kind of cable down there. We are finding other streaming channels that we are downloading. It not only is saving us money, but we can pick and choose what we watch.
D. How might we support Christians who are facing loss through court battles, loss of jobs, or slander because they are standing with God? – I think some of the issue for me is I don’t even know about them. Because I’m not following the news or watching much TV, I’m not hearing about things like that. I know the Life Group we facilitate have talked about what can we do. How can we get involved and yet still be safe? We have talked about how not doing anything or saying anything is somewhat of a sin. When we stand back and watch and, in a sense, turn our heads, our hearts are certainly not showing the love of Jesus.
E. How was Babylon proud and confident, and what will God do, according to verses 5-8? – She has felt no sorrow in those she has hurt or deceived. God sees how high the sins are and is ready to lay judgement on her for all she has done. She will get double back to what she has given out and will be destroyed in a day.
I agree with you on those shows, Julie. This year I found I couldn’t handle the Hallmark Christmas shows because even though they are clean, they promote a Christless Christmas, making it seem normal. And it is worse with their Easter shows. I probably sound like a legalistic old lady to many, but it so saddens me.
Oh Dee, I agree on Hallmark as well. I used to watch them too, but the true meaning seems to be fading now.
I agree about the Hallmark shows. Some are cute, but it is very hard to find anything Christ centered on television. I have a number of Children’s Christmas books and I get them out in December and try to read through them, as well as doing Advent readings. The true present is His Presence, which we have year around. What could be better.
Julie, we don’t have cable (nor TV) either. It seems like the TV shows nowadays are so Babylonian in character. And like you, I am thankful to God that I love to read. I have started doing vintage cards and journals and this has been a very refreshing pastime for me. I have gone back to work part-time to help my replacement so I have stayed busy. Good to see you back here.
Oh Bing I would love to see some of those vintage cards and journals. I will need to find something to do, but come April we are moving to Tennessee so setting up our home will take some of my time. There is conversation from my boss that perhaps they will allow me to work from Tennessee, so time will tell how much spare time I will have.
Julie, I am just starting out but will share one with you when I get done. I know what you mean by not being sure about spare time.
Sunday -Interesting that you would choose a book from someone who identifies himself as an atheist and gay. I do believe that the Lord may be working on him from your comments. If he is diligent about his search he will know the triune God and repent.
Monday –
a. Fallen. A dwelling place for demons.
b. The world’s riches. Material gain. What entices people to spend lavishly for whatever makes them look good. The latest and greatest. i.e. botox, jewelry, expensive and trendy clothing and accessories, pets, youth in a bottle, ways to beautify your body.
c. Don’t fall for it. Turn and run. Don’t compare. Be thankful and content for what God has given you. Having spend the last year updating our home rather then moving, I had to be careful not to overindulge, do what everyone else is doing, and spend a great deal of time and effort in not only finding the best choices for the best prices, but also hiring the right people, and my husband and I doing what we could to offset the expenses
d. Come along side and help/support in practical ways as well as prayer.
e. Babylon felt invincible and haughty. God will take her out in a flash. She won’t even know what happened to her. When Lord?!
Good point, Stephanie — and good to pray for him. He obviously respects Christians.
1. What stands out to you from the above and why? The review of the book The Madness of Crowds. I never read things like this because it is usually people who are very hostile, rude and obnoxious toward Christians and I don’t like to waste my time on stuff like that. But your recommendation of it is very trustworthy. I do like to see others’ perspectives on things, but it’s hard to find any that are rational and respectful.
2. Review Revelation 18:1-8
A. What has Babylon (the whole evil world system) become according to verses 1-2? A dwelling place of demons and a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird.
B. On what have the merchants of the world grown rich according to verse 3? The wealth of her sexual immortality Can you think of examples? Human trafficking, pornography, explicit movies music, and advertisements, abortions
C. Though it may mean loss of money, power, and popularity, what are we told to do in verse 4? Come out from her and do not participate.
D. How might we support Christians who are facing loss through court battles, loss of jobs, or slander because they are standing with God? We can pray, give financially and be outspoken in defending them even if it brings distain and ridicule from others.
E. How was Babylon proud and confident, and what will God do, according to verses 5-8? She proudly claimed that she was the one who gave herself riches and glory. She will be given double wrath, plagues mourning and sorrow
Dawn — some of his language is offensive. And there may be Christian books that are better, but I did find many of his points interesting, especially because he is gay and is so shocked at what is happening so fast with LGBT+. Like Stephanie mentioned, he may be being wooed by God.
Sunday:
What stands out to you from the above and why?
Victory in Christ is a surety as is the fall of Babylon when Jesus comes again.
At the close of Revelation 18, in verses 23-24, we see that she will be judged by God for three things: a. Pursuing the idol of worldly wealth (think of money gained through abortion, pornography, drugs, corruption, greed…) b. Sorcery (a magic spell of lies, calling evil good) c. Persecution of the saints (she is drunk with their blood)
I have never heard of Douglas Murray and am intrigued by the synopsis of the book you have given here, Dee. I will put it on my list of books to read in the future. I thought of St. Francis’ creed “ not as much to seek to be understood but to understand”. In the past, I never realized I have unconsciously shut off other people’s ideas when they didn’t fit my own. I believe some time ago on this blog, you mentioned something about how we should learn to listen to and read about those who think differently than we do. I have found Dr. Diana Glyer’s plenary speech on “intellectual hospitality” enlightening. The title on Youtube was “C.S. Lewis at the table with Dante and Zeus: Pushing (Against) the Limits of Intellectual Hospitality”. I love the quote from John Stuart Mill that your father often quoted to you: “There is always hope when people are forced to listen to both sides of an argument, for when they attend only to one, errors harden into prejudice, and truth itself ceases to be truth.” I am learning to do this, that is to attend to others, with lessening resistance.
Thanks so much, Bing. As I’ve mentioned, I just finished UNFOLLOW by Megan Phelps — she was part of the family cult that traveled the nation with hate signs. She began picketing as a 5 year old, not able to read. She was so indoctrinated, and yet she finally was able to see the flaw. Her eyes were opened by caring people on twitter — otherwise she never would have heard another point of view. I know I can be blind in areas — before my daughter’s husband was unfaithful and abusive, I said “Divorce is not in our vocabulary.” That was so wrong — it took pain to open my eyes and to see divorce is in a merciful God’s vocabulary.
Dee, I said the same thing about divorce as well before. It makes me think to really take a pause before responding to the issues at hand. And to pray that truth will prevail.
Oh my gosh, there is a child brainwashed against a cause she knew nothing about. So grateful her eyes were open to the truth. I agree that divorce is easily obtained, but for those like your daughter and myself, divorce can be a ‘good’ thing as hard as it is and with healing from the Lord, there are times the marriage can be restored and grow with the Lord in the center the 2nd time around. (On a side note, that was not the case for me)
Glad to see all of the new names here. Welcome!
3. Read Revelation 18:9-19 aloud to yourself.
A. What stands out to you upon this reading and why?
The thing that stands out is that it seems familiar….ugh. Too close for comfort. The fact that we, as a country/world care so much about nice things, big houses, the finest cars, clothes; stuff. You can’t take it with you! I used to be that way, and have changed some, but I can’t deny that I still enjoy the pleasures of the world even today. I have always told my kids though, that it’s how you treat people that matters.
B. How and why will the kings weep according to verses 9-10?
They will mourn for her; Babylon. They will weep and cry out how terrible it is to see her judged quickly. They cry because they will miss her great luxury in which they enjoyed.
Laura, as I looked back over the posts I realized I didn’t answer 19A 🤦🏻♀️ But what you said is so true. I think of the shipping shortages and people were panicking about Christmas presents….how materialistic we have become! It’s very convicting at how easily we get sucked in to the things of this world. So glad for this community of sisters!!
I agree, Laura and Sharon. How I need to keep my focus on Him. I can get swept up in trying to get the perfect present, when we already have been given THE BEST GIFT.
Patty – love your post about already have been given the BEST GIFT. LOVE IT!!!
Laura, I know the feeling too well. With packing up to move to a smaller home I find myself thinking about where I can put all my stuff, but I’m getting to the point of just giving it away or selling it for a small amount (I know this is not the greatest) but I’m coming to realize that what we have to look forward to in Tennessee is God’s magnificent artwork of the mountains that outweighs all the material things I try to put inside the home.
Tuesday
3. Read Revelation 18:9-19 aloud to yourself.
A. What stands out to you upon this reading and why?
B. How and why will the kings weep according to verses 9-10?
They will stand at a distance, terrified by the judgment that’s come upon Babylon with whom they’ve committed adultery and have enjoyed her luxury.
C. In Mystery Explained, under THE MOURNING OF KINGS…read up to “the second group” of mourners and share what you learn.
The fact that the kings stand at a distance may be because they fear judgment as well. Their use of judgment indicates that they perceive the hand of God in her downfall. The kings realize they’ve been duped and used and brought destruction on themselves. Satan uses unbelievers as pawns and rids of them when finished getting what he wants from them.
D. Who are the next group of mourners and describe how and why they are mourning. (verses 11-17)
The merchants of the world. They also stand at a distance, weep and cry because they got rich off of her wealth and it’s gone!
2. Review Revelation 18:1-8
A. What has Babylon (the whole evil world system) become according to verses 1-2? A dwelling place of demons; a prison of every unclean spirit a prison of every unclean and hateful bird.
B. On what have the merchants of the world grown rich according to verse 3? Can you think of examples? Selling immorality is rampant in films, on television, in books, in sports venues in our schools. Selling sensuality and immorality is hidden in plain sight. I agree with Julie, I rarely watch tv because of all they are promoting on the popular shows. It is heartbreaking for the future of our children and grandchildren.
C. Though it may mean loss of money, power, and popularity, what are we told to do in verse 4? How might God be calling you to sacrifice worldly gain? It is important to have a sense of discernment in what we invest in for ourselves, our minds and our souls. I try to encourage my grandchildren to seek wisdom from God and to be discerning. The enemy is very busy these days and very subtle.
D. How might we support Christians who are facing loss through court battles, loss of jobs, or slander because they are standing with God? We can research the whole story of those who are being persecuted and slandered. The evening news does not always disclose the whole story. We can pray for and support businesses, who are abiding in God and His Word. It is becoming less popular to be godly….so sad.
E. How was Babylon proud and confident, and what will God do, according to verses 5-8? God, who is just, has remembered her iniquities. She will be given back double according to her deeds in the cup she has mixed. In one day her plagues will come, pestilence and mourning and famine and she will be burned up with fire for the Lord God who judges her is strong.
Patti, I say very similar things like your answer in C. I’m trying to remind my youngest son (26yrs old) that he needs to appreciate and enjoy where God has him right now. And take care of what has been given to him so far.
I love this, Julie. Amen.
3. Read Revelation 18:9-19 aloud to yourself.
A. What stands out to you upon this reading and why?
In one hour the great Babylon has been laid waste.
B. How and why will the kings weep according to verses 9-10?
They will see the smoke of her burning; they will stand at a distance in fear of her torment. They weep because her judgment has come.
C. InMystery Explained, under THE MOURNING OF KINGS…read up to “the second group” of mourners and share what you learn.
The connection between immorality and luxury show that the meaning of immortality is primarily economic. The kings are those who were made rich by their alliance with the beast; they have been linked with the fate of the beast’s followers and fear for themselves and their downfall. They have been used as pawns by Satan and he dispenses with them once they are no longer useful to him. They will lose their “kingdoms.”
D. Who are the next group of mourners and describe how and why they are mourning. (verses 11-17)
The merchants of the earth are mourning, in the same self centered way. They will suffer economic loss. They have lost the “bright things” of this world, their material wealth.
E. In Mystery Explained, read from “The second group of mourners” to “the third group” and share what you learn. The kings focused on Babylon’s might, but the merchants focus on its material wealth.
F. Who mourns in verses 17-20? Like the merchants, the mariners have played a part in the system themselves. Their lament is over the loss of money.
G. Read Campbell’s final paragraph before THE PRONOUNCING OF GOD’S JUDGMENT. What do you learn?
As the world rejoiced over the sufferings of the church, now the church rejoices at the downfall of the evil world system. The joy of believers does not come out of a desire for revenge, or the destruction of Babylon. It is instead satisfaction that God has exercised His justice, and has not let sin go unpunished. He has vindicated his own righteous character in the process. The violent nature of God’s judgment corresponds to the way Babylon treated others. God’s judgment is swift and powerful. The angel takes up a great stone and throws it into the sea.
I would love to join the Revelation study here. Thanks for the invitation!
Welcome Amy!
Tuesday: Kings, Merchants, and Mariners Mourn
3. Read Revelation 18:9-19 aloud to yourself.
A. What stands out to you upon this reading and why? – For me what jumped out to me were what seemed to me to be ‘choruses’ how it showed how quickly she was destroyed. This has meaning to me because at a what seemed like a blink of an eye my first marriage was over and I lost the family structure, my home and the freedom to buy or do what I wanted, but it was gone in what felt like an instant. When we put our focus on material things it has not worth because like Babylon, she was destroyed in an hour.
B. How and why will the kings weep according to verses 9-10? – They are weeping in fear of the judgement to come to them because of following her ways and not the truth of the Lord.
C. In Mystery Explained, under THE MOURNING OF KINGS…read up to “the second group” of mourners and share what you learn. – The mourners have realized a little too late that their fate was handed to them when they followed the ways of Babylon, the immorality of their ways will bring upon the judgement of God. Their judgement is theirs and theirs alone. No one told them to follow her, they chose their path and their fate when they did.
D. Who are the next group of mourners and describe how and why they are mourning. (verses 11-17) – The merchants of the earth are mourning because the people are no longer buying what they have to sell. What they knew as their livelihood is no more. They will all fade away like they were never there.
E. In Mystery Explained, read from “The second group of mourners” to “the third group” and share what you learn. – They focused more on their economic loss and not on their souls. The merchants’ loss has more attention to it because of the influence money has on us. It relates back to 1 Tim 6:10 ‘love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.’ The list of material things that are being lost are in descending order with God’s most precious gift ‘human souls’ mentioned last. This is very interesting to me. God gives us every opportunity, every chance to change. Will we make the change?
F. Who mourns in verses 17-20? – Shipmasters, seafarers, sailors and anyone who does business by the sea.
G. Read Campbell’s final paragraph before THE PRONOUNCING OF GOD’S JUDGMENT. What do you learn? – They along with the merchants are facing a great economic loss. They have followed Babylon and she is not their savior any longer. They also face the judgement of God for their betrayal to Him.
Tuesday
E. In Mystery Explained, read from “The second group of mourners” to “the third group” and share what you learn.
Their mourning like the kings is self-centered, focused on economic loss. Their loss receives more attention- maybe to emphasize the powerful influence of money on human hearts. The wrong valuing of material things is what’s evil and is shown here by how the items appear in descending order-from gold and silver to slaves, which are human souls and so precious in His sight. Our greatest temptation as Christians is immorality which is defined in Revelation, begins with economic and social compromise with the world system. We must live in this pagan culture…what a great temptation!! We cannot compromise! Kings focused on might and merchants on its material wealth. Gold, purple, scarlet and precious stones were part of the high priests garments suggesting a false-religion aspect of the woman’s character. This constitutes a demonic substitute for the true glory of God.
F. Who mourns in verses 17-20?
Captains of the merchant ships, their passengers, sailors and crew.
G. Read Campbell’s final paragraph before THE PRONOUNCING OF GOD’S JUDGMENT. What do you learn?
The downfall of Babylon is their loss and they are part of the system. Money is the central role!
Wednesday
4. Read Revelation 18:20-23
A. What is the cry in verse 20? Does this seem strange orright to you? Explain.
Rejoice over her fate…
‘It seems right as once again the judgement fits the crime.
B. What does the angel do, and what does it represent in verse 21?
Picks up a boulder the size of a millstone and throws it into the ocean.
It represents the great city Babylon that will be thrown down with violence never to be found again.
C. What do you think it will be like to have the sinful world system gone in the new heaven and new earth? Try to imagine.
Absolutely perfect…perfect love, perfect harmony, no more sin, disease or death. It really is hard to imagine, but I think of what Adam and Eve had in the garden before they sinned. They lived in the presence of the glory of the Lord, all the food they needed and no work to get it. I think my favorite part as I love animals would be to be surrounded by wild animals that are no longer wild, don’t eat each other or me! And then I wonder, will that even matter? I remember hearing Vernon McGee sharing how he can’t wait to explore outer space, going from planet to planet and looking at the stars close up!
D. What will be gone from the lives of those hostile to God according to verses 22-23?
The sound of musical instruments, no craftsmen and no trades, no sound of the mill, the light of the lamp will never shine in them again, and no happy voices of brides and grooms
That sounds like Vernon McGee!
Wednesday
5. Under THE PRONOUNCEMENT OF GOD’S JUDGMENT ON BABYLON, read the paragraph up to “the angel’s announcement” and share what stands out to you and why?
The joy of the believers does not come out of desire for revenge – or simply from the destruction of Babylon itself…it is rooted in satisfaction that God has exercised His justices, and that by refusing to let sin remain unpunished, He has vindicated His own righteous character in the process. Yes, He is a God of love, but He is also a holy God and will judge.
6. Read Matthew 18:6
A. What does Jesus say?
If you cause one of these little ones who trusts in Me to fall into sin, it would be better for you to have a large millstone tied around your neck and be drowned in the depth of the sea.
B. How might this apply to “Babylon?”
Babylon, with its beauty, wealth and power tempts those who trust in the Lord and causes them to fall into sin.
C. How might this apply to us?
We need to be careful not to be a stumbling block to a weaker brother. 1 Corinthians 8:9,10 “But you must be careful so that your freedom does not cause others with a weaker conscience to stumble. For if others see you – with you ‘superior knowledge’ – eating in the temple of an idol, won’t they be encouraged to violate their conscience by eating food that has been offered to an idol?”
We need to be conscientious of how we live around our fellow believers and how we treat them and understand that they may be in a different place in their walk with the Lord. Paul ends the chapter of 1 Corinthians 8, “So, if what I eat causes another believer to sin, I will never eat meat again as long as I live – for I don’t want to cause another believer to stumble.”
Sharon, I agree our lives need to be lived in a way that others will not fall away from the Lord. I sure don’t want someone’s demise to be because of how I live.
The picture of a millstone being thrown into the sea indicates that like a millstone, Babylon will never rise again. Campbell says, in addition, it may allude to Jesus warning that it would be better to be tied to a millstone and thrown in the sea than to lead little ones astray. We’ll talk about both!
4. Read Revelation 18:20-23
A. What is the cry in verse 20? Does this seem strange or right to you? Explain.
This cry seems to be a rejoicing over Babylon being gone and God’s judgment was against her refusal. She refused to acknowledge God and His good. “She” (Babylon) deceived all the nations on the earth with her sorcery. (v23) The blood of the saints and prophets is upon her head. (v24). The rejoicing seems to me, a rejoicing over the evil system of lies and deception departing; all that the enemy did to draw God’s people away from Him; all the enemy had done to destroy godly values in the hearts of adults and children; all who refused to give up their “own” way to live God’s way. There is a sadness as I read this~ I think of the many chances God gives us to turn to Him with contrite hearts and how many harden their hearts and refuse to change.
B. What does the angel do, and what does it represent in verse 21?
The angel throws the great millstone into the sea. It represents Babylon being gone immediately, completely and forever.
C. What do you think it will be like to have the sinful world system gone in the new heaven and new earth? Try to imagine. I think of the song and film: “I Can Only Imagine.” I imagine a world filled with only joy, no sorrow. Jesus and His light being everywhere. All of humanity joyful, healthy and loving! Beautiful music in the air. Lush green fields where the grass is like soft velvet, animals everywhere and people singing and dancing together in the lovely light. Walking on clouds, beautiful fragrant flowers and trees, crystal clear water and we can swim and dive in; beautiful sea life; soft white sand. Being transported just by thinking about it; flying about with the angels.
D. What will be gone from the lives of those hostile to God according to verses 22-23?
There will be no music, art, craftsmen, millworkers, no bridegroom or bride will be heard in you ~ all of those hostile to God will lose all of their gifts and everything they knew on this earth.
5. Under THE PRONOUNCEMENT OF GOD’S JUDGMENT ON BABYLON, read the paragraph up to “the angel’s announcement” and share what stands out to you and why?
The joy that the believers have is due to God’s judgment over evil and His refusal to let sin go unpunished. God does this to show that He is good for His Word and His promise, vindicating the lives of His followers and His own righteous character.
6. Read Matthew 18:6
A. What does Jesus say?
Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better to have a millstone hung around his neck and drowned in the sea.
B. How might this apply to “Babylon?” The system of Babylon has caused many to turn from the Lord and pursue their own desires (the self centric desires), and the promises the world offers them; the lies that convince the innocent ones to turn their hearts from the true God.
C. How might this apply to us?
We need to be vigilant about our thoughts, how we speak, forgive (or not), how we behave, what we read and watch, how we spend our money and how we spend our time. Are we pursuing things that bring others to God. Are we following Jesus because of the blessings He gives us or because of the blessing HE IS.
4. Read Revelation 18:20-23
A. What is the cry in verse 20? Does this seem strange orright to you? Explain. – To rejoice over the destruction of Babylon. To me it feels like we are to rejoice in others pain. Even though their choices brought on the consequences on them it still seems harsh to rejoice.
B. What does the angel do, and what does it represent in verse 21? – It picks up a large millstone and throws it in to the sea. It represents and shows others just how fast Babylon will be destroyed that it will never be able to resurface.
C. What do you think it will be like to have the sinful world system gone in the new heaven and new earth? Try to imagine. – Oh, my goodness, I can’t wait for that. There will be so much joy you can’t help but be happy with it all around you. It’s like when you are in a bad mood, but someone is laughing so hard you can’t help but laugh right along with them. I just sense a freshness in the air with no pollution of any kind.
D. What will be gone from the lives of those hostile to God according to verses 22-23? – There will be silence and all wealth will be gone. I’m thinking a famine may come again and people walking around hopeless because of falling for the false riches of Babylon.
5. Under THE PRONOUNCEMENT OF GOD’S JUDGMENT ON BABYLON, read the paragraph up to “the angel’s announcement” and share what stands out to you and why? – Ok, so he is saying that our joy, our rejoicing isn’t a stance against revenge for those who do wrong, but to accept and be ok with God’s judgement on those that do not listen and follow the ways of the Lord. We can be satisfied justice has come to those who give false witness to God’s chosen.
6. Read Matthew 18:6
A. What does Jesus say? – “But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to fall away–it would be better for him if a heavy millstone were hung around his neck and he were drowned in the depths of the sea.”
B. How might this apply to “Babylon?” – I can completely see how this applies to Babylon as she deceived so many and pulled them away from the True God. What she did was inexcusable in God’s mind. No one can mess with his creation and not be judged for their wrongs.
C. How might this apply to us? – Oh man, I do not want this happening to me at all. I have been praying lately for the Lord to help me see everyone as he sees them. For his glory to shine through me and to help me every day. I ask him every morning to me in my thoughts, my actions and my speech. I want to glorify him, but I also know I fail him daily. I need to constantly stand firm in His Word, so I am not persuaded to fall away from the Truth.
I love your prayer, Julie! I want the Lord to help me see everyone as He sees them! Golden! A beautiful prayer to keep!
Monday: Review Revelation 18:1-8
2. Review Revelation 18:1-8
A. What has Babylon (the whole evil world system) become according to verses 1-2?
She has become a dwelling for demons and a haunt for every impure spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable animal.
B. On what have the merchants of the world grown rich according to verse 3? Can you think of examples?
“…the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.” Examples are pornography (I saw a part of a documentary about one of the states here and it included an interview of a couple owning a store using 3 D pornographic images, it was very brief but Yikes-gave me the willies), expensive shopping made accessible by credit cards and people going on debt, immorality, gambling, marijuana farms. Even the food industry-I was researching some articles about the most expensive burger and I found one that would set you back $5,964.00! Though the proceeds went to a food bank, I know people take dibs in some food-related contests just to satisfy their palate and senses, and pride. I hope I do not sound judgmental here.
C. Though it may mean loss of money, power, and popularity, what are we told to do in verse 4? How might God be calling you to sacrifice worldly gain?
Come out of her so we do not share in her sins or receive any of her plagues. I struggle at times whether to just stay in the background or put a step forward to get myself upfront. I do believe that God has gifted us as he deems fit but is gain in this world wrong? If I am acknowledged for something good that I have done and gain something for it, like money or popularity, what would sacrifice look like in this situation? Anybody has thoughts to share? Or am I rabbit trailing?
D. How might we support Christians who are facing loss through court battles, loss of jobs, or slander because they are standing with God?
To be there as a presence and to pray with them. To offer practical help if they are in need. To be an advocate for them if we are in a position to do so.
E. How was Babylon proud and confident, and what will God do, according to verses 5-8?
God remember her sins and crimes. She boasts of being queen and would never be a widow. But God will pay her back double, a double portion of her cup
Death mourning and famine and being consumed with fire will come upon her.
Bing, in regards to your question in C, I think God knows your motive and that you’re doing it for His glory. I think of Christian sports players who receive accolades for their accomplishments but make sure they give glory to God. They realize that God gifted them. I know with some of them the sacrifice may be facing criticism or being less popular.
Bing, I agree with Sharon. God knows that what you are doing is for His glory. And I love Sharon’s point about the athletes who give God the glory for their accomplishments. I think so much rests on the “why” we do things. I pray that my motives are pure and that I don’t get side tracked with the world. I often feel like we are living in a Spiritual Babylon~ everywhere I turn, the ads, films, products we buy, are designed to glorify ourselves. Even during the holiest Christian seasons, we have to seriously seek to find signs of Jesus. I am so thankful for Christian friends and family; how I pray that our values will not ebb away in this current world.
Sharon and Patti, Thanks for your thoughts. Giving God the glory and keeping our motives pure. I guess I shouldn’t be too introspective once God has given me the go signal. Obstacles at times make me doubt and I need to spend time in prayer when they do come as the enemy sure likes to use discouragement to bring me to a halt.
Tuesday: Kings, Merchants, and Mariners Mourn
3. Read Revelation 18:9-19 aloud to yourself.
A. What stands out to you upon this reading and why?
How the merchants weep and mourn for Babylon because of their own losses as a result of her fall.
B. How and why will the kings weep according to verses 9-10?
They wept and mourn and were terrified as they see her torment from a distance.
C. In Mystery Explained, under THE MOURNING OF KINGS…read up to “the second group” of mourners and share what you learn.
God’s judgment will be quick and the kings realized they have been duped by the enemy and used for his own purposes and were dispensed of once their usefulness to him is finished. Too late and how very sad.
D. Who are the next group of mourners and describe how and why they are mourning. (verses 11-17)
The merchants wept and mourn because of their losses.
E. E. In Mystery Explained, read from “The second group of mourners” to “the third group” and share what you learn.
Their mourning is self-centered, still focused on their losses. The core of the matter is their love for money or material wealth. Immorality as defined in Revelation begins with an economic and social compromise with the world system as manifested in the pagan cultures. Babylon mimics the precious stones that adorn Christ’s pure bride or city by wearing luxurious products it has accumulated.
F. Who mourns in verses 17-20? Sea captains and those who are ship owners, mariners.
G. Read Campbell’s final paragraph before THE PRONOUNCING OF GOD’S JUDGMENT. What do you learn?
Money plays an important role in the lament. The laments over the loss of money take up more space (vs. 11-19) than the lament over the loss of power. (v. 9-10) Maybe because they think money brings power and they understood that without money, they will not have power?
C. In Mystery Explained, under THE MOURNING OF KINGS…read up to “the second group” of mourners and share what you learn.
The kings are the first to mourn. The primary immorality is economic. They stand far off and can’t believe how quickly Babylon has fallen. They are fearful it will happen to them. They realize they have been duped by Satan; they were used.
D. Who are the next group of mourners and describe how and why they are mourning. (verses 11-17)
The merchants are the second group to mourn. They mourn because no one buys their wares anymore. I think the most surprising “ware” are the human souls (?!). They are self-centered. There are 29 products with the precious stones and cloth being associated with prostitution. Their loss is more so than the kings and it is thought that is because the love of money is so strong. This may be a reference to the king of Tyre from Ezekiel; a representative of satan. The precious stones and fabric are representative of a high priest, so this represents a false priesthood; a demonic substitute.
E. In Mystery Explained, read from “The second group of mourners” to “the third group” and share what you learn.
The mariners are the final group to mourn, as no one has need for their services any more. The also endure economic loss.
F. Who mourns in verses 17-20?
The captains, sailors, passengers, and crew also mourn.
G. Read Campbell’s final paragraph before THE PRONOUNCING OF GOD’S JUDGMENT. What do you learn?
God’s judgment is one of equality. The punishment fits the crime. The saints and the church rejoice over the downfall. The angel throws the millstone down hard. The reference to a millstone is that of Jesus who said “…it would be better for those to tie a a millstone…” Babylon will sink, never to rise again.
4. Read Revelation 18:20-23
A. What is the cry in verse 20? Does this seem strange orright to you? Explain.
The cry is to rejoice that Babylon is gone. No, it is God’s punishment. It has finally been accomplished. They have waited so long to be vindicated.
B. What does the angel do, and what does it represent in verse 21?
The mighty angel throws a huge stone (the size of a millstone) into the ocean. It represents Babylon never coming back again.
C. What do you think it will be like to have the sinful world system gone in the new heaven and new earth? Try to imagine.
This is hard; I know it says worshipping all the time, no pain, no suffering. Everything is bright, white, clean, no dirt. Happiness. No needs, no wants.
D. What will be gone from the lives of those hostile to God according to verses 22-23?
No music, no manufacturing, no building things, no light, no weddings.
Because of the song, I used to think worshipping all the time meant singing Amazing Grace forever — but I realize worship is simply a way of life, of grateful joy. I wonder if we will still have needs, but they will be met in Him.
Yes!
I love this! A simple way of life and grateful joy. Living in His light. It reminds me of Sitting on the far side of the Jordan, drawing pictures in the sand.
Awww Patti — you remember the song sung at Steve’s funeral.
Yes, Dee. I love that song. I still have the cd of Steve’s funeral. I love picturing him doing that.
Thursday
7. Read Revelation 18:23b-24 and list the 3 sins Babylon is being judged for – then, next to it, give an illustration of how you see this.
Sorcery…what comes to mind is how subtle it can be. For example the Enneagram personality test, the use of crystals and horoscopes.
The blood of the saints…martyred Christians.
Blood of slaughtered people…abortion and murder
8. Do you have any propensity toward any of the above?
I have with sorcery in the past…using a Quija board and looking up my horoscope but now I want nothing to do with it. I realize the danger and harm it can cause.
I went to college with a man who used to be in a satanic cult before he became a Christian and the things he shared still make the hairs of my arms raise up…how hard it was to get away from the hold it had on him!
Whoa, Sharon. He protected you.
Praise God, Sharon! I am so fearful of anything of the occult! The crystals etc…are so subtle…the enemy is clever.
Oh, my Sharon. God had his hand on you for sure.
7. Read Revelation 18:23b-24 and list the 3 sins Babylon is being judged for – then, next to it, give an illustration of how you see this.
a.)The sin of exalting self and seeking the wealth of this world instead of God alone. Our self centric society.
b.) Indulging in sorcery, idolatry and immorality. This area is really subtle and scary to me. Idolizing superstars or any popular person…etc.
c.)Persecuted and slain saints. Abortion and persecution of believers by many in society in general.
8. Do you have any propensity toward any of the above? As a human, I think we all have these choices in front of us. We have to daily abide in Christ and put on the whole armor of God. Ephesians 6: 12-13 “Finally be strong in the Lord and the strength of His might. Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day and having done everything, to stand firm.”
Oh yes Patti. daily abide! My word for the year is “abide” thanks to Dee. Abiding in Him moment by moment, day by day…what better place to be!
Aha, Sharon! That is one of my two words for the year, too. I added “awake” as well.
I need “awake” too!
Thursday
9. Read the paragraph that begins with “The angel’s announcement” up to Rejoicing in Heaven and share what stands out to you and why.
The 3 sins that Campbell pointed out were different than mine. 1. Exalting self…I guess he gets that from “her merchants were the greatest in the world.”
2. Sorcery…idolatry sorcery and sexual immorality are linked.
3. Persecuting the slain saints.
The judgment of spiritual Babylon is on behalf of the church. Judgments against real cities on behalf of Israel were a forerunner to spiritual Babylon. It makes so much more sense to me that this is a spiritual rather than a literal place. Spiritual Babylon is definitely working among us today and as Patti said and I have felt more strongly than ever the importance of “standing firm and putting on the armor of God.”
I have a question. Do you think we can pray for the armor of God for others or just ourselves?
Sharon, I hope we can stand in the gap for others and ask God to change their hearts, so they feel his presence in their lives. I know I did for my niece who was in a coma and dying of cancer. I didn’t know if she had a relationship with Jesus, but I prayed on her behalf that he would save her. I hope I see her once I’m gone from this earth.
Sharon, I realize I do that in a sense when I pray for their faith to increase or for them to be protected from the enemy. I hadn’t thought of specifically praying for the armor – or at least that they would put it on — but I think it a good idea.
I do pray for the armor of God for my children and grandchildren. I never thought about this before, but we all need it for sure.
4. Read Revelation 18:20-23
A. What is the cry in verse 20? Does this seem strange or right to you? Explain.
No, the judgment fits the crime. Vindication has transpired.
B. What does the angel do, and what does it represent in verse 21?
The angel picked up a boulder the size of a millstone and threw it into the sea representing Babylon to fall and not rise again.
C. What do you think it will be like to have the sinful world system gone in the new heaven and new earth? Try to imagine.
Ooohhhh…I love Elyse Fitzpatrick book titled, “Home”. She speaks of heaven and earth “as a place of beauty and wonders that we will explore with real, perfect bodies! There is no need to chase a bucket list, on the New Earth there will be no end of glorious sites and amazing activities, and we’ll never run out of time!” Freedom, no more fear of heights and icky animals. I can travel from one place to another in record time (well, wait! There will be no need to take stock of time. No more temptation to sin. Oh, happy day! I need to re-read Joni Eareckson Tada’s book on heaven as well.
D. What will be gone from the lives of those hostile to God according to verses 22-23?
No music, no more productive work, no light, no weddings-yikes! That is very, very sad.
5. Under THE PRONOUNCEMENT OF GOD’S JUDGMENT ON BABYLON, read the paragraph up to “the angel’s announcement” and share what stands out to you and why?
“The joy of the believer does not come out of a desire for revenge, or for the destruction of Babylon. It is rooted in the satisfaction that God has exercised His justice, that by refusing to let sin remain unpunished, he has vindicated his own righteous character in the process.”
We should not gloat over the demise of non-Christians who have done wrong but rather be mindful that God is the righteous judge and in His time, He will bring about justice.
6. Read Matthew 18:6
A. What does Jesus say?
But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.
B. How might this apply to “Babylon?”
She has enticed little ones and new Christians or the young in faith away from God through her lucrative offerings. I think of the parable of the sower and the types of soil.
C. How might this apply to us?
We need to be paying attention to those who are young in faith and help them grow in Christ. We should not be a stumbling block to them
Bing your answer to C sounds so refreshing. I heard once too that our bucket lists here will never compare to what we are going to enjoy in heaven so why do one. Made sense to me.
Julie, I used to lament the fact that I do not have a bucket list. LOL Yes, you are right-there is no comparison to what joys we will have in Heaven. Why, earthly buckets are small, anyway! I do believe, though that in itself, a bucket list is not wrong. But we know, in the end, that even if we can cross everything on that list, they will never bring the satisfaction we can only find in Christ. And perhaps what I should do is write anything that could possibly be a bucket list item on paper, put it in a bucket, and fill it up and say to myself, “there…I have a bucket list! Hahaha
Praying for your move to TN!
Oh how funny. Love that Bing.
Thursday: Justice for 3 Specific Sins
7. Read Revelation 18:23b-24 and list the 3 sins Babylon is being judged for – then, next to it, give an illustration of how you see this. – Merchants were the nobility of the earth-I see this as those who were selling their items were thought to be in the highest ranking. They were put above everyone else and were looked up as ones to turn to for help; All the nations were deceived by sorcery-This seems to me that everyone had blinders on to what was really going on. People wanted the excitement of fitting in so they turned away from The Word knowing that what they were doing was not honoring the Lord; The blood of the prophets and saints and all those slaughtered on the earth was found in Babylon-It didn’t matter to them who they deceived, who they pulled away from the Lord, they didn’t care that their actions would in turn bring about death as consequences.
8. Do you have any propensity toward any of the above? – I don’t think I do, but maybe I just don’t realize it. I don’t like being center of attention at all. I just try to go about my life worrying about what I’m doing so I don’t dishonor the Lord, but sadly as a sinner I know I don’t give Him honor all the time. I think I have enough discernment to know when I’m being led astray. I pray for the Lord to really let me know when he is speaking to me. I care about other people and don’t want anything bad to happen to them, and something I need to get better at is witnessing and telling others about how great Our Lord is.
9. Read the paragraph that begins with “The angel’s announcement” up to Rejoicing in Heaven and share what stands out to you and why. – Oh wow, so Babylon is just one example of the evil world system that came and shows how the judgement from God is given on behalf of the spiritual Israel, which is the church. So, God is looking out for all of his children who have not fallen away from the truth. Judgement, though it is painful and can be sad for those watching is something God has promised us as believers. What we do and how we live our lives is something we need to be very aware of, so His judgement does not come upon us like it did for the evil world we live in.
Julie — I caught you are moving to Tennessee. The man who wrote Walk Across America said it was the most beautiful state, border to border.
Oh, I would have to agree with him Dee. We are in a small town called Church Hill in the NE Corner, our backyard looks out over a valley with the mountain in the back and our front porch has a view of another mountain and if you look closely, you can see a cross at the top of a hill in neighbor’s yard. It is so beautiful to me. I can’t wait to get out there permanently.
That sounds so lovely, Julie.
Julie, I will pray for you move to go smoothly. It sounds so beautiful, peaceful and lovely. One of our granddaughters lives in Nashville and she loves it.
6. Read Matthew 18:6
A. What does Jesus say?
If we assist others into falling into sin then we should have a millstone tied around our neck and drowned.
B. How might this apply to “Babylon?”
Babylon will be destroyed.
C. How might this apply to us?
If we participate in evil acts and draw others into them as well, then we will be punished.
7. Read Revelation 18:23b-24 and list the 3 sins Babylon is being judged for – then, next to it, give an illustration of how you see this.
Deception – Money is most important.
Death of the prophets and holy people – Those who disregard what the Bible actually says; they try to make it into something that justifies their bad behavior. To twist scripture to fit their need.
Death of God’s people – Church attendance dwindling; the regular folks being lured away by sin.
8. Do you have any propensity toward any of the above?
Definitely the money thing, except I have (in the past few years) begun to not value “stuff” as much as I used to. I have thrown things away of value. it may be because I am getting older and seeing how much I have is depressing really. My husband can be somewhat of a hoarder and he has even been throwing things out!
As far as church goes, I do attend and participate regularly. I can also get sidetracked and need correction with basic sin. Words, thoughts, food drink, actions (all the regular stuff), etc. is all present at times. I am human.
Thursday: Justice for 3 Specific Sins
7. Read Revelation 18:23b-24 and list the 3 sins Babylon is being judged for – then, next to it, give an illustration of how you see this.
Material wealth used for the self- lure of commercialism
People being led astray because of her magic spells (idolatry, immorality); pornography; social justice movements;
Blood of the prophets and God’s people-persecution and murders of believers.
8. Do you have any propensity toward any of the above?
These 3 things are ever before us but money issues have been an area of spiritual growth for me. Not so much as I want more but so that if I have more, I can be of help to somebody else? But then I realize, the people I will help will ultimately need to look to God for the meeting of their needs. It can be an issue of pride for me by then. The bottom line is I have to deal with my idol of comfort-that I would feel better if things are not so hard especially for my loved ones. I need to look to Jesus and I know that money is not everything.
9. Read the paragraph that begins with “The angel’s announcement” up to Rejoicing in Heaven and share what stands out to you and why.
Spiritual Babylon cannot be confined to a specific nation at a specific time. It represents the evil world system controlled by the beast and opposed to the church from the resurrection until the Lord’s return.
The Babylonian presence will always be with us, opposing God’s purposes. I need to be vigilant so am able to stand the onslaught of her temptations, abiding in Christ and claiming the victory I have in Him.
Friday: Norm Funk’s message on Revelation 18
The Bible uses metaphors. Satan’s throne, Satan’s synagogue, Babylon (example: Rome) any institutions that are against God. They stand in the way of God’s people. This started with Babel with men creating the tower to make a name for themselves. Babylon represents peoples, powers, institutions that oppose God.
Why Babylon will be destroyed:
a. Self-glorification- He gave the example of Nebuchadnezzar and pointed how the word” great” was used several times to refer to Babylon. He also said that during the peak of the Roman empire, if you bow to Rome, you have the power behind you.
b. Deceit/delusion
c. c. Oppression and murder-Decadence built on human slavery and bloodshed; even if the cost is people. History of west indies slave trade gave the merchants money that will be equivalent to 1 and ½ billion dollars today.
The kings, merchants, mourn Babylon’s death even if she was horrific. They were enamored with their power and riches regardless of how these were accomplished. It would take 300 years for Babylon to fall from the time of John’s writing. I thought this was insightful as we live in our generation’s spiritual Babylon. Earth dwellers are denying there is judgment coming because they say God has not done anything to the oppressive, immoral society that we now have. The hour will come and spiritual Babylon’s fall is coming. And as believers, we should strive to love unconditionally, pray for the lost, and share the gospel with urgency and if we must suffer, it would be with hope. The Word of God stands true.
What is God’s call to us?
a. Come out of her
How do we come out of Babylon:
1. Not a call for isolation John 17:15, 18 We are not perfect but be different.
2. Be aware of the deceit and seduction of Babylon. Be transformed and not be conformed.
3. Be people of justice
4. Be people of generosity
5. change how we measure our value and our worth
6. do not retaliate-leave room for Gods vengeance; we must love Babylonians and pray for them
7. know we will experience judgment but not judgment.
Seals are taken off, trumpets blown, bowls poured out already while we are living in Babylon
8. we have a better city
b. rejoice over Babylon’s destruction and not mourn like the kings, merchants, and mariners.
My thoughts: Though my soul grieves and groans when I see the results of spiritual Babylon’s power over “earth dwellers”, this study has brought me much comfort. God will bring justice in His time and Satan and his cohorts will be no more. I pray for a vigilant heart, soul, and mind. For a readiness to step out in faith and not in fear and to remember the battle belongs to the Lord.
I thought of this testimony song from the group Selah “Broken Ladders” i.e. building my own tower of Babel. No self-glorification, Lord.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kvzgoH-l90
You never asked me to be king Build my tower up to the sky So why do I try You never asked me to be rich Buy the things that gold can buy So why do I try All You ever wanted was my heart My heart, my simple heart To You, that’s all that really matters Why do I feel I have to reach Believe I have to rise When You never said I had to climb These broken ladders.
Cause all they do is take My eyes off of You Make me forget the truth.
Bing, I have not listened to the sermon yet, but your notes are so excellent. Thank you for so many good points on the message. Thank you for posting the Selah “Broken Ladders” song. This has blessed my morning; I woke up feeling a bit overwhelmed. This is such a great reminder of “who” we need to be: . And as believers, we should strive to love unconditionally, pray for the lost, and share the gospel with urgency and if we must suffer, it would be with hope.
Thanks Bing for these wonderful notes. I especially liked your takeaway thoughts. I would agree that this study has brought me much comfort as well. And yes, “praying for a readiness to step out in faith and not in fear…the battle belongs to the Lord.” Amen!
Saturday:
11. What is your take-a-way and why?
It is with the sobering thought that I would daily remember this study. The realities of the sorrows and suffering of this world, though grievous to my heart, are a given due to the spirit of Babylon permeating it. Instead of being a surprise, may each reality bring me to my knees, fire up my devotion to the triune God who is in me and for me, and give me the joy and hope of our Blessed Assurance.
I have learned the unholy trinity is a counterfeit. So, I thought, what would somebody say if instead of the “Lord” of Psalm 23, Babylon is who one looks to for a “wonderful life”? Here is my feeble attempt at a poem. Though typing the following poem gave me the willies, I realized I need to face the reality of what it might be like if I do not focus my eyes on Jesus. What prideful words to say! May God open the eyes of the hearts of those who are caught in the spirit of Babylon to the truth. “Choose this day whom you will serve.” Joshua 24:17 “Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life so that you and your descendants might live! Deut. 30:19
Anosios 23 ( Anosios (google) is the Greek word that means unholy since the word “psalm” means holy writings, sacred)
Babylon is my shepherd; I shall not want.
She leads me to where I think are green pastures And leads me beside alluring waters.
Her rod and her staff takes me to places of worldly delights
She excites my soul to her worldly goods, My cup is full of her decadence.
I would never walk through the valley of the shadow of death, So I do not have any fears
Surely her goods and the accompanying pleasures that come with them shall follow me all the days of my life.
And I will dwell in the scarlet house of Satan, the beast, and the prophet all the days of my life.
Good poem Bing! And, I don’t like poetry 😉
Thanks, Laura. Writing this out raised my awareness of the depravity that the enemy entices people with. What fools we could have been if it were not for the grace and mercy of God. This was an epiphany, sort of, for me. Though I wish I was more articulate.
Bing, Thank you for this poem! I love it and since it is Sunday, you may not get this note (since we are on to the next lesson). I am going to copy and save your entire response. It is so important that we abide, and as you say “awake” and depend on and focus on our Lord Jesus. Your words have touched my heart. Thank you for sharing your great gifts with all of us. Such excellent scripture references. God has blessed you with great gifts and you are blessing others with those gifts.
Patti, thank you for your encouraging words. I came back here as I was wondering if anybody else listened to Norm and had commented. The Anosios 23 was like a sobering thought processing for me. I was praying that we would stand guard and be sensitive to the awakening of God’s Spirit in us when we are being led astray. We were on Ezekiel today in our small group at Sunday school and it was such a kiss from the king to have one man acknowledged his eyes were opened to places where he was before which have people of “dry bones “ and they are not even aware that they are spiritually dead!
The sermon was good. It helped me understand the book better. However I do have to say I struggle with some of the Babylon stuff. My parents taught me to be a patriotic American. My dad was in the Air Force. I love my country. I am especially proud that we are a nation that helps others. When Haiti gets hit with a hurricane or earthquake, we are right there both physically and economically. When Iraq invaded Kuwait, we sent troops to defend the Kuwaitis. There are many other examples of this. When you have resources and you use them in this way, that’s a good thing. Being a great country benefits other countries. And, we are a nation that values Christianity (for now).
There’s a huge difference, Laura, between patriotism (love and pride in your country’s strengths) and Christian nationalism (seeing it as your Savior.) We can have no King but Jesus. It’s great you are patriotic — there is so much lovely about our country, though I fear we are losing our beautiful freedoms and there certainly is not a respect for many of the virtues such as regard for human life, for religious freedom, or purity. But they do still hold to some virtues, as you say, of helping others. Love your thoughts on this!
Do you believe that God may have put us here for the purpose of helping other countries? He is threaded all throughout the documents, statues, and buildings that represent us whether people like it or not. Kind of like an ambassador for Him…