“We Gather Together” was written following a time of terrible conflict following the Reformation in the 16th century.
In reaction to the Reformation, which was needed and yet had some sinful expressions, such as the destruction of great art (more below) the Duke of Alba tried to rid the Netherlands of Protestants, and with the help of Spain, burned Antwerp, martyring 8,000 believers in 1576.
Hymn historian Richard Niell Donovan writes that following this, Spain was weakened in a war against England that next year, so this led to a period of relative peace in Holland. During that time this hymn was written to acknowledge the believers’ painful and turbulent past and to look to a better future.
They “examined their hearts and prayed their tears,” knowing their God was sovereign, and that He had allowed this. They also knew their real enemy was Satan.
Satan’s strategy is always to get us to back away from God and fellowship, knowing, that if we do, he has won.
So, indeed, if you are hurting, don’t back away, but come to His family, come to His Word, come and offer the sacrifice of praise, for He forgets not His own.
I’m going to tell a very personal story at the end of the week I have not told before, but one that shouts with the truth that
“He forgets not His own.”
Sunday:
1. What stands out to you from the above and why?
2. Give thanks for the the sovereignty of God in your pain in the past or right now.
Monday: We Gather Together To Ask The Lord’s Blessings
Prepare your heart with this, singing the lyrics. This week we will just study the first verse and Scriptures that align with the lyrics. If you are interested in more detail about the history, here is a link to Richard Donovan’s account: https://sermonwriter.com/hymn-stories/we-gather-together/
So often when we are in pain, our natural response is to back away from God and His people. Yet that is exactly Satan’s strategy, to scatter the sheep and then pluck them off one by one.
2. “The wicked oppressing” may seem like flesh and blood, but our real battle is against spiritual forces in high places. Think about whatever pain you have faced recently or are in now. Are you able to recognize the enemy and what His plan was or is? Explain, if you are willing.
My daughter Sally and I attended a dramatic presentation of C. S. Lewis’ “Screwtape Letters.” This is the imaginative story of Satan in hell coaching his apprentice, ‘Screwtape” on earth. Again and again Satan coaches Screwtape ways to get “the client” to back away from fellowship and God. A little demon (a gymnast) in the play would get the letters that came from Screwtape on earth by climbing a high rope ladder. If Satan’s plan was working, she would jump down chortling, doing cartwheels across the stage. But if it was backfiring, if the “client” was actually pressing into God instead of backing away, was actually “gathering together with other believers” she would SCREAM a blood-curdling cry and fall from the ladder, somehow, not breaking her back. Here is “Satan” and his assistant demon, as portrayed in Screwtape Letters.
3. Give thanks for a time when the family of God or God Himself helped you get through a time of suffering. Share specifically how you were helped.
4. What do you learn from the following verses about why we need one another, and all the more in times of trouble?
A. Hebrews 10:23-25
B. Ecclesiastes 4:9-12
5. Share an answer to prayer — a recent time when you “asked the Lord’s blessing” and He gave it.
Tuesday: He Chastens and Hastens His Will To Make Known
None of us are without sin, so pain should cause us to ask Him to examine our own hearts in times of trouble. The Protestants were not without sin during the Reformation. There was a group of Protestants that destroyed many of the beautiful Catholic churches, stained glassed windows, art, and statues during the Reformation. While it is true that many statues were worshipped, still, there was so much unnecessary devastation of great art and grief brought to the innocent. The divide between Protestants and Catholics has continued to this day.
Even if we feel that 90% of the problem lays with another, we must examine our own hearts in the midst of suffering. God chastens and hastens His will to make known. There is almost always fault on both sides, and God wants to purify His own.
Lewis became known through his radio addresses during the Holocaust of World War II and said, famously:
6. How has God purified you through pain? Can you give Him thanks for this?
Wednesday: The Wicked Oppressing Give Cease From Distressing
In the 17th Century the Protestants in Holland experienced a golden time of peace. So often we appreciate health so much more after being sick, plenty so much more after having paucity, and peace so much more after having discord.
7. Can you sing the first verse of “We Gather Together?” (Try it!) Is it becoming more meaningful?
8. In Psalm 107:1-2, what are we told to do? When is the last time you did this to another?
9. In the following passages, what specific examples are given of being delivered from distress?
A. Psalm 107:4-9
B. Psalm 107:10-16
C. Psalm 107:17-22
D. Psalm 107:23-32
10. Give thanks for some of the ways and times you have been relieved from distress.
Thursday: He Forgets Not His Own
I love watching these children sing We Gather Together, though I know they may only understand a sliver of the meaning.
My daughter Sally is beginning to tell about one of the most painful times in her life, which was also a time of enormous pain for us, who loved her so. It’s her story, so she must tell it, and she told the heart of it when she spoke at Wheaton College this summer. She was speaking at the Marion Wade center about her painting of Aslan, which hangs in their foyer. She painted it after God had rescued her, yet her pain was still fresh, and she wondered how a good God could allow such suffering in the lives of His children.
When Sally was a Freshman at a Christian college she fell in love with a freshman who had a full scholarship for Christian character. She wanted to marry him quickly though many of us saw red flags. I often look back with regret, wishing Steve and I had done more to try to stop her. But she married him, and what followed were years of pain. He moved her to Krakow, Poland and didn’t want her to have contact with us or with church. She was torn — loving us yet wanting to honor her husband. She went to church alone, though it made him angry. It was a terrible time for her and for Steve and me. Yet God heard my desperate cries in a way I will never forget. I had prayed that God would send someone to her in Poland to help her, to be “the kindness of God to her,” for I knew she was in danger.
Here is what happened in Sally’s own words:
When Sally got home she was very broken, but the Lord came to her, giving her a wise counselor in Jan Silvious who was wonderful. Her husband did divorce her and when she met her second husband, she had Jan interview him!
I remember asking Sally about the Polish teacher who was so instrumental in her rescue, what her name,”Bogumiwa,” meant in Polish and she said, “The kindness of God.” That was exactly what I had asked God to send to our daughter, someone who would be “the kindness of God.” Though we may feel forgotten, we never are — He forgets not His own.
Sally went to Covenant Seminary for a year, wanting answers. Then she went on to paint Aslan — and you’ll see a link to that story tomorrow.
11. Often God does not take a way our pain, but comes and comforts us in the midst of it. Can you give thanks for a time like that?
12. How did God do that for Hagar in Genesis 16? What did she call God?
Friday: Not Safe But Good
Watch Sally Brestin Hale share how her painting of Aslan came about. (Above at the Marion Wade Center at Wheaton) Click below and scroll down to the video of Sally speaking at Wheaton College.
http://www.deebrestin.com/Aslan
13. Share any notes or observations.
Saturday:
14. What is your take-a-way and why?
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1. What stands out to you from the above and why?
I love this hymn! It’s one of my favorites. It is difficult to “hang in there” when things look bleak, but it’s also exciting to be the beneficiary of God’s “kisses” when He shows up in the midst of pain. If you aren’t seeking Him, then you will never experience that excitement; just sayin.
2. Give thanks for the the sovereignty of God in your pain in the past or right now.
Thank You Lord; You are mighty and do great things! This past week I was reminded of two times You stepped in and saved me. Both were regarding our second oldest son who had run away. I had no idea each time where he went, but in each case prayed that You would guide me. You did, and I found him both times. Once, I was just guided to the right location, the other time I was called by an Angel on the phone. Amazing! I love Your kisses Lord, Jesus. You are sovereign. Amen.
Great God Hunts, Laura!
1. What stands out to you from the above and why?
That, “He forgets not His own.” Because sometimes the sorrows, pain and disorientations in life can threaten my soul. And I momentarily forget that He never forgets me.
2. Give thanks for the sovereignty of God in your pain in the past or right now.
There was a day three and a half years ago that someone near and dear to me was in a very dark and despairing season. We had talked on the phone that afternoon and I was growing increasingly concerned. One of our daughters was visiting and helping me pack up our house as we were under a deadline to move. That evening, in the flurry of packing, the Lord interrupted my thoughts and urged me to stop what I was doing and call this dear one again. By the time I made that phone call, this dear one had already attempted to take their life and they told me they were sorry, that it was too late. I called an ambulance. They got there in time to take this dear one to a hospital and their life was rescued. I am grateful to this very moment for the mercy of God that interrupted and intervened.
Psalm 103:19b says, “His sovereignty rules over all.” I am reminded that nothing comes to pass without His permission. That is such a perplexing mystery and at the same time such a strong and sure comfort.”
Wow — what a story Nila – -He does not forget his own!
I love this story…but even more I am encouraged by the beauty of your sensitive spirit, Nila. I pray that you continue to be soft to the Lord’s promptings.❤️
Beautiful
WOW Nila thank you for listening to God’s call
1. What stands out to you from the above and why?
“They “examined their hearts and prayed their tears,”
I remember a Keller sermon you led us to about “praying your tears”–expecting tears, planting tears, and praying them back to the Father. This keeps us looking to Him, and opening our hearts to Him in true lament, letting Him heal.
Also this, “if you are hurting, don’t back away, but come to His family, come to His Word, come and offer the sacrifice of praise, for He forgets not His own.”
There have been times I have felt so heavy burdened, weary of praying, and my introverted self wants to crawl away alone, but it is then I know I most need the Body around me, reminding me of His love, His presence which He has promised to never take away. And when we turn our eyes upon Jesus, look full in His wonderful face, the things of earth do grow strangely dim, in the light of His glory and grace.
2. Give thanks for the the sovereignty of God in your pain in the past or right now.
Thank you Father that the victory is already Yours. Satan’s desire is to divide us and make us turn inward, turning away from You, for even he knows You are all we need. But You have given us Your presence, forever in our hearts, through the Holy Spirit. I do not always understand Your ways, but I know I do not want a God I can understand, for You are greater, wiser, You are holy.
Thank You for Your promises, to never leave us nor forsake us. Thank You that when I pass through the waters, You promise to be with me; and when I pass through the rivers, You will not allow them to sweep over me. When I walk through the fire, I will not be burned; the flames will not set me ablaze. For You are the Lord my God, the Holy One of Israel, my Savior.
Such good speaking to your soul, Lizzy.
I thought of the sermon from Keller about praying our tears too, Lizzy! It’s funny, I seem to be happier these days compared to back in those times. I have a sense of peace about me that I can only explain this way; I have spent the last few years truly focused on Him. When you change your perspective, your life changes too. A bad day can come, but I ask myself what is really important, and remind myself “not what is in front of me that is challenging me today, but how I react to that thing in front of me. Is it how God would want me to react? Is it loving?, is it kind?, is it important in the scope of Him?”
I have a nephew who is in deep pain. He does not have, nor hasn’t ever had a spiritual component to his life. His parents did not choose to raise their kids in church. He is hurting and I am thinking of presenting studying the Bible as a solution to his problem. According to him, there is nothing that is working. Long story. I have often wondered what people do who don’t know God, in times of trouble? What in the world do they lean on?
Laura–your testimony is SO powerful and a transformation we’ve all witnessed. I smiled when I saw your name here yesterday–the first post. I was just thinking about how much you have gone through and yet you remain so faithful to studying His Word and drawing nearer to Him. The Spirit in you inspires me! Love this: “I have a sense of peace about me that I can only explain this way; I have spent the last few years truly focused on Him.”
Praying now for your nephew–Lord, we ask that You would meet Laura’s nephew where he is, in his deepest pain, rescue him. I pray that You would lead Laura in her conversations with him, and that You would draw him to Yourself–give him true healing and hope. Amen.
Oh Lizzy! Just seeing this now! Thank you SO MUCH for your encouragement; how that blesses me 🙂
I still need to reach out to my nephew. Just don’t want to botch it. Thank you for prayers that I find the right way and that he accepts my ideas.
Laura — this gives me such joy — that circumstances are still hard for you, but that your perspective have changed — knowing what is really important. That is so key and it is wonderful to hear. Thanks so much for sharing that.
Love this, Laura.
1. What stands out to you from the above and why? The sadness of Christians persecuting each other… so many conflicts are over the desire to be right rather than lovingly communicating, seeking, and helping. I still see this happening today in our world. It kinda breaks my heart.
2. Give thanks for the sovereignty of God in your pain in the past or right now. God, thank you for all circumstances. I am too immature and naive to know your purpose but I must trust and continue seeking you. Lord, that you would rid this world of evil! Minister to those that suffer greatly, so so much more than I. Help me to be your hands and feet. May I always look to you and fight to cling to your feet and never give up as I am prone to want to. Amen.
Me too Jill:
May I always look to you and fight to cling to your feet and never give up as I am prone to want to.
Yes — that is so sad. Good reminder to love believers even when they truly disappoint you!
What stands out to me is that God does not forget us . I am very thankful for this truth. When friends or family forsake us, He does not .
This is such a familiar hymn for me and I go back to childhood when I sing it. It is reassuring as I feel sad to lose the warmth and color of autumn. There is comfort in turning to my hope and joy.
Give thanks for the Sovereignty of God in your pain. Father God, though I am going through a trial with several very critical people, I am trusting in You to give strength in my weakness. It is tempting to allow fear of peoples’ words to distract me, as well as the pain of being ignored. Yet I am trusting in you and turning to you for wisdom and comfort. I pray for a guard over my lips to keep me from complaining or allowing feelings to give vent to hurtful words. Thank you, Father. You are my all in all.
I too love that God does not forget us. I have been singing that and it is such a balm to my soul.
2. “The wicked oppressing” may seem like flesh and blood, but our real battle is against spiritual forces in high places. Think about whatever pain you have faced recently or are in now. Are you able to recognize the enemy and what His plan was or is? Explain, if you are willing.
I don’t think it’s just a one time event right now for me. I think Satan tries to take me out slowly, over time, with my exhaustive schedule; the day to day things. I am a very busy person. I have many responsibilities. My life can be chaotic if I let it become that way. I KEEP FOCUSED ON GOD EVERY MINUTE. It’s the only way I get through. I’m talking about from the minute I wake and (perhaps) get off the schedule right away (late for work), to forgetting a part of the schedule on a particular day. When those times happen (and they do), I cannot let the evil one take over. My focus is back on God, and I set my course right for the day again. I will admit I have several people who I lean on when those times happen too, and I thank God for them. They are my husband and a dear friend at work who has my back. But, the key is to not get “taken out” by those small challenges every day.
I loved The Screwtape Letters! I read the book and our youngest son was part of the production in high school. So good! I’m thinking this nephew (the one I mentioned in deep pain) will love the book so I am going to mail it to him.
3. Give thanks for a time when the family of God or God Himself helped you get through a time of suffering. Share specifically how you were helped.
I think it’s going on right now for our family. Our church family is so good to us with the babies. I know if we needed anything we could just ask. Many different people at church have stepped in and are being surrogates for the kids. Our pastor holds and hugs Cooper every time he sees him; they have a special bond. His preschool teacher holds school at the church and sees Cooper every day. She is amazing with the kids and recognizes things about them that are special. Last week she came into children’s choir (choir director running late) and had everyone sing happy birthday to Cooper. So sweet! Grace’s preschool teacher goes to our church too. She also walks around holding Grace and giving me a break. I cherish these people who recognize a need and are giving their sweet hearts to our grandchildren. Thank You Jesus for Zach, Amy, Joanna, and others who have made the babies part of their lives.
4. What do you learn from the following verses about why we need one another, and all the more in times of trouble?
A. Hebrews 10:23-25
We need each other to motivate one another. We need help remembering that God will keep his promises. We need to encourage one another, especially as the end nears and the tribulation occurs.
B. Ecclesiastes 4:9-12
I LOVE this set of verses! It says how two are better than one for several reasons; they can help each other succeed, if one falls the other can reach out and catch them, two lying together can keep each other warm, two together can withstand an attack from someone, and then the best line of all….three together are even better! A triple cord is not easily broken! The Trinity! My husband, me, and God as well. Thank You God for the verses You have given us to remind us of You.
5. Share an answer to prayer — a recent time when you “asked the Lord’s blessing” and He gave it.
This is really silly, but a few weeks ago I was saddened by our daughters choice to get married to her boyfriend. I lamented to God that she was my only daughter and I wanted to help her pick the wedding dress and plan for the wedding. I said to Him, “I guess I will never be normal and be able to do the normal mom things, will I? None of my children are ever going to do it the right way and have a real wedding, are they? Never mother of the bride or groom?” Within 2 days I received a text message from our oldest son that he and his girlfriend were in Cancun and he had just asked her to married him! This is significant because they have been together a very long time (10+ years). Long, long ago this same son called me (I’m his step mom, but raised him from the age of 3) to tell me they were moving in together. I asked him then why they didn’t get married. He said something about needing money for a ring, etc. I think he knew I was disappointed. We actually never thought they would get married! And then, the same week that Sarah did??? God is listening, He knows our hearts, He loves us.
I love how God brought you comfort through your son’s marriage. And I love love how the body of Christ is circling around you, giving you support. Having seen you in action, how giving you are, I really am not surprised!
Laura, I smiled to read of your ‘village’ helping you love the babies. I am grateful with you for all those that care – May it keep Cooper and Grace’s hearts soft toward Him, praying it would be so.
Laura, I am also so happy for those in your church family who love your grandchildren and give them so much encouragement as well as giving you a break. It is a blessing for Cooper and Grace. I also know this is what helps my daughter so much in her care for granddaughter, Lila. Her church family support her also and Lila responds to all the love! Raising a child in midlife is not an easy task… but God provides!
I am doing this right along with you. We had a big disappointment in our fledgling church plant recently as a key couple who came to the Lord and we thought would never leave just did. How we need to trust in God’s sovereignty, wish them well, and pray for them. And so, I am, with the Spirit’s help.
Dee, I am sorry to hear it. Praying for your church family and for them. That He would manifest as the strength of the church to give glory to His name.
Thanks so much, Jill.
I’m so sorry Dee, about the couple who left your church. It really hurts when these things happen. You wonder what could have been different, or if someone did something to the person who leaves. I hope they at least had the decency to explain to the church why they were leaving? It helps others to know, then you aren’t left hanging.
2. “The wicked oppressing” may seem like flesh and blood, but our real battle is against the spiritual forces in high places. Think about whatever pain you have faced recently or are in now. Are you able to recognize the enemy and what his plan was or is? Explain, if you are willing. After reading about Holland’s people being executed I feel like I shouldn’t “complain” about my own pain but I suppose that in itself is a tactic of the enemy…making us feel like our pain is small in comparison so we shouldn’t feel the way we do or shouldn’t deal with it. I have recognized the enemy but have not stopped to ask what his plan or intent is. Ultimately he wants to keep us in ourselves and away from God but there are goals of his that lead to the ultimate goal. I have someone I love who is abusive to their spouse and to me. Satan keeps this person from healing deep, deep hurts that manifest as anger, control-hunger, arrogance, and aloofness. Self-control and choosing opposite of what the hurters did in their life leads to a sense of “past that” and ignorance of current behaviors (or justification of behaviors). I can see satan’s purpose in this person’s life… but what is the purpose of this pain my life? Satan couples this with loneliness (I have not made any friends yet in our new town) to keep me feeling “less-than”… feeling less-than breeds desire to “do better” which puts my focus squarely on religion and to-do lists…not the Gospel. These pains betray the confidence my heart can have in the safety of HIS love. I sometimes think I need to be the hero to change the situation but this is self worship…a desire to star in my own show. Humility, prayer, love, service….
in short: Satan’s plan is to draw my eyes from Truth.
Moving so much is indeed a trial of loneliness — will pray for God to give you a dear friend, soon, and to comfort you with His presence. I know you’ve learned the importance of reaching out yourself — but still, so hard!
This reminded me of ways I have thought in the past:
“…but what is the purpose of this pain my life?”
I have thought, “If you are trying to teach me a lesson Lord. Ok. I get it. But why do the people around me have to suffer? Just teach me!
3. Give thanks for a time when the family of God or God himself helped you get through a time of suffering. Share specifically how you were helped. Thinking on this question made me realize that I hide suffering. There is a belief that you are weak if you show you are effected by pain and you are successful if you can deal with it on your own …this is how one of my parents raised me. God, I thank you for your Divine intervention to have people come to my aid even when I didn’t want them. I am thinking especially of this blog. How the pursuit of Christ here in Dee’s questions and in sister’s responses have been a tool for the Spirit to teach, mold and draw me closer. I am also thinking of the time a stranger showed up at my door with her own immense pain and became a roommate while my husband was deployed. And thinking of the time I had major surgery that severely limited me for three months and the church just brought meals…didn’t ask just served. I am grateful and humbled. Lord, may I be humble to help and to be helped.
4. What do you learn from the following verses about why we need one another, and all the more in times of trouble?
A. Hebrews 10:23-25 we learn that we can stir each other to love and do “good.“ We learn that if we do not meet together it is neglecting each other. That we can help each other be strong and remember truth.
B. Ecclesiates 4:9-12 here again we learn that more than one increases strength. We need another to help get when we fall. We need another to help us stay warm against the element. This has spiritual applications. We can help insulate others with truth against the harsh world and lift each other up when we fall.
5. Share an answer to prayer – a recent time when you “asked the Lord‘s blessing“ and he gave it. A small thing- I had to work three night shifts this week and then was on-call Saturday night… I was so tired…I asked God to please let me sleep (to not get called in) and He made it so. I slept all night without a single call-in. So grateful!
2. Yes, this verse “the wicked oppressing now cease from distressing” is relevant to me as I am in a spiritual battle in my church. Simply described, I have taken a position as Treasurer and in this transition there are issues that have arisen from the previous treasurer and now there is finger pointing at me. So I need to let go of the personality issues involved and realize that this is caused by the enemy to weaken our stand for unity in the body of Christ. I am trusting God and keeping Bible verses in mind when I begin to feel the warfare. God is my refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
I give thanks to God for mature believers and friends who encourage me. Sovereign God, bring peace and hope to our small church. May we continue to be a light to those who need salvation. May we stand together in Your name and honor you. I pray for humility to love those who hurt, to forgive those who speak unkind words and may the joy we share in our walk be evident. May your Holy Spirit give wisdom and power as we praise the name of Jesus.Amen
Praying for you in this situation — so hard.
2. “The wicked oppressing” may seem like flesh and blood, but our real battle is against spiritual forces in high places. Think about whatever pain you have faced recently or are in now. Are you able to recognize the enemy and what His plan was or is? Explain, if you are willing.
I’m thinking of a situation yesterday, but also a trial we’re facing in general. It is so easy to see how the enemy is trying to divide. He causes our eyes to be on self—leading to self pity or self righteousness, thinking we deserve better. Always pride at its root, the very thing that keeps us from seeing our need of Him, our dependence upon Him.
3. Give thanks for a time when the family of God or God Himself helped you get through a time of suffering. Share specifically how you were helped.
Thank You Lord for Your provision of others who have walked similar paths, who can empathize without judgment, faithfully pray. Thank You for providing a school for my daughter, allowing for healing, peace.
4. What do you learn from the following verses about why we need one another, and all the more in times of trouble?
A. Hebrews 10:23-25
He has given us the capacity to encourage one another—that is a gift. We can offer hope when another is downcast and struggling to hold on. It is so important to stay faithful, keep showing up, meeting together, especially at our weakest times, for that is when we really experience the Body encouraging us, holding us up.
B. Ecclesiastes 4:9-12
It is better to be in community that alone. He has made us to work with one another, to help each other. I think this is why one of Satan’s biggest tactics always is to make us think we are alone, that no one can understand or care, or to make us think what we need is to be alone. I know solitude has its place (I’m an introvert!) but that tendency to draw inward when hurting can be destructive. Our God is relational, and He has made us to be in relation with one another, to help support and encourage each other. I’m so thankful for that, and this reminder—to press on towards the Body when I am hurting.
5. Share an answer to prayer — a recent time when you “asked the Lord’s blessing” and He gave it.
My husband has had some extra stress at work and one major component has been that he has asked not to have to travel anymore. With all of Philip’s medical appts. And no family help, it’s difficult for me to manage on my own. Today was a big meeting with his supervisor which we have prayed over for the last several months and it was finally granted that his job will not include travel. The details are still fuzzy and a lot to trust the Lord with, but it was a great answer to prayer!
That’s a wonderful answer to prayer!
2. “The wicked oppressing” may seem like flesh and blood, but our real battle is against spiritual forces in high places. Think about whatever pain you have faced recently or are in now. Are you able to recognize the enemy and what His plan was or is? Explain, if you are willing.
This past weekend something happened that caused pain and Sunday morning I came to Dee’s blog. The part Dee wrote where satan enjoys separating the sheep so they can back away from God and each other. So ultimately he can destroy them. I know it is easy to think I am bias because I love Dee so much but I hope I love Jesus more! 🙂 Seriously, HE always meets me here and He did again. He revealed to me that satan is attacking me and my family and has been for a long time.
I began to reflect to see how satan is lying to me and some of my family members. How he longs for me to back away from God by taking the spiritual things I hoped would happen around me and make them not happen so that I would doubt God and feel alone among the body of Christ.
The weather was truly amazing Sunday so I walked over to the cometary with my memory verses and walked talking with God..I sat on a bench among all the headstones. It was a time of repentance for I was beginning to believe some of those lies because I feel alone here at home in my faith, but I started listening to God in my verses and because it was still I could hear Him. I wanted to stay there all day with Him-it was such a sweet time. I didn’t want to leave for I felt His presence like a minuscule wave- but wanted more. Oh..He is truly my life, my savior and my hope. I can’t let satan make it a mountain or become more to me than Him.
Love this from Rebecca:
The weather was truly amazing Sunday so I walked over to the cometary with my memory verses and walked talking with God..I sat on a bench among all the headstones. It was a time of repentance for I was beginning to believe some of those lies because I feel alone here at home in my faith, but I started listening to God in my verses and because it was still I could hear Him. I wanted to stay there all day with Him-it was such a sweet time. I didn’t want to leave for I felt His presence like a minuscule wave- but wanted more. Oh..He is truly my life, my savior and my hope. I can’t let satan make it a mountain or become more to me than Him.
Sunday:
1. What stands out to you from the above and why? – I love the picture with the fall path and the words showing in there. I love that God does not forget us and will do everything to keep us close to Him. This is such joy knowing I can always turn to Him in my need.
2. Give thanks for the the sovereignty of God in your pain in the past or right now. – Lord, thank you! You never falter from me or my needs. You are a gentleman waiting for me to approach. Help me to continue to rely and trust in you and to not be afraid to come to you with my most trivial requests. You love me for me and always are there to help me in my time of need. Help me to continue to reach out to you so you can help. Remove ‘me’ from me so I can be filled with you. In Jesus Name I pray. Amen!
1. What stands out to you from the above and why? ‘Satan’s strategy is always to get us to back away from God’ This stands out to me because my husband and I have been struggling in our marriage for several months now and I can see now through this very study in His Word today, that I have not leaned into God in my hurt, but backed away.
2. Give thanks for the the sovereignty of God in your pain in the past or right now. I stand amazed at God’s sovereignty in using this study from Dee in such instrumental ways the last months. I thank God that He has provided and not forgotten His own.
Thank you Chris — prayers for you!
Thank you, Dee! Appreciate your vulnerability and sharing so we can all learn from you 🙂
3. Give thanks for a time when the family of God or God Himself helped you get through a time of suffering. Share specifically how you were helped. My husband and I had a very typical argument last night. My first thought this morning was, ‘I need Dee’s blog.’ Last night I had resolved to let go of my hurt and anger in my marriage and instead turn that over to God, trusting Him to make all things right. Psalm 107:
17Some were fools through their sinful ways,
and because of their iniquities suffered affliction;
18they loathed any kind of food,
and they drew near to the gates of death.
19Then they cried to the Lord in their trouble,
and he delivered them from their distress.
20He sent out his word and healed them,
and delivered them from their destruction.
21Let them thank the Lord for his steadfast love,
for his wondrous works to the children of man!
22And let them offer sacrifices of thanksgiving,
and tell of his deeds in songs of joy!
This scripture spoke directly to my heart.
4. What do you learn from the following verses about why we need one another, and all the more in times of trouble?
A. Hebrews 10: 23Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful. 24And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, 25not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near. As believers, we need to trust God with everything-even the suffering. It’s easy to turn from God and fellow believers instead and nurse our wounds, allowing bitterness to grow.
B. Ecclesiastes 4: 9Two are better than one, because they have a good reward for their toil. 10For if they fall, one will lift up his fellow. But woe to him who is alone when he falls and has not another to lift him up! 11Again, if two lie together, they keep warm, but how can one keep warm alone? 12And though a man might prevail against one who is alone, two will withstand him—a threefold cord is not quickly broken. Fellowship gives us strength and holds us accountable.
5. Share an answer to prayer — a recent time when you “asked the Lord’s blessing” and He gave it. The Lord is working in my marriage and in the hearts of ladies in my bible study.
Huge: The Lord is working in my marriage and in the hearts of ladies in my bible study.
Chris–so thankful for this work He is doing in your marriage! Answered prayer!!
6. How has God purified you through pain? Can you give Him thanks for this? God has shown me my part in my marriage struggle. Behaviors aren’t easy to change, but I’m trusting God to cleanse me.
2. “The wicked oppressing” may seem like flesh and blood, but our real battle is against spiritual forces in high places. Think about whatever pain you have faced recently or are in now. Are you able to recognize the enemy and what His plan was or is? Explain, if you are willing. – For me I seem to have a bad attitude toward my husband due to some things he has said to me that were negative in my mind. He doesn’t realize how what he has said affected me and I haven’t said anything about it either. I don’t like confrontation and I think the enemy knows this, so he keeps bringing it to my mind. I can have a slim glimmer of love toward my husband and then I am reminded again what he said. The enemy in this are my negative thoughts. I need to renew my mind with Godly things and practice forgiveness toward my husband. I feel that God wants me to be open about it and because I don’t like confrontation I don’t do what I’m supposed to do. I need to pray hard for this to be gone and for me to know how to communicate what is bothering me.
3. Give thanks for a time when the family of God or God Himself helped you get through a time of suffering. Share specifically how you were helped. – My marriage was falling apart, I had two young boys. I didn’t want to even go to church but I would go and bring my boys with me even though their dad was against me ‘making’ them go. I’m thankful to the Sunday School teachers that taught my boys. I’m thankful for the elders at that church who helped see what the various scriptures that I was standing on truly meant. They helped ease my mind that for me divorce was not a sin since he was unfaithful. I’m thankful for God using my youngest 3 year to tell bring me back from I was arguing with my 8 year old who was suffering from the divorce. I remember to this day that my youngest said to me “Mom, Miss Dawn said we are to love one another” Ouch did that hurt as I was yelling at my 8 year old. So much support at that time for me that was unconditional love toward me and my boys.
4. What do you learn from the following verses about why we need one another, and all the more in times of trouble?
A. Hebrews 10:23-25 – It says we need to find a way to get others on board with the Lord and for them to receive his promises as well.
B. Ecclesiastes 4:9-12 – Two people that will hold each other accountable, will be there for each other. Two are stronger together to come up against the enemy if he should come at them.
5. Share an answer to prayer — a recent time when you “asked the Lord’s blessing” and He gave it. – My Mom and my Husband have been having issues where they each needed to have a biopsy done. My Mom’s was on her breast and my husband’s his prostrate. I have prayed for a good report to come, for health to be upon both of them. My Mom’s testing have all come back as benign and I’m believeing for that same answer for my Husband, we should know something on Friday when he goes back for his followup. Thank you Lord for hearing my cries.
Praying for your husband Julie.
julie–praying too for your husband’s reports to be good. I’m so sorry for your trials above, #3, but thankful to see this: “So much support at that time for me that was unconditional love toward me and my boys.”
Thank you Lizzy!
Thank you Laura!
6. How has God purified you through pain? Can you give Him thanks for this? – He continues to show me that He is in control. That when I remove myself from the equation (the controller) He is able to work in His ways. I’ve been broke to the point of not knowing how I was going to pay for things and he ALWAYS came through, even by having my nephew a very self absorb, frugal person send me money just out of the blue. That was only GOD! He continues to show me that he is the Great Physician by having his report come back on those that I love. I just need to remember these things in the time of struggle and step back and let Him take control. Thank you Lord for always providing for me like a good Father does. Thank you for reminding me with these small glimpses when I need them but that are huge in my heart. You are always by my side and you make your presence known when I get out of the way. Help me to continue to walk behind you a you guide the way to the open path. In Jesus Name I pray. AMEN!
8. In Psalm 107:1-2, what are we told to do? When is the last time you did this to another?
We are to give thanks in the Lord. We are to tell others what He has done.
I try to thank God each day. I told someone just a day out so ago how He has made beauty from ashes with the babies we are raising.
9. In the following passages, what specific examples are given of being delivered from distress?
A. Psalm 107:4-9
The people are wandering in the wilderness. He finds them and rescues them when they call.
B. Psalm 107:10-16
Some people are imprisoned in their misery. They rebelled until they couldn’t stand the pain anymore. They cried out and He came to save them.
C. Psalm 107:17-22
Some people were fools. They rebelled and got to the point of not eating and harming themselves. They cried out to Him and He came to deliver them them from death.
D. Psalm 107:23-32
Some went on ships for their businesses. They were afraid when tossed on the ocean by huge storms. Again, they cried out for His help. The Lord was there.
10. Give thanks for some of the ways and times you have been relieved from distress.
He has protected me. Thank You Lord. He has put the correct thought in my head how to solve a problem. Thank You Jesus. He has led me through others when I had no idea what to do. Thank You Lord. He has provided ways out of sticky situations when I didn’t know which way to turn. He has given me strength when I didn’t think I could continue. Thank You Lord.
6. How has God purified you through pain? Can you give Him thanks for this?
He has shown me that making idols of my children was really a terrible thing to do. He wants me to Himself. He wants me to want Him more than anything else. It has been a very long lesson to learn, but I am nearly there. Having Him above all, is what I am striving for in my life.
So insightful, Laura. We have all had lessons like this, and you are a beautiful daughter to our Father.
6. How has God purified you through pain? Can you give Him thanks for this?
My trials have brought humility. My most painful experiences have exposed self righteousness, judgmental-ism, and my idols—especially of my family. I know I will always struggle with some form of pride on this side, for I see it at the root of all my sin. But I am thankful for the ways my trials have exposed more of my sin and allowed Him to refine my heart.
8. In Psalm 107:1-2, what are we told to do? When is the last time you did this to another?
Oh give thanks to the Lord, for he is good, for his steadfast love endures forever!2 Let the redeemed of the Lord say so, whom he has redeemed from trouble
9. In the following passages, what specific examples are given of being delivered from distress?
A. Psalm 107:4-9
They wandered, lost…hungry, thirsty…then they cried, and He delivered them, He led them, He satisfied their soul, He filled them up with good things.
B. Psalm 107:10-16
The Lord brought those who were imprisoned out of their darkness, freed them of their chains.
C. Psalm 107:17-22
He delivered those who were suffering affliction because of their sin. He healed their sickness.
D. Psalm 107:23-32
He calmed the waters, showing His power over all the sea, rescuing them from storms.
10. Give thanks for some of the ways and times you have been relieved from distress.
Thank You Father for bringing Your light of truth to the darkest hours, when our minds are confused and hopeless, You shine, and You draw us back to You. You remind me that my circumstances will change, and they cannot be my foundation. But You are never changing, You will never fail. If my hope is in You, I cannot be shaken. Thank You that You are a God who loves to heal, restore, renew.
Comment on Ecclesiastes 4:9-12
Two are better than one…This paragraph is powerful. Yes, I agree. Whether it is a wife with husband, or two friends. Sometimes the marital relationship may strengthen or maybe it may pull one down. Yet as God’s Word is honored there is much good. Each of us has strengths and weaknesses we bring to a relationship. When one is discouraged, the other may encourage. One’s gifts are unique, but are multiplied as they are combined. Pity the man(or woman) who falls and has no one to help him up! I was blessed when my hip deteriorated and needed to be replaced, because my husband was a great helper, even in areas in which he was weak.
Hebrews 10:23-25 Let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. This passage is a wonderful one for the importance and necessity of fellowship with one another. My small group Bible study is such an important time for me, and helps me to evaluate where I am on this journey.
Bible study is always helpful, but the fellowship of like minded Christians really stimulates one toward growth.
6. How has God purified you through pain? Well, I recognize my selfishness when I must endure pain. How sin is always about that middle letter, I. My life has had times of deep pain from hurtful relationships, usually not understandable because it is not easy to see the log in my own eye, yet I see the splinter is someone else’s. At one time I sought the help of an Alanon group as alcoholism in a loved one hurt me.I remember hearing one woman say, ” I am thankful for my alcoholic because it has given me truths and fellowship that I wouldn’t have had otherwise.” At that time it sounded foolish to me to be thankful to have this issue to endure. However I do see now, and I am thankful and give thanks to God through painful circumstances. Even this morning I was contemplating an unacceptable treatment from someone I love. As I went to my prayer room before dawn, and sang the verses, For the beauty of each hour, I looked out my window and saw the beauty of the full moon. God is always with me, reminding me He is Sovereign , He knows my heart, He is my All in All! All praise to Him
Love your whole post, Shirley, but this made me smile:
As I went to my prayer room before dawn, and sang the verses, For the beauty of each hour, I looked out my window and saw the beauty of the full moon. God is always with me, reminding me He is Sovereign , He knows my heart, He is my All in All! All praise to Him
Shirleymeadow, love how you brought out that two are better than one isn’t just referring to husband and wife but also friends. There are times I need to hear the truth about my sin when I am trying to justify it and there are times I need to hear the truth when it is about someone who has sinned against me and I am blaming myself. My sister in law really helps me see the truth. Truly sweet indeed!
7. Can you sing the first verse of “We Gather Together?” (Try it!) Is it becoming more meaningful? – I don’t know if I ever really heard this hymn before, but the more I keep looking at this first verse or hear it, I am so grateful that God never leaves His own. What peace this can bring in a time of trial.
8. In Psalm 107:1-2, what are we told to do? When is the last time you did this to another? – We are to let others know that God is good and His love endures forever. I belong to a Health Blog on Facebook and I will pray for the Ladies there that are struggling and remind them that God is got the situation under control. The Ladies there are so encouraging to each other when we are struggling to stay on track. It so helpful to know I have others praying for me and will lift me up when I’m down.
9. In the following passages, what specific examples are given of being delivered from distress?
A. Psalm 107:4-9 – Crying out to the Lord when we are in distress. He will hear us and deliver us and guide us to plenty.
B. Psalm 107:10-16 – When we realize we have not listened to the Lord, we need to cry out to Him in our trouble and He will deliver us.
C. Psalm 107:17-22 – In our sinful ways we will pull away from God, but we need to just cry out to Him at this time for him to help us through.
D. Psalm 107:23-32 – I see a pattern here…plain and simple, if we want God to help us in our time of need, we need to cry out to Him and he will deliver us out of the enemy’s hand. No matter how big or small our troubles are, He will be there to deliver us IF we cry out to Him.
10. Give thanks for some of the ways and times you have been relieved from distress. – Lord I thank you for all that you do for me, from the good medical reports for my family and friends to the small car repair bill when we thought it was going to be an expensive repair. THANK YOU! Help me Lord to always know that you have my best interest in your hands and will always deliver me from the trouble I am in WHEN and IF I call out to you. Thank you for being YOU!
3. Give thanks for a time when the family of God or God Himself helped you get through a time of suffering. Share specifically how you were helped.
The church that we were attending suffered a split. After going to that church and being very involved we decided to leave with the pastor to the new church. As with any church split there were a lot of hard feelings and lost friendships (I was crushed by the number of people who would no longer talk to us.) .
A few months later my 16 year old niece who we had been taking to church, Sunday school, Awana and youth group at our previous church since she was 4 was killed in a car accident. Our former church had her funeral and hosted her funeral dinner (without being asked) They opened their doors to over 200 people. People that I hadn’t seen since the split came. It was so comforting to have my brothers and sisters in Christ overlook our differences in a time of sorrow.
Dawn—what a powerful story of truly overlooking the non-essentials to live out what is essential in our faith, loving one another, supporting each other in the hardest times. So sorry for your loss, I think I remember you sharing it here, but thankful the Body was a comfort for your family.
Wow, Dawn. That does speak so loudly. We just had a couple we thought would never leave The Orchard leave, and it really stunned us all and hurt. But this story is such a good reminder to keep loving.
Dawn, this story is truly heartwarming…all of the ugliness of the split was put away and your church family was there for you when you desperately needed them.
Dawn, this is such a good story and reminded me that when we are all together face to face with Jesus we won’t be thinking about it which helps me to remember to treat my brothers and sisters well now like I will in the future because we will all be together in the future. 🙂 Church splits are so hard and really how else can you handle them other than staying or going-both are hard choices because someone always gets hurt, but God heals hearts. So glad you all came together!! 🙂
I felt prompted to visit the blog even though I know I couldn’t participate much at this time. Boy, was I so blessed by reading the postings! Just what I needed. Dee, your story about Sally really touched my heart. “He forgets not His own”. I am very familiar with this song and it took on fresh meaning and perspective upon reading Sally’s story (I read ahead). Even though I have been wracked by physical fatigue, continued challenges with my family in the Philippines, demands at school and at church, I have felt God’s continued support and presence. “He forgets not His own”.
I am doing well spiritually, buoyed by prayers of many like you and the Word of God. Supported by a patient and understanding husband. Loved by many of you and loved by the Father. Greetings to all of you here!
Bing, we all love you here and you are not forgotten by us! Continuing to pray for you and your family!
11. Often God does not take a way our pain, but comes and comforts us in the midst of it. Can you give thanks for a time like that?
I know I keep using my daughter and the babies as my example, but it’s because it’s in my face every day now!
The pain of what our daughter has done to us is indeed still here, however we have great joy with the kids. Also, I believe I created pain in my life with an abortion and a miscarriage in a previous marriage and these two babies are my “second chance.”
12. How did God do that for Hagar in Genesis 16? What did she call God?
God gave Hagar a child, Ishmael. He said he would multiply this and give her more aoffspring also. This confuses me because I thought her lineage was that of the Islam religion and Issac that of the Christian religion. Is this not true? She calls God “the One who sees me.”
I don’t think I ever heard your “second chance” perspective, Laura.
Sally’s story. The feeling of wanting to jump off a ledge right after he told her he wanted a separation is so relatable but she was also far from home in another country and had to rely on someone she didn’t know well. I am sure she felt not only the pain of being rejected but vulnerable and alone in her need to be rescued but God answered Dee and Steve’s prayer over and abundant..with the teacher whose name meant The kindness of God and with Jan Silvious’ counseling to help her heal. I am blown over by what the teacher’s name meant!
Thanks, Rebecca. I’m thankful Sal is finally telling her story — I think it will help others. You bless me!
Psalm 107 We are to give thanks to the Lord for his steadfast love! We are to tell others about it. I shared Scripture with 2 others, but I have not had the opportunity to share my own response from his deliverance this week, other than my Bible study friends. I pray for opportunity and boldness to speak of these. Verses 4-9 The people in the wilderness were hungry and thirsty, and the Lord provided for their needs.He led them to a city and satisfied their longing souls!
Verses 10-16 Some were prisoners because of their rebellion. When they cried to the Lord He heard them and released them from bondage.
Verses 17-22 Some were fools because of their sinful behavior, and almost died. They cried to the Lord and He healed them.
Verses 23-32 Some were sailors doing business and experienced the storms on the sea. Their strength melted and they were tossed to and fro, but when they cried to the Lord in their distress, He calmed the seas. He brought them safely to the harbor.
Father God, You hear my cry during my time of distress when I was accused and felt deserted by one I love. You gave peace in the night and allowed me to rest. I ask, why, but there is no answer. Yet You are with me and You comfort me with your love. I praise you and thank you.
Yes, You hear my prayer and draw me to you with your everlasting arms and shelter me under your wings. I am safe in Your care. Thanks always, and help me to grow ever closer to you in thought and in deed so that others may know You. In Jesus’ name, I pray.
1. What stands out to you from the above and why?
The burning of Antwerp, and later, the believers “knowing God had allowed this”. I still have a lot of questions about suffering in this world. I care for patients who got in their cars to go to work, and ended up in the hospital with a broken bone after an accident, or passed out at home, falling down the stairs, and fracturing their bones. Things happen in this world due to human error, or your car sliding on a slick road, or something goes wrong with your body. I still don’t know what I really believe about these things; did God “allow” it, or this is simply the state of the human condition that we live in? And, people are harmed and killed by the evil intentions of others, because the perpetrator has free will to choose to commit evil. I once listened to a podcast in which a woman talked about when she was young and shared a house with some other girls, a man broke in and sexually assaulted two of them, but not her. How do you answer that…did God “allow” the two to be raped, but not allow her to be raped? What does that make God look like? I really don’t know.
2. Give thanks for the sovereignty of God in your pain in the past or right now.
I am thankful that though life can be perplexing, hard, lonely at times, and sometimes it seems that the dark side is winning; we are a part of God’s kingdom, and His ship is not going down.
2. The “wicked oppressing” may seem like flesh and blood, but our real battle is against spiritual forces in high places. Think about whatever pain you have faced recently or are in now. Are you able to recognize what His plan was or is? Explain if you are willing.
This isn’t so much about me, but the “wicked oppressing” made me think of this. About three weeks ago, the church I attend brought Leslie Vernick in on a Saturday for a women’s event to speak about healthy and destructive relationships. Those of you who know of her work know that she really focuses on helping women in destructive relationships/marriages. She told us that our pastor “gets it”. I learned later that our pastor had approached Cathy, our women’s ministry leader, and asked her about bringing in Leslie. He was holding one of her books in his hand. Cathy reminded him that Leslie was out of our church’s budget, but he said that “we’ll make it happen”. I learned also that our church had asked another church in the area to partner in this, but the other church declined. I invited a friend of mine who is in a destructive marriage, and she said so many things were confirmed to her by Leslie. At the end of Leslie’s talk, she answered some questions submitted by women there. It was eye opening as I listened to the questions, thinking that likely most of the women there were believers, and so represented marriage in the church. There was one about how the husband used Scripture to keep his wife in her place, and others that were disturbing. Then, last Sunday when I walked into my fellowship class, my former neighbor whom I haven’t seen in years walked up to me. I was so surprised to see her, and later learned from her that she is in one of Leslie’s Core groups along with another woman in my class, and had not been attending church for years because of what is preached from the pulpit concerning marriage, women, and a woman’s role in marriage. She herself had arranged for other women in Leslie’s Core group who attended the conference to have lunch with Leslie that day. She’s trying out our church because of our pastor’s understanding of how women can be in abusive relationships, and that the old, familiar pastorly advice to try harder, pray more, be submissive, is not the answer. Women are hurting and have been hurt by the church. I know that Leslie is often under attack, and not well-liked by many in the evangelical world, and certainly that is a spiritual battle against her message. It is also a spiritual attack on women who are kept silent, hurting, and isolated; feeling as if they have nowhere to turn.
Wow, Susan. Is it okay if I share all this with Leslie — I think it would really encourage her.
I’m just checking in on the blog today….yes, please share this with Leslie!
3. Give thanks for a time when the family of God or God Himself helped you get through a time of suffering. Share specifically how you were helped.
The most specific example I have is when my 21 year old nephew died in 2009 of a drug overdose. The grief was like a heavy weight and overwhelming at times. I found it most hard to connect to God. A few months after his death, I heard Dee on the radio and went to her website and signed up for her emails. A short time after that, I received an email asking who would be interested in doing an online study with Dee through her book, The God of All Comfort, and I responded that I would. And so, I began with this blog in January 2010, and was helped so much to deal with my grief and pain as we dug into her book and Job and the Psalms. I have always believed all of that was no coincidence and that God led me to Dee.
4. What do you learn from the following verses about why we need one another, and all the more in times of trouble?
A. Hebrews 10:23-35
We need each other to motivate each other to love and do good works, and to encourage one another.
B. Ecclesiastes 4:9-12
These verses use the examples of falling…if one person falls alone, who is there to help him up? And trying to keep warm…two people lying close will keep each other warm, but how can one person be warm by himself? And, a person by himself is easily attacked, but two can fight together, and having three is even better. It’s easy to see that an isolated person is easy prey.
And God led you to encourage all of us!