This week I read what I think is the best commentary I have read on The Song of Songs. (Thank you, Elizabeth.) Matthew Henry has a close edge — but this is amazing in part because it is contemporary, and she seems to avoid both the error of the ancients (seeing only Christ and the Church) and the error of the contemporaries (seeing only sex and marriage). I AM SO EXCITED TO SHARE THE TREASURES WITH YOU, MY DEAR SISTERS.
Ellen Davis asks, concerning The Song: “Is it the least Biblical book in the Bible, or the most?”
If indeed, as many modern preachers think, it is only about the beauty of romance and marriage, though that is a fine thing, it is probably the least Biblical book.
But if indeed it is about the love of Christ for His Bride, and her responsive love to Him, then it may be the most Biblical book. For the heart of Christianity is not programs or rules, but relationship — the most intimate and passionate relationship. It is what we are always in danger of forgetting.
In her introduction, Davis took my breath away with a perspective that makes so much sense and makes the whole Song fall together in a harmonious melody. Succinctly, she makes a strong case for The Song of Songs being a picture of Eden restored. She writes: “The Song is about repairing the damage done by the first disobedience in Eden, what Christian tradition calls “the Fall.”
CONSIDER THE THREE-FOLD RUPTURE:
1. BETWEEN THE WOMAN AND THE MAN
2. BETWEEN HUMANITY AND NATURE
3. BETWEEN GOD AND MAN
Could it be that The Song is about the reconciliation of all three?
1. THAT INSTEAD OF USING AND ABUSING ONE ANOTHER, A HUSBAND AND WIFE WOULD LOVE ONE ANOTHER, SERVE ONE ANOTHER, AND TRULY BECOME ONE? WHAT IF THE MARRIAGE BED WAS INTENDED TO BE A PICTURE OF, NOT ONLY THE BEAUTY OF MARRIAGE AT ITS BEST, BUT OF THE MYSTERY OF CHRIST BECOMING ONE WITH HIS BRIDE?
2. THAT THE LAND, INSTEAD OF BEING WINTER, WOULD TURN TO SPRING, AND THAT INSTEAD OF BEING CURSED WITH WEEDS, WOULD BURST FORTH WITH GARDENS FILLED WITH LILIES, ROSES, AND VINES IN BLOSSOM? WHAT IF THE LAND BLOSSOMING WAS NOT ONLY A PICTURE OF THE BEAUTY OF THE EARTH, BUT OF THE FRUITFULNESS OF A SOUL UNITED TO GOD?
3. THAT MAN, INSTEAD OF HIDING FROM GOD, RUNNING FROM THE LIGHT, WOULD RETURN TO WALKING WITH GOD, EXPERIENCING THE PRESENCE AND THE PASSION OF GOD? WHAT IF THIS PICTURE, THIS SONG OF SONGS, WAS THE CULMINATION OF ALL THREE PICTURES?
I have learned so much on this journey, and you have been a part of that. Those who were hesitant at the beginning have grown so much, and all of you have contributed significantly. Next week, Thanksgiving week, will be our last on The Song, for then we will be in Advent, always a special time on the blog.
Sunday/Monday: Icebreaker
1. What stood out to you from the above and why?
Monday/Friday Bible Study
Ellen Davis writes that modern commentators adhere to a rigidly sexual interpretation of The Song. Their ancient counterparts, she says, erred in the opposite direction, saying the poem was a coded account of religious experience and every picture had to be decoded — the two breasts were, for example, the law and the prophets, or the Old and New Testaments. But might a holistic approach make more sense — that both are present and speak about one another? “Fundamental to both is a desire to transcend the self for intimacy with the other.”
In the same way, there is much interplay between the images of nature and the fruitfulness of a believer abiding in Christ. The woman’s body is often compared to a beautiful land. God, the Creator of heaven and earth, of sexuality and marriage, and of the possibility of intimacy between man and God, brings them all together in this Song of Songs.
2. Read Genesis 3:16.
A. The word “desire” in this passage can be translated either sexual desire or the desire to be in control (see Genesis 4:7) I believe that it is the latter, since sexual desire is a good gift and was present before the fall. If, you interpret desire to be “rule over”, how does this verse describe the changed and marred relationship between husband and wife?
B. Find a picture in The Song of Songs of this marred relationship restored — instead of using one another, they are adoring and serving one another. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
3. Read Genesis 3:17-18
A. What happened to the land as a result of the fall?
B. Find a picture in The Song of Songs of this effect of the fall reversed. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
4. Read Genesis 3:23-24
A. What happened to the intimacy between man and God in the garden as a result of the fall?
B. Find a picture, drawing from the relationship of the Shulammite maiden and the king, of a restored relationship that is like a restored relationship with God. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
5. Read Song of Songs 7:11-12 and describe the images of the land restores. As you meditate on this passage, what else do you see?
6. Read Song of Songs 8:5 and describe the image. What do you see that is relevant both to restoration in marriage and restoration between man and God?
7. Read Song of Songs 8:6-7. This is a famous passage, often used at weddings. How can you also see Christ and His Bride in it?
Saturday:
8. What is your take-a-way and why?
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1. What stood out to you from the above and why? I like the summary of the three applications of The Song of Songs. As you said, Dee, it is very succinct and outlines the main challenges of the book. My focus has been on Christ and myself so to “officially” expand my application to my husband and nature as well as the plural church is good (even though I know we have discussed all these, though i don’t specifically remember speaking of nature). I have been so engrossed with personal revelation, which is good to grow but I must exercise caution to not become self-centered. It is a balance.
The husband and wife particularly stands out to me. I hadn’t thought of the fall fracturing their relationship, but that seems obvious now. I have seen positive change in my attitude and approach in marriage since I began this study.
The last thing that stands out to me is next week is the last of The Song of Songs study and I feel a bit of that panic Renee was speaking of. I wish to discuss these concepts indefinitely in order that one day, perhaps, I would fully understand and grasp His love and be fully recreated in it. But I know it is a work in process and I trust He will continue to reveal Himself and His truths to me as long as I seek Him.
I so resonate with you on this, I too was self-focused on “my” walk with God. I will never forget the sermon we listened to from timothy Keller on Love/Lust, consumer marriage versus covenant marriage…it forever changed me. This whole bible study has given me back my first love with God and second, it has done something in my heart towards my husband adn marriage….I look at my marriage as one of the most sacred gifts on this earth now.
Jill — while we are going to do an Advent study, I have a sense that The Song of Songs is not over — at least its melody will haunt us and we will look at portions again. Because I’m writing a book on it, I may want to return. Next week we will share some highlights too. I do recommend to you and Renee and others who want it to continue this particular commentary for I think it the best I’ve seen overall. However, Matthew Henry is free online, and he is very good too. But this one worth the cost for certain.
Just ordered it. I’ve appreciated the depth of thought associated with faculty and grads of Duke Divinity School.
Too funny…I was thinking a few weeks back that you should write a book on the Song of Songs, and here you are!
1. What stood out to you from the above and why?
This blows me away- that this is a picture of Eden restored-a three fold rupture. It DOES make sense, yet I want to really taste this better-for this takes Song of Songs in a beautiful direction that makes sense as to God’s original desire for us.
A quick thought was that it reminds me of how when our gardens begin to bloom now, here on Earth-our desires begin lining up with His-we see everything here on Earth anew when we see His heart for a restored Eden. Like some of the Keller sermons that are so changing me in this area. We will desire more and more what He desires, for a restored Eden is who He is-“the Fall” isn’t who God is.
1. What stood out to you from the above and why?
The opening…it is like the part in classical music (a full orchestra) where the music is swelling and rising in a crescendo and takes you in your mind to thoughts of beauty and things longed for! I am intrigued and Dee’s description of Ellen Davis’ commentary makes me want to get it. (I have also been considering purchasing Nancy Leigh DeMoss’ entire CD series on Songs, too, for continued study)
For the heart of Christianity is not programs or rules, but relationship – the most intimate and passionate relationship. It is what we are always in danger of forgetting.
This week, while driving my daughter home from school, I heard a woman on Chris Fabry Live who was talking about sexual purity. My heart swelled as I listened to her give this illustration: She said that she collects teacups from all over the world. She was going to move, and she carefully wrapped each cup in bubble-wrap and packed them carefully into boxes, marking each box in big letters: FRAGILE, and HANDLE WITH CARE. The boxes were put into a storage facility by the movers. When she went to get them, she discovered the boxes were flattened and crushed. When she opened the boxes, most of the cups were broken, shattered. She went on to say how God sees us, His daughters, as priceless, fragile teacups that He desires to protect from being crushed, smashed. His warnings about sexual sin are not about breaking the rules, but when we are left smashed and broken by that sin, it breaks His heart. I loved her message because it was clear that she “got it” – the relationship is everything.
I love this idea that Song of Songs is about this three-fold restoration between woman and man, man and nature, and, most importantly, between God and man. Eden restored. I think it is what we all long for in the depths of our souls.
Then, the “high wave” I was riding came down a little as I read at the end that next week will be our last week in the Songs! I am among those who don’t want to leave it!
I too love this study and do not want it to end….thanks for sharing the story you heard on the radio…how beautiful, the tea cups.
Susan, the tea cups story is a fabulous visual! Thank you for sharing that, it ‘haunted’ me all of yesterday as I pondered its application in my life and in giving testimony to the beauty of Christ to others.
Just out of curiosity – a little background information on who is Ellen Davis?
Always a good question, Susan. Here is the write-up of her from Duke Seminary where she is a professor:
Biography
Ellen F. Davis is Amos Ragan Kearns Professor of Bible and Practical Theology at Duke University Divinity School in North Carolina.
The author of eight books and many articles, her research interests focus on how biblical interpretation bears on the life of faith communities and their response to urgent public issues, particularly the environmental crisis and interfaith relations. Her most recent book, Scripture, Culture, and Agriculture: An Agrarian Reading of the Bible (Cambridge University Press, 2009), integrates biblical studies with a critique of industrial agriculture and food production. Her other publications include Wondrous Depth: Old Testament Preaching (Westminster John Knox, 2005); Who Are You, My Daughter? Reading Ruth through Image and Text (Westminster John Knox, 2003), an annotated translation accompanying woodcuts by Margaret Adams Parker; Getting Involved with God: Rediscovering the Old Testament (Cowley, 2002); and The Art of Reading Scripture (Eerdmans, 2003), co-edited with Richard Hays.
She has long been involved in inter-religious dialogue and is now cooperating with the Episcopal Church of Sudan to develop theological education, community health, and sustainable agriculture.
Degrees
A.B., University of California, Berkeley
Cert. Theo., Oxford University
M.Div., Church Divinity School of the Pacific
Ph.D., Yale University
I always look at the publisher too — for that is a key — and Westminster John Knox is solid and Reformed. I have read the whole commentary and while there were a couple of things that caused me pause, I absolutely loved it and stand by it. Honestly — the majority of commentaries on The Song are strange — but I have found Mike Reeves and Ellen Davis sensible and refreshing and scriptural.
1. What stood out to you from the above and why?
I was so happy to see that you/Dee shared information regarding this recent commentary you/she has found so enlightening and rich…I ordered it just moments ago and look forward to delving into it. It seems somewhat ironic, that in beginning this study, I was pretty unsure of SoS, i.e., unsure of its poetic nature (not really my thing), unsure of the differing opinions related to SoS, unsure of what the Lord might be up to in having us study this book. Now nearing the end, I see myself as a different follower of Christ as a result of this study. Studying SoS has given me new perspectives and I love the thought of continuing to study SoS. Reading Dee’s questions from the Davis commentary increases my hunger.
I agree with Susan, the beginning portion of this week’s study is like”the music is swelling and rising in a crescendo and takes you in your mind to thoughts of beauty and things longed for!”
Thank you for the information on Ellen Davis, Dee.
Nanci — I’m saving this description of your change in thought on The Song!
Nancy, Your post so encouraged me-and I am with the others here..I DON’T WANT IT TO STOP!! I want to keep going in SOS..I think the Davis commentary kind of turned my mind in a different direction and I need time to soak in the wonder of it-truly, it is beautiful to think SOS could be a three fold rupture-I do see it although dimly..I need to put it together so I look forward to this weeks study and how God will weave it in our hearts deeper.
Interestingly a week or so ago, I searched out the meaning of the word Eden…it means, “Delight”. I love the question that you posed Dee, “Could it be that the Song is about reconciliation of all three?”…oh what a wondrous question and a heavenly outcome!!! EDEN restored!!! I try to imagine a place like that…a daydream worth having I might add! We were made for THAT those particular longings were put in the heart of every person because that was the intent of the original designer, God Himself! The garden restored!!! I love how this Song gives us a glimpse of that kind of beauty, over and over again our senses are awakened to the wonder of God and His imaginative creation. We are challenged to touch, to see, to feel, to smell, to hear, to explore…every fiber of our being is ALIVE as we explore this book! I think it is definitely unique in that respect. A person cannot read this book (with the heart engaged) and not be drawn into the glory of it all. Glimpses of Eden run like a thread through the chapters and I think that is why we all love it so! This world can be a cold place; however, I am finding that the warmth of the visuals (given in SoS) a kindling for my soul! I dare say the embers are crackling in each of our hearts! I just keep thinking of the song “Glory” by Selah…it makes my heart swell like the orchestration that you all are so beautifully describing!!! 🙂
Rhonda,
I love the meaning of “Eden.” Thanks for sharing it.
I’ve been listening to Selah since reading your post:)
Your enthusiasm is spreading — yes, like a fire!
Rhonda, yes your fire is indeed spreading! 🙂
Yes, thanks for the definition of Eden….that is wow!
I have to add one more thing to my above comments…I LOVE to explore “names” and understand God’s heart in the choosing. I found it interesting that He was conveying the emotion of “DELIGHT” it was His heart placement during the process of creation! I think He probably means for us to feel the same way when we consider all that He has made!!! We should probably fulfill His hearts desire by DELIGHTING in HIM and the beauty that comes from His great heart of love!
This struck a chord with me Dee….one more comment…I probably should just sit a bit longer before I post but it seems the thoughts are coming in popcorn form! Ha!
It is interesting to know the emotional state of the artist as he or she creates (God’s verbal pronouncement was “Delight”)…this emotional state clearly comes through in the artwork. I hear this couple and the friends using their imaginative minds…descriptive terminology “this” or “that” was “like”…relative terms…palm trees, pomegranates, myrrh, doves eyes, etc…their imaginations were at work and it was delightful and this process is very tightly woven to the heart of God in the midst of creation! I just find this so interesting…
Rhonda, I loved what you shared about the meaning of Eden…and how Songs fully engages ALL of our senses, and that glimpse into God’s heart – that He was conveying the emotion of “DELIGHT” during Creation!
1. What stood out to you from the above and why?
This commentary sounds interesting. Thanks for giving the background of the author, and publisher above in the comments. I find the concept of “Eden restored” intriguing and hope-filled.
I agree that the concept of “Eden-restored” is hope-filled. It reminds me of N.T.Wright’s book “Surprised by Hope.” I don’t remember how much (or if) he wrote about Eden, but the phrase reminds me of that book.
I just want to say, I’m missing you, Chris. I am praying for you.
Me, too, Chris. Praying!
I agree Diane and Renee-WE MISS YOU CHRIS!! 🙂 Love you.
1. What stood out?This part because I haven’t thought at all about that yet, and I LOVE gardens.
In addition, I see this as a potential exciting source of encouragement heading into winter.
Also, I think I’ve started to move past panic into grieving the end of this study. This study changing me from the inside — and I want the inside changes to become so thorough that my “outside” is transformed. I know God is changing me, but I still feel a pull to become a hermit, especially as we approach winter.
Renee — no hermitting allowed! We’d miss you too much! We’ll come knocking on your door.
(Though now I am reminded of the Amazon critique that unglued me when she said I said that women who left my blog weren’t saved. 🙂 ) Not saying that — just that you are loved and wanted here!
Dee, I’m not planning on being a hermit from here 🙂 Thanks for your reassurance!
I should have clarified: Although this hasn’t always been true of me (I used to be more outgoing), I tend to be TOO content to not leave the house. An unexpected effect of this study has been that as I have soaked in God’s love for — and just started to grasp His delight in — me, I have been going out/ reaching out more. In general, I am becoming less distracted and automatically making healthier choices rather than attempting to force myself to do something because I should. And when I open myself to God’s love, He is reflected to others.
Withdrawing becomes self-perpetuating. Work forces me to get out, but I can do a lot of it from home. I’m thinking back to when I did “drop out” from this blog for about 6 months. I may have dropped out of everything else first. I hadn’t thought about that before, but I did get comments that other people were concerned. My complete hermitting comes on so gradually that I don’t see anything wrong. This is the first time in years that I’ve gone out frequently without a prior “have to keep” commitment or feeling strongly that I “should.” That pattern developed naturally because during my caregiving era, I couldn’t do much more. I’m finally seeing just how much I retreated from actually initiating connection with other people, especially face-to-face.
I am seeing so clearly that God’s love is pulling me out to be with others. As I am confident in His love, I WANT to go out. And I initiated an exercise commitment that will get me out of the house more than I can comprehend (though years ago, I USED to go out that much)!! I do see God’s Sovereignty, His timing, in this study and a few other situations. But I do feel shaky because the pull to withdraw still is very strong. While I am SO excited about where God is leading me, I also am tempted by “business as usual.”
Dee, this study at this time has been SUCH A HUGE GIFT to me; it seems as if I now am free to transition to another era of life. I’ve been speaking the truth to my soul with Phil 1:6 “being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” I don’t feel very confident UNTIL and UNLESS I gaze on His beauty. I am so thankful that He draws me to Himself; yet I am nervous because I haven’t developed a strong habit yet of gazing on His beauty. And I know He is calling me to something better than my so-called “comfort zone” (which isn’t that comfortable anymore).
Oh, goodness, re: the Amazon critique — probably good that I didn’t see it because I may have posted something I would have regretted later!
If I’m not on here the rest of this week, it’s because I will be out of state for a conference in a much warmer place 😉
Thanks for the clarification on your “hermitting”. I can understand the temptation and the importance in developing the strong habit of “gazing on His beauty”. I could easily be a hermit, but God often pushes me out toward others and I am grateful He does. Have a good time at your conference in “a much warmer place.” I would mind a warmer place right now myself. I haven’t acclimatized yet to the much “chillier” temperatures we are experiencing here in eastern Canada this November.
Renee — this is such a wonderful testimony on how confidence in God’s love changes us
Loved reading your post, Renee…I sort-of feel like I was just conversing with you (albeit you doing the talking:)) but love what you shared about yourself. Interesting thoughts on being a “hermit”. Maybe it is winter – I can get that way, too. After being a primarily stay-at-home mom for the past 22 years, sometimes I feel like the “world” has passed me by and though I work one day a week as a nurse, I often feel less socially adept than I once was, if that makes sense.
Renee, I use to call you my mystery woman! I’m so glad you are not dropping out and going out more and becoming stronger in the Lord!
I’m an introvert by nature…I need a little “hermitting” time occasionally to re-energize…maybe that is the case with some of you too? 🙂
Enjoy your conference, Renee, and the warmer temperatures too.
Dee, that comment on Amazon was inaccurate…false.
1. What stood out to you from the above and why?
I love that our God is one of restoration. That truth grabbed my heart as I read, and I looked up the word “restore” “a compound of re and the root of store, story, history…to return to a person, as a specific thing which he has lost,
He restores our brokenness. He restores what we have lost with Him. He makes all things new. He has promised to heal, to bring us back to the beauty He intended. That so humbles me–such undeserved transformation–yet so exciting, so freeing. So hope-infused.
Elizabeth, I so love how you express your heart..and how you brought out that God is a God of restoration..what blows me away is that He doesn’t ‘have’ to-he ‘wants’ to because restoration is Him bathing us with His love-and our undeserved transformation-blows me away..It is exciting! 🙂
1. What stood out to you from the above and why? The whole idea of the threefold rupture and restoration makes perfect sense (3 being the number of perfection). I have always felt that there was something in creation beyond just the beauty of it, such as the mountains and sunsets. There is perfection in all of it, consistent and measurable formulas that make up things from microscopic organisms to the galaxy. One example is spirals. They are found everywhere they follow a mathematical formula and are beautiful. So it just makes sense to me that restoring the relationship between humanity and nature is also a necessary part of the plan. I can’t wait to be friends with spiders.
Oh Dawn…that made me LOL! HA!
I’m sure there is a story behind that statement! I would be interested in hearing it.
What about ticks? 🙂
2. Read Genesis 3:16.
A.
I’ve always thought it interesting that Eve was first deceived and then coerced Adam to also sin. I have seen that same tendency in myself, though I praise Him that in the last several years, it has begun to wane. Still, I know I can talk my husband into ‘my way’—and that is not good. It uses my tendency to control against his tendency to want to please—and the result is neither of us honoring the Lord as Lord of our lives. I believe God’s design was that the man lead, and the woman follow. This was hard for me for many reasons—no model of a strong male, and since I had known the Lord longer, I think I wrongly believed I was better fit to lead in many areas. But the more I have begun to trust God with this area of my life, the more I have seen my husband’s confidence as leader grow—both as spiritual leader of our family and in decision making. In a mini-still-sin-infected version, I see how the Lord has begun to redeem this area of our marriage and it quiets me to see it.
B. Find a picture in The Song of Songs of this marred relationship restored — instead of using one another, they are adoring and serving one another. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
Song of Songs 7:10 “ I belong to my Beloved, and His desire is for me”. She has given herself to Him—not to use Him, or manipulate Him—she is under Him, belongs to Him. And here, His desire is for her—the reverse of what is said in Gen. 3:16.
Elizabeth — you probably have the Keller’s book on marriage. I thought Kathy Keller’s chapter on submission the best I’ve read. And the dance analogy so apt.
ooh–I do have it–started it, and put it aside–it was great, just other things took over…but I’m going to get it and read that chapter–sounds good!
I tried a few times earlier to post this and it wouldn’t let me–I’ll try once more without my favorite linky thing! We sang this at church today and it’s one of my favorites, but so fitting for us this week, I think: http://redmountainmusic.bandcamp.com/track/all-things-new
Thanks for sharing the song, it’s beautiful!! Im going to download it.
1. What stood out to you from the above and why?
This to me is the MOST important thing when it comes to God, its not about programs, the buildings etc…it truly is about relationship with God, personal relationship. This whole study keeps reminding me of this and has brought back my first love with God, and great joy. I can not even put into words..it’s given me a deeper love for others and my own husband. Im going to be sad when the study ends. I have talked about this study with others so much, that they too want to do this study. This study was the answer to my prayers!
This stood out to me, a lot of what she said wow’d me like you Dee…I do think the Song of Songs could possibly one of the oldest and dearest books in the bible, and yet the world has no clue how beautiful it truly is. It’s our love story and our love letter from the Lord himself, how he longs for us and loves us. Possibly this book could represent, like she said, before the fall, during the fall and after the fall…..that wow’d me.
Your enthusiasm is making me ask the Lord if I should continue The Song, but in a fresh way for newcomers, for Advent. Pray I will hear from Him!
That is a very intriguing idea, Dee, about connecting The Song in a fresh way for Advent. I will pray with you about that! I also want to convey my excitement about your mentioning that you are writing a book on SoS. Perhaps you mentioned this earlier and I missed it, but I think that is GREAT!
Dee, I know that whatever study you do God will use to produce fruit. May He give you guidance and discernment.
And thank you.
I will be praying the Lord leads you with the right decision. I just feel like I have just touched the surface, I could go so much deeper. I know many woman who would benefit from this study, if not, maybe God would lead you to do it again at a later time. Excited to read your book when you are finished on Song of Songs.
🙂 Praying, Dee!
And Joyce, I still may keep some element of mystery 😉
🙂
well said, Staci…”the Song of Songs could possibly one of the oldest and dearest books in the bible, and yet the world has no clue how beautiful it truly is. It’s our love story and our love letter from the Lord himself, how he longs for us and loves us.”
2. Read Genesis 3:16.
A. The word “desire” in this passage can be translated either sexual desire or the desire to be in control (see Genesis 4:7) I believe that it is the latter, since sexual desire is a good gift and was present before the fall. If, you interpret desire to be “rule over”, how does this verse describe the changed and marred relationship between husband and wife?
I think it is two-fold maybe. Prior to the Fall they both delighted in God and then in one another..They completely yielded to Him and His authority and yielded to one another-no hierarchy between the two. Now there is a chasm between them and God and therefore between them and one another. The order is all messed up now. She will struggle with control over her husband, and He will have authority over her now-but I believe He will struggle with what that looks like as we have seen throughout the centuries when women were so oppressed-and we see it even now in other oppressive countries-and can see it in some of the churches in our own country as well.
So true Rebecca — I often think of it as “the desire to dominate” — a control idol was one of the first to appear!
Dee, Oooh..yes..I didn’t think of that-a control idol being the first to appear but yes, it was..with satan’s temptation to Eve initially.
I just noticed in Gen 3:15-God told Adam He would put enmity between he and the woman..I wonder if the control idol thing is where the enmity between them lies?
God’s discipline was similar to what she wanted when she bit the fruit-control..’her desire will be for her husband’..so I think I now firmly believe that v.16 ‘desire’ does mean control.’
Also with Adam..weeds would now come up when he cultivated the ground and he would now have to toil over it..he would certainly struggle with control there-I don’t know, may be stretching..but I see how destructive control idols can be now.
2b. B. Find a picture in The Song of Songs of this marred relationship restored — instead of using one another, they are adoring and serving one another. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
SOS chapter 7. He goes into her garden..rather than hierarchy or harsh authority, I see the opposite-a loving servant leader. He adores her beauty and speaks of her mouth being like the best wine, then she responds to Her belonging to Him and His desire for her and describes it with having her wine go straight into Him going gently over his lips and teeth-they are One delighting in one another-no hierarchy of authority over one another-rather it is submissive servant-hood of one another.
The vineyard! 🙂 This really stuck out in 7. First of all, she invites Him to come with her to THE Vineyards and she refers to it in the earlier chapters as His vineyard and we see only Him there browsing, but I am thinking perhaps now since they are One they are both going to see if the blossoms have opened and the figs have bloomed together-so their relationship is restored completely-her desires and His both the same. Initially I saw Jesus and us in this-but I also see husband and wife here now. The Husband loves her so much He loves to see her fruit bloom spiritually and He is nurturing her in that-and she desires to take Him to see if the fruit is in bloom. There is a loving adoration of her from her husband and she responds to Him in like manner. It seems he submits to her and she submits to him.
2. Read Genesis 3:16
A. The word “desire” in this passage can be translated either sexual desire or the desire to be in control (see Genesis 4:7) I believe that it is the latter, since sexual desire is a good gift and was present before the fall. If, you interpret desire to be “rule over”, how does this verse describe the changed and marred relationship between husband and wife?
In Strong’s concordance, the word “desire” means “in the orig. sense of stretching out after; a longing – desire”. Genesis 3:16: “Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you”. I think the key is that “he will rule over you” is coupled with her desire. In Gen 4:7, God says to Cain that sin desires to have you – it’s the same word. So “desire” in both verses is a longing to overtake the other, to control. This shows the marred relationship between Adam and Eve because when God first created them, he told both of them to rule over His creation…they were equal, co-rulers. Adam wasn’t told to be the head over his wife at that point – but after they sinned, the pattern was set in motion that a wife would want to (sinfully) rule over her husband. Now, instead of cooperation, there is a vying for control.
Rebecca brought out in her post the abuse this has led to as women have been oppressed in the name of submission. Certainly this has also brought a nastiness into the marriage relationship – enmity between husband and wife who were supposed to be co-equal and perfect in unity.
I so agree with Rebecca and Susan above. I also want to clarify, and agree with Elizabeth, that God has ordained man to be the leader. Yet in our sinfulness, husbands often misuse that, instead of sacrificial Christ like leadership, they dominate to get their own way. And in our sinfulness, wives often manipulate or sneak about to get their own way.
oh yes, i agree..God has put the man in authority over his wife..i hope i didn’t mislead anyone. 🙂
3. Read Genesis 3:17-18 A. What happened to the land as a result of the fall?
The Garden God created in Genesis 2:8, was now cursed because of their sin; it was filled with thorns and thistles.
B. Find a picture in The Song of Songs of this effect of the fall reversed. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
These 2 passages from Song of Songs struck me because of the beauty depicted—but also the fellowship implied. They each call to one another—they want to share the beauty together. There is a desire that they mutually delight the other. The desire to control which brought destruction in Eden—is now absent. In its place is a desire to be united, to enjoy the beauty together. The “togetherness” got me.
Song of Songs 2:10-12 “Arise, my love, my beautiful one, and come away, for behold, the winter is past; the rain is over and gone. Flowers appear on the earth; the season of singing has come, the cooing of doves is heard in our land.”
Song of Songs 7:12 “let us go out early to the vineyards and see whether the vines have budded, whether the grape blossoms have opened and the pomegranates are in bloom.”
2. Read Genesis 3:16.
A. If you interpret desire to be “rule over”, how does this verse describe the marred relationship between husband and wife? Even though i never considered the original language here this seems obvious when you look at our world today. So many women manipulate and are cruel to their husbands, desiring to be in control. It is a passion of mine to help marriages by encouraging the wife in Biblical submission. The best study I have done in regards to this is The Excellent Wife by Martha Peace. This was the first study I did after my painful life-shattering event that the Lord used to begin to show me my sin and rebuild me 2 1/2 years ago. So much wisdom in that book about Biblical submission and a woman’s relationship with Christ. I digress.
I found this from Matthew Henry and I really like the picture that even though we are “being cursed” God gave us mercy even in His declared punishment. Also, the picture of repentance.
B. Find a picture in the Song of Songs of this marred relationship restored-instead of using one another, they are adoring and serving one another. Quote it and explain why you chose it. Chapter 7 is a dialogue between the bride and the bridegroom in which they tell each other how great the other is. The beloved telling his bride how beautiful she is and he will enjoy her! And the bride tells her beloved how great he is and that she shall give him her love. Then in verse 8:5 “Who is that coming up from the wilderness leaning on her beloved…” This is a picture to me of intimate relationship. I know it only says that she is leaning on him so this is not a literal example of mutual service and adoration, but I think it is strongly implied after their conversation in chapter 7. He is allowing her to lean on him because he loves her. Coming from the wilderness after speaking beauty to each other, though they are coming from the hard place there is no language of suffering here, it is all joy in an intimate relationship. My eyes are drawn first to the Christ application…but I remember now that we are speaking of husband and wife. This picture warms my heart, probably mostly because it reminds me of the early days of my relationship. We were friends first and foremost and then became husband and wife. Life and circumstances and pain has taken much of our tenderness … also perhaps because there is “no time” for it amidst the necessaries of life. However, as I picture this couple in Song of Songs I know ours is still there, and I still want it, I cherish it when it does happen, and I think that speaks volumes. I will make a point today to “have a moment” with my earthly beloved. I am struck by the thought that inasmuch that I must speak truth to my soul in regards to God’s love for me, so to I must speak truth to my marriage, for there is still much good in it despite all that has passed, and it is a gift and a blessing (as is my amazing husband) and I must not allow Satan to lie to it or attempt to steal its joy.
Jill — I have often thought that passage in Revelation about returning to first love, and remembering what we had at first applicable to not just our relationship with the Lord but in marriage — and you are doing that. May memories shared with him do some rekindling! Love having you here.
4. Read Genesis 3:23-24 A. What happened to the intimacy between man and God in the garden as a result of the fall?
I think at the root of woman’s desire to manipulate her husband, is fear. Does he really love her well? Can she trust him? After the Fall, where there had been trust, is now suspicion. In place of righteous, manly leadership, control. Selfless love replaced with manipulation. Honoring the other above oneself replaced with criticism, judgment. Assuming the best replaced with assuming the worst.
B. Find a picture, drawing from the relationship of the Shulamite maiden and the king, of a restored relationship that is like a restored relationship with God. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
Song of Songs 7:10 “I am my Beloved’s, and His desire is for me.” Her insecurity dissolves. Here, she is secure. She knows she is loved. She trusts that love. She lets herself be fully loved by Him and loves Him fully in return.
2. Read Genesis 3:16.
A. The word “desire” in this passage can be translated either sexual desire or the desire to be in control (see Genesis 4:7) I believe that it is the latter, since sexual desire is a good gift and was present before the fall. If, you interpret desire to be “rule over”, how does this verse describe the changed and marred relationship between husband and wife?
Wow, Im still soaking this in…Gen. 4:7 reads “… sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it.” This shows me there was no ‘rule over’ rule before ‘The Fall’…. to which now a person has to master or take charge to not fall even more so due to the sinful nature. Maybe God gave the husband charge of his wife after the fall since Eve was the one that was first deceived. We are taught our husbands are a protection, a covering over us, and our family and rightfully so in the context of God, marriage and family. I think with The Fall many things brought so much division that God did not intend for, one being the relationship between a husband and wife. Marriage represents, in a sense, our relationship with God; yet in todays society…marriages are so messed up, some not God led and some ending in divorce. Not what God intended at all. Some christians totally take the whole husband to be over their wives way out of context too, and sadly its not representing God’s love at all. In the beginning GOD ruled over everything with love, before The Fall. After The Fall, sin came in and totally skewed God’s true sense of love, marriage and relationship with God. People see God as a judgmental mean God, one who just punishes etc… But if we are to truly read Song of Songs for what its for, its such a love story of how much our God loves us. Something Im finding more and more to be true about God.
Ellen Davis thinks the “desire” is both, (control and sexual) which is interesting — but the sexual desire is not as intended, but used against a woman — as is seen in so many places where women are used. It’s interesting — not sure!
Yeah…I think through the years I have thought, not sure where it came from, but the ‘desire’ was sexual…and since doing this study…no so much? I can see the point though since sex is so skewed through the world and towards women…but I just cant see such a beautiful book such as Song of Songs in that context now?? Im not saying either way is wrong or right…just my humble opinion. OR maybe Im just not getting it??
3. Read Genesis 3:17-18
A. What happened to the land as a result of the fall?
It produced thorns and thistles and was hard to cultivate.
B. Find a picture in The Song of Songs of this effect of the fall reversed. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
Song of Songs 7: 12, 13-Let us go early to the vineyards to see if the vines have budded, if their blossoms have opened, and if the pomegranates are in bloom—there I will give you my love. The mandrakes send out their fragrance, and at our door is every delicacy, both new and old, that I have stored up for you, my beloved.
I chose this because there is such beauty and love here-no thorns and thistles-no ‘toiling by the sweat of his brow’ to produce it. I get this sense of ‘rest and enjoyment’. There is “every delicacy” and the fragrance is amazing.
Lovely, Rebecca.
3. Read Genesis 3:17-18.
A. What happened to the land as a result of the fall? “cursed is the ground because of you…thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you.”
B.Find a picture in The Song of Songs of this effect of the fall reversed. Quote it and explain why you chose it. 6:11 “I went down to the grove of nut trees to look at the new growth in the valley to see if the vines had budded or the pomegranates were in bloom” and 7:12 “Let us go early to the vineyards to see if the vines have budded, if their blossoms have opened” Both these imply growth will come, that the Land will produce fruit and beauty. There is no mention of toil to ensure the new growth, just checking to see if things are blooming yet, there is confidence that it will.
4. Read Genesis 3:23-24
A. What happened to the intimacy between man and God in the garden as a result of the fall?
This is my thought-probably off but here it is: Adam had something new in his life-“idolatry”, specifically control and he would now struggle trusting God and ultimately trusting God’s love for Him. God knew Adam was bound by it now and would try to maybe even reverse God’s curse, not trusting Him by eating from the tree of life (v.22)? so he banished them from the garden-and set up on the east side of the garden Cheribum and a flaming sword flashing back and forth guarding the tree of life so no one could get to the tree of life. This is a picture of a huge chasm in their relationship.
B. Find a picture, drawing from the relationship of the Shulammite maiden and the king, of a restored relationship that is like a restored relationship with God. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
Well it seems like most of 7 and 8 are she and He doing things together and thinking through things together so it was hard to pick! 🙂
Song of Songs 8: 6b-7a…She said: for love is as strong as death, its jealousy[a] unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. Many waters cannot quench love; rivers cannot sweep it away.
I chose this because I am SURE this isn’t just head knowledge-SHE KNOWS THIS in the sense of biblical ‘knowing’ Him (becoming one). This in the depths of her being because she has experienced His love and His pursuit of her going into the wilderness with her and bringing her out-OH it melted her and caused her to pursue Him wildly.
Song of Songs 8: 10.. I am a wall, and my breasts are like towers.Thus I have become in his eyes like one bringing contentment.
I see Him delighting in Her growth-and it is His fruit she is producing.
2B. Find a picture in The Song of Songs of this marred relationship restored – instead of using one another, they are adoring and serving one another. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
“Who is this coming up from the desert leaning on her lover?” (SOS 8:5) This verse gives me so many mental images…it could be leaning into him affectionately, whispering to one another, sharing secrets, or totally light-hearted. It could be her beautiful submission-willingly allowing him to lead and protect and guide her, allowing him to be a man in the full sense of how God created him to be. Coming up from the desert – their love has been tried and found to be true, committed. It pictures to me coming out from – and going into a new, restored place where they will now live.
It’s making me think of Sense and Sensibility…Marianne had treated the Colonel so casually…setting her affections on Willoughby. Willoughby once “rescued” her when she sprained her ankle, carrying her home. But in the end, he used and abused her. The Colonel also rescued her when she collapsed out in the storm, but his love for her was true, not marred by a love of money. It was wonderful to see how her whole attitude towards him changed.
I just rented Sense and Sensibility so love this, Susan. You would enjoy Jeram Barrs “Echoes of Eden” — has a chapter on Jane Austin.
That’s so cool, Dee…it’s another favorite of mine and my daughter’s that we like to watch together. (Pride and Prejudice still being number one:)) And that book sounds interesting, too!
. Read Song of Songs 7:11-12 and describe the images of the land restored. As you meditate on this passage, what else do you see?
There is fellowship, mutual enjoyment, shared beauty. The land is fruitful, nourished, without thistles, without drought. It is fertile, ripe. Fruit that begets fruit. The fields of the ground, vines growing upward, trees tall—all is covered with the growth of His creation. I see unending Life.
6. Read Song of Songs 8:5 and describe the image. What do you see that is relevant both to restoration in marriage and restoration between man and God?
This hadn’t struck me before—but when I look at that they ask “who is that…” there must have been a change about her. She was changed from her time away, from His bringing her out of the wilderness. She is leaning on Him, allowing Him to uphold her, be her strength, her leader. He had awakened her under the apple tree, which He is called in Song of Songs 2:3.
From Matthew Henry: “A soul convinced of sin, and truly humbled for it, is in a wilderness, quite at a loss; and there is no coming out of this wilderness but leaning on Christ as our beloved, by faith, and not leaning to our own understanding, nor trusting to any righteousness or strength of our own as sufficient for us, but going forth, and going on, in the strength of the Lord God, and making mention of his righteousness, even his only, who is the Lord our righteousness.”
7. Read Song of Songs 8:6-7. This is a famous passage, often used at weddings. How can you also see Christ and His Bride in it?
He has promised we ARE placed as a seal upon His heart. We are loved with a matchless love. Undying, unquenchable Love. And to know that I will one day love Him as fully, as perfectly, as He now loves me, brings me such JOY. I ache at how my love fails His. The enemy would like that my guilt consume me, but my Lord has erased the guilt. His graces covers and enrobes me.
I want to share this, from Spurgeon, on these verses: “Surely it is my Beloved’s love which is here spoken of-the love of Jesus, the matchless lover of souls. His love was indeed stronger than the most terrible death, for it endured the trial of the cross triumphantly. It was a lingering death, but love survived the torment; a shameful death, but love despised the shame; a penal death, but love bore our iniquities; a forsaken, lonely death, from which the eternal Father hid His face, but love endured the curse, and gloried over all. Never such love, never such death. It was a desperate duel, but love bore the palm. What then, my heart? Hast thou no emotions excited within thee at the contemplation of such heavenly affection? Yes, my Lord, I long, I pant to feel Thy love flaming like a furnace within me. Come Thou Thyself and excite the ardour of my spirit.”
I find the research into commentaries that you are doing really helpful, elizabeth. I was especially struck by Matthew Henry’s words.
Wow! That describes a bit where I feel I am at right now, “at a loss, and there is no coming out of this wilderness but leaning on Christ”. The verse that seems to have implanted itself as my theme verse for right now is Proverbs 3:5,6.
And this verse is also key.
This is what I want a “coming out of the wilderness leaning on his arm”, a new confidence because of his righteousness alone, no confidence of my worth and wanting all the focus to be on his righteousness only. I am still shaky and so aware of my weakness, but there is a healing taking place within. I feel a bit like someone who is recovering from a serious illness.
It reminds me of the words of the hymn “In Christ alone, my hope is found, he is my light, my strength my song … Here in the love of Christ I stand.”
Diane–the way you have paired Prov. 3:5-6 with this passage of Song of Songs 8:5 is so moving my heart. And your words here–“still shaky and so aware of my weakness, but there is a healing taking place within. I feel a bit like someone who is recovering from a serious illness.”–oh, I teared up reading that–how well it seems to describe your situation. You will be forever changed by this difficult trial, with scars I’m sure–you have been stripped bare. But in your bare state, you are clothed in His righteousness alone–and the healing taking place within that you speak of, it is the Beauty we see in you here, His light edging through the pain.
“there must have been a change about her….”
What a good observation and it gives me pause in order to ponder and appreciate.
3. Read Genesis 3:17-18.
A. What happened to the land as a result of the fall?
God cursed His creation because Adam listened to his wife and ate, breaking God’s commandment. Now there would be thistles and thorns growing among the good plants, and Adam would have to work hard to eat.
B. Find a picture in The Song of Songs of this effect of the fall reversed. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
Songs 2:10-13: “My lover spoke and said to me, Arise, my darling, my beautiful one, and come with me. See! The winter is past; the rains are over and gone.
Flowers appear on the earth; the season of singing has come, the cooing of doves is heard in our land. The fig tree forms its early fruit; the blossoming vines
spread their fragrance. Arise, come, my darling; my beautiful one, come with me.”
This is such a picture of the earth in it’s winter deadness coming alive again with sunshine, flowers, birds singing, fruit on the trees, fragrance in the air…a time of plenty. I think of heaven when I read this where I know there will be no more weeds, dust, violent storms, cloudy, rainy days, bugs spoiling the fruits and vegetables. It’s like the land is being set free.
Or spiders and ticks!
2. A. If, you interpret desire to be “rule over”, how does this verse describe the changed and marred relationship between husband and wife?
The relationship has gone from the ease of companionship to a power/control struggle.
B. Find a picture in The Song of Songs of this marred relationship restored — instead of using one another, they are adoring and serving one another. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
SoS 7:10, “I am my lover’s and He claims me as His own”
(SoS 5, v. 2 and 4, show her love and pursuit of Him, but then in v. 3, her priorities are askew, she doesn’t respond and actually ignores Him. When realization of her actions stir her, it is too late, the relationship has suffered a blow. SoS 5:10-16, 6:4-9 and 7:1-9 all speak of desire and qualities found especially desireable;) SoS 7:10 is the culmination of restoration…they are once again in relationship as relationship should be.
3. A. What happened to the land as a result of the fall?
The ground is cursed…it will not produce as it could, but will grow thorns and thistles.
B. Find a picture in The Song of Songs of this effect of the fall reversed. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
SoS 2:13, “The fig trees are forming young fruit, and the fragrant grapevines are blossoming”
Both the fig and grapevines are a promise of what is to come…
SoS 7:11-13, “…among the wildflowers…go to the vineyards to see if the grapevines have budded, if the blossoms have opened, and if the pomegranates have bloomed. There the mandrakes give off their fragrance, and the finest fruits…”
This talks of a wealth of growth; not only bodily, physical nourishment (i.e., finest fruit), but also nourishment of heart and soul through the senses (i.e., pleasant fragrances).
4. A. What happened to the intimacy between man and God in the garden as a result of the fall?
Intimacy between man and God in the garden was done…it would be no more. God banished Adam and Eve (i.e., man) from the garden and allowed no re-entry.
B. Find a picture, drawing from the relationship of the Shulammite maiden and the king, of a restored relationship that is like a restored relationship with God. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
SoS 8:7, “Many waters cannot quench love nor can rivers drown it. If a man tried to buy love with all his wealth, his offer would be utterly scorned.”
This verse talks of God’s enduring and faithful love, despite our faults and failings; a gift of grace that cannot be purchased or earned, but only received.
dee- i have been so touched,comforted, blessed and overwhelmed by the pure beauty of this SoS study and all the beautiful comments of others. i have gleaned so much when i am
able to tap in. i have no computer in my own place but go to the library (which makes a difference since i don’t have one readily at my fingertips). this blog has made such huge
difference in my life and in coming even closer in my love walk with the Lord. there’s a richness and depth to this blog. THANK-YOU to everyone and GOD BLESS!!
Jill — the fact that you go to the library to do this is impressive. It is such a joy to have you when you can be!
Good morning Jill, It is a pleasure to have you here when you are able to be here-and your post encouraged me so-that God is moving in your heart through Dee’s blog and the beautiful sisters here-and you are beautiful too, love your play-dough heart. 🙂
2. Read Genesis 3:16.
A. The word “desire” in this passage can be translated either sexual desire or the desire to be in control (see Genesis 4:7) I believe that it is the latter, since sexual desire is a good gift and was present before the fall. If, you interpret desire to be “rule over”, how does this verse describe the changed and marred relationship between husband and wife?
I suppose the husband is the man of the house and if the woman desired to “rule” over the husband then that would be opposite to what God intended for the man and woman’s relationship. The ideal relationship according to God would be for the woman to not control and the man to protect and keep the woman safe.
B. Find a picture in The Song of Songs of this marred relationship restored — instead of using one another, they are adoring and serving one another. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
If I had to choose a quote, it would be SoS 2:6 – “His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me. “(NIV) As I said above, if the mans position is to protect the woman, then this is what I think of as giving her protection; to hold her.
What a good choice of a verse Laura — no one else chose that and it’s perfect!
Yes Laura! Loved this choice of verse and yes, it is perfect!
Loved that too Laura.
3. Read Genesis 3:17-18
A. What happened to the land as a result of the fall?
It produced thorns and thistles.
B. Find a picture in The Song of Songs of this effect of the fall reversed. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
Probably SoS 3:6 – NIV “Who is this coming up from the wilderness like a column of smoke, perfumed with myrrh and incense made from all the spices of the merchant?”
I chose this because it happened right after she was frantically searching for the love whom she could be bothered with in several verses prior to this one. he forgives her and comes to wed her anyway!
Sorry I am so late getting started this week — no good excuse, just “life happening!”
1. What stood out to you from the above and why?
“In her introduction, Davis took my breath away with a perspective that makes so much sense and makes the whole Song fall together in a harmonious melody. Succinctly, she makes a strong case for The Song of Songs being a picture of Eden restored. She writes: “The Song is about repairing the damage done by the first disobedience in Eden, what Christian tradition calls “the Fall.”
I can’t wait to learn more about this perspective, because I feel it makes a lot of sense. I expect it to tie together some loose ends. Several times already in our study, I have wondered about a connection to Genesis. I am considering ordering Ellen Davis’ book. However, I guess I am going to distinguish myself here by expressing a different opinion: Although I have truly enjoyed this study on the Song of Songs — far more than I would have ever expected, and I too have felt changed by it — here’s where I depart: I will be contented to move on to whatever Dee chooses. I do not expect to grieve over the end of the study.
Side note: I think I am going to have to watch Anne’s video for about the fifth time. I just don’t seem to be able to make the quotations do correctly. I’m feeling a little like “slow learner!” 🙂
4. Read Genesis 3:23-24
A. What happened to the intimacy between man and God in the garden as a result of the fall?
Man was banished from the garden.
B. Find a picture, drawing from the relationship of the Shulammite maiden and the king, of a restored relationship that is like a restored relationship with God. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
Not sure about this??
Laura Dancer,
What might help is if you look at the places in SOS where their relationship was restored-there are many pictures or snap shots within their conversations. 🙂 although I know it is hard for left brains. 🙂
2. Read Genesis 3:16. If, you interpret desire to be “rule over”, how does this verse describe the changed and marred relationship between husband and wife?
Adam’s and Eve’s sin against God by their disobedience affected their relationship with one another. They were no longer as delightfully happy as they had been before this occurred. In fact, in verse 15, it reads “And I will put enmity between you and the woman….” They were supposed to be “fruitful and multiply,” but that now presents the woman with “pains in childbearing.” As far as man “ruling over” the woman, some women can accept that easier than others. Also I think couples today have more opportunity to discuss these feelings than couples had in the past when problems of intimacy were considered unspeakable. Thinking of my own marriage, I recall that I totally looked up to my husband when we were first married — he was 40 and I was 24 –I considered him to be much wiser (and it was true!) Now that we are in our old age, my husband (87) frequently defers to me: I am the only driver, he prefers that I make business calls (his hearing on the phone is sometimes a problem), etc. It all developed rather gradually, although five years ago he had a significant illness, surgery that went wrong, and a rehab period; and all of that made a big difference. We neither one made any big “power play,” but as we moved through various phases of our lives, whoever was most capable at the time just seemed naturally to lead.
4. Read Genesis 3:23-24.
A. What happened to the intimacy between man and God in the garden as a result of the fall? God used to walk with man in the garden and now man is banished from His presence. A chasm was created that could not be spanned. And the beauty of intimacy was blocked.
B. Find a picture, drawing form the relationship with the Shulammite maiden and the king, of a restored relationship that is like a restored relationship with God. Quote it and explain why you chose it. SoS 6:3-4 “She: I am my beloved’s and my beloved is mine; he browses among the lilies. He: You are as beautiful as Tirzah, my darling, as lovely as Jerusalem…” As Nancy Leigh DeMoss pointed out this is the first time he spoke to her after her reluctancy and difficulty searching for him in the city. She had lost his intimacy by being reluctant and then searched and suffered. Then she speaks beauty to her soul with his truth and finds him immediately and then he speaks….and his love is the same that it was in the beginning, it has not wavered. Though the intimacy was lost the love remained and always will. This is the gospel. “Then sings my soul, my Savior God to thee, how great Thou art, how great Thou art.” It wells up within me. “My soul wells up with Hallelujah.”
Here is a question: Was Eve ever told by God to not eat the fruit? Is this a picture of our response to prophets and scripture? In Gen 3:17 God tells Adam to not eat of the Tree of Life, but Eve was not yet created? So when Adam passed the news to Eve was there a small seed of disbelief and that is why Satan preyed on her rather than Adam, the original recipient of guidance? Or is it simply implied that God would have talked to her about it, too? Gen 2:27-30 he is speaking to “mankind” so perhaps Eve was there for the conversation about the Tree of Life, but her name is not mentioned specifically in the Gen 3 conversation.
This is a good question, Jill…I did a little searching online through commentaries. This is what I found – I will summarize: Adam was commanded directly by God to not eat of the fruit. Adam would have communicated this command to Eve – so while not directly from God to her, it still was authoritative. Therefore, Eve was said to be deceived by the serpent, but Adam, when he ate, sinned knowingly and willfully – he could not claim being deceived. Interesting…had Satan gone first to Adam, would Adam have disobeyed God’s command?
Susan, thank you. My thoughts were along the same lines. If Eve didnt hear directly from God she would have been more suseptible to attack of deception or distorted truth.
4. Read Genesis 3:23-24
A. What happened to the intimacy between man and God in the garden as a result of the fall?
It was gone. Adam and Eve were banished from the garden. No re-entry possible. They were helpless to restore what was lost.
B. Find a picture, drawing from the relationship of the Shulammite maiden and the king, of a restored relationship that is like a restored relationship with God. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
From Song of Songs 2:3-6: “Like an apple tree among the trees of the forest is my lover…I delight to sit in his shade…He has taken me to the banquet hall, and his banner over me is love…His left arm is under my head and his right arm embraces me.”
Jesus told a lot of parables with the metaphor of a great banquet being given to describe heaven. Being taken to the banquet hall makes me think of finally – no separation between Jesus and me, and his banner over me being love shows that I am welcome at His table – it’s like an umbrella of protection. (Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus) Sitting in the shade of His protection and love, being embraced all picture intimacy restored.
loved this, Susan “Sitting in the shade of His protection and love, being embraced all picture intimacy restored.”
2B. Find a picture in The Song of Songs of this marred relationship restored — instead of using one another, they are adoring and serving one another. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
This description of love in SOS 8:6 is probably the greatest testimony concerning true love that is unselfish and non-manipulative. Love is as strong as death. It cannot be killed by time or disaster, and it cannot be bought for any price because it is freely given. Death is the greatest test of love; and if love is stronger than death, it must be the real thing and not something masquerading as love.
3. Read Genesis 3:17-18
A. What happened to the land as a result of the fall?
The ground is cursed, and it produces thorns and thistles. It presents a picture of infertility and inability to produce well.
B. Find a picture in The Song of Songs of this effect of the fall reversed. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
Mandrakes were a somewhat rare plant often thought to increase fertility (Life Application Study Bible). The description in these two verses are of all of nature being “in bloom,” which paints a picture of fertility — the bloom is just ahead of the fruit. It is a far cry from “thorns and thistles!”
4. Read Genesis 3:23-24
A. What happened to the intimacy between man and God in the garden as a result of the fall?
Man was forced to leave the Garden of Eden where man and God had an intimate relationship, and a barrier of a cherubim with flaming sword was placed, so that man could not come back the same way he left. It was going to take a long, long time — until the Savior came to restore the relationship between God and man.
B. Find a picture, drawing from the relationship of the Shulammite maiden and the king, of a restored relationship that is like a restored relationship with God. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
She unselfishly wishes the best for her lover — what could be better than wine flowing gently straight to him. They belong to one another once more. Now they feel free and are like “buddies,” going to the countryside and spending the night in the villages. The relationship is not only restored but has matured. They are thoroughly enjoying one another.
Just got my power back after being without electricity for almost 4 days. I’ve got a lot of catching up to do.
Were you in the tornato area Dawn?
Good Morning Sisters!
I’ve been reading your good observations and loving them. I know several of you expressed interesting in getting Ellen Davis commentary and I think it is wonderful. I don’t always agree with her, but overall, I love it. She is an egalitarian, as some of my dearest sisters are (like the co-hosts Melinda and Anita at Moody) and I am not — but I do glean good things from that point of view too, though I don’t think man’s leadership was a result of the fall. And she has quite an unusual perspective on the closing of The Song of Songs — so if you do get it, and read that far, feel free to come on the blog and share your thoughts, whatever we are doing!
I did order it, so I will be curious to read it and see her perspective. Although Im not sure what an egalitarian is, I will have to google that. 😉
Basically is that rather than having the man be the head, they both lead together. I absolutely know there are abuses, and if headship is a continual issue, something is very wrong. I always loved what Luci Shaw said, “Harold is the head of our home, but in twenty-five years of marriage, it’s only come up twice.” But still, there are those times when you cannot agree. Sacrificial leadership is rare, but I do believe God calls husbands to lead that way — and it is like a dance, and in dance, someone has to lead.
Thanks Dee, I did google it…basically like you said, equal all around….I think yes but at the same time, I am thankful for the passage where God says the husband is a covering, a protection over his wife, leader and head of his family…NOT a dictator…like some men mistaken and abuse. I know at times God has used my husband, who in my sense is less spiritual or ‘in tune’ with God than I am,..but God USES my husband and sometimes I need to listen to my husband…because usually its for my protection or God trying to get through to me using my husband….lol. So not to sure how I feel on the equality issue when it comes to this…I think respect, love etc…goes without saying in equality…but some things I think God really does need the husband to be the leader in a family, and its NOT always ‘equal’ in a sense. If that makes any sense?
5. Read Song of Songs 7:11-12 and describe the images of the land restores. As you meditate on this passage, what else do you see?
The fruit might be budding and might be beginning to blossom-she wants Him to go with her to see if it is. I think this is in reference to the fruit of the spirit, but at the same time I see her Love for Him is blossoming as well.
6. Read Song of Songs 8:5 and describe the image. What do you see that is relevant both to restoration in marriage and restoration between man and God?
She is leaning on Him coming out of the wilderness-Loving Him, willingly vulnerable and trusting Him-completely. Restoration is usually restoring something-making something once ugly beautiful and I think His Love turned the complacency in her passion for Him totally around. He is delighting in her and she has embraced Him and is delighting in Him.
3. Read Genesis 3:17-18
A. What happened to the land as a result of the fall?
The ground was cursed, and caused Adam to toil just to be able to eat all the days of his life. Something we see going on even today, seems people work, work, work to get food and provide etc.. A lot of hard times as verse 18 states “It will produce thorns and thistles…” to me this symbolizes us living in a fallen world…even though we have God and His mercy…we will endure hard times through a fallen sinful world “until the day we return to the earth” (die)
B. Find a picture in The Song of Songs of this effect of the fall reversed. Quote it and explain why you chose it.
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Song of Songs 1:8-11:
If you do not know, most beautiful of women,(A) follow the tracks of the sheepand graze your young goats by the tents of the shepherds.
9 I liken you, my darling, to a mare among Pharaoh’s chariot horses.(B)
Your cheeks(C) are beautiful with earrings, your neck with strings of jewels.(D)
We will make you earrings of gold,
studded with silver.
I chose this passage because it is right after she called herself dark, because she was darkened by the sun(her own sins possibly, the weight of the cruel world), she was neglected. I saw myself in this passages, coming from a rough, beaten past and yet God calls me lovely, beautiful and leads me to greener pastures…this probably is one of my favorite versus in the book of Song of Songs. I just sit in awe over the love expressed here from God.
5. Read the Song of Songs 7:11-12 and describe the images of the land restored. As you meditate on this passage, what else do you see? Down here in the deep south we have Resurrection Ferns. They are barely visible when it is dry but when it rains they turn everything green as they grow on all parts of a tree, it seems as though they take over the scene so much so that the brown in the landscape is almost gone. This is what I think of when I read Song of Songs 7:11-12. The land was dry, barren, but the promise was always there and when it “rained” (became restored) everything is now turning green and come alive. There is peace in this. In that restoration she will give him her love. And they spend time there “let us spend the night in the village” they are relishing in each other and in the land, they stay awhile to appreciate the beauty and examine the blossoms. I am curious why it says “let us go early”.
6. Read Song of Songs 8:5 and describe the image. What do you see that is relevant both to restoration of marriage and restoration between man and God? The bride and her beloved are leaning on each other which signifies intimacy and relationship. R.C. Sproul says this public display of affection is significant because it indicates they are officially married, not having to conceal their relationship anymore. They are coming from a wilderness together which signifies that they are walking together in difficult times. I liked the earlier comment by Elizabeth that if they were asking “who is this” then there was a change that occurred in her as a result of her relationship with her beloved. The passage specifically states she is leaning on him which, while there is definitely a mutual intimacy, it speaks of him being the stronger one. All these apply to restoration in both marriage and relationship with God. Intimacy, public declaration, walking through difficulty together, mutual affection, him being stronger/leader, change from encounters in the relationship. It is interesting that the passage does not identify the emotions of the couple (though maybe the original text does?), but I imagine them smiling. Then in the last part of the passage they are reminiscing together of the good things happened in their relationship.
Good application, jillwithaj, on this passage. i like the Resurrection Fern application. I do not live in the south and had never heard of them. Are they considered an “invasive” species, just curious?
I also found the Sproul comments on public displays of affection interesting. Different countries have different traditions and views on PDAs. When we lived in Kenya, we were not allowed to even hold hands in public, but it was perfectly alright for friends of the same sex to hold hands. Interesting!
Diane, I am new to the south (not even two years yet) but i have not heard of them referred to as invasive or bothersome. in fact, in my limited experience, folks in Savannah consider them a part of the city’s beauty. Just part of the abundant foilage!
Those Resurrection ferns sound really cool, jillwithaj. I’d love to see them. I’ve never been to Georgia. I live in eastern Canada.