WHO IS THIS SHEPHERD KING?
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WHO IS THIS WHO LEADS HIS BRIDE THROUGH THE WILDERNESS?
WHO IS THIS WHO IS THE FAIREST OF TEN THOUSAND?
WHO IS THIS WHO IS BETTER THAN ANY OTHER?
WHO IS THIS WHO ASKS YOU TO COME AWAY?
This week we will continue our journey by listening to Mike Reeves lead a small group, using the Socratic style of questioning, through an overview of The Song of Songs, asking the questions: Who is he? and Who is she? For indeed, if this is just a lovely Jewish couple, then this is a book that is primarily about the beauty of marital love.
But if, indeed, this is The Lord of Glory, The Lord strong and mighty, then this is no ordinary love song. Mike Reeves, drawing upon the Puritan Richard Sibbes, gives us parallel passages that I believe are so convincing that indeed: This is the Lord. And if this is the Lord, then she is the Bride of Christ, for Jesus had no other bride.
Sunday/Monday
1. What stood out to you from the above and why?
Several of you gave me a link to Scotty Smith’s daily prayer last week. Here is an excerpt followed by the link. When you link to his prayers, scroll down to August 12th.
Indeed, Jesus, you are, ultimately, the great lover of whom this book speaks—the quintessential spouse, the archetypal husband. In our best relational moments, our love for one another is a mere hint and whisper of the way you love us. We are the “beloved” of whom this book speaks—the bride upon whom you have set your endless affections, and for whom you’ve given your very life. No one can fill the vacuum in our hearts, but you.
This isn’t the gospel I grew up with, but this it’s the gospel you announce to our unprepared, unsuspecting, undeserving hearts. To be desired of you, Lord Jesus, is to taste how much you want, pursue, enjoy, see, accept, know, nourish and cherish us. Even as I pray these words, a part of me reacts with the pushback of an unbelieving heart, too-easily-satisfied heart. Free me, Lord, free me.
http://thegospelcoalition.org/
2. Scotty Smith says “this isn’t the gospel I grew up with…” Comment.
MONDAY-WEDNESDAY BIBLE STUDY: WHO IS HE?
Our own Elizabeth found this excellent article contrasting the view of Mark Driscoll and Mike Reeves. Please read it and comment:
http://thebluefish.org/2008/
3. What points stand out to you in the article? Why?
When you read the passages from The Song of Songs, read them aloud. This is poetry, and the sounds are meant to be savored. If you heart is cold, sing or listen to psalms, hymns, or spiritual songs to warm it up.
4. Read aloud Song of Songs 1:1-4
5. Whose love is better than wine? Whose name is better than all names? Who draws us that we might come after him?
6. Read aloud Song of Songs 1:5-8
The first of the Vineyard imagery is introduced. You will see this again. Read Isaiah 5:1-7 and explain what the vineyard represents in that passage.
7. What else do you learn about him from Song of Songs 1:7-8?
8. Who is the ultimate Shepherd/king?
9. Read aloud Song of Songs 3:6-11 and write down whatever you see about the groom, King Solomon. Do you see a parallel with Jesus?
10. What images of the Exodus do you see in verse 6?
11. Read aloud Psalm 45:1-17. What parallels do you see to the wedding scene in The Song of Songs.
12. What description of the bride is given in Song of Songs 8:5?
13. Why do you think God’s Bride failed to understand that caused them to spend 40 years in the wilderness? Is there an application to you? (Compare Jeremiah 2:1-6)
14. Is God moving in your heart through The Song of Songs? If so, how?
Thursday/Friday: Listening to Mike Reeves (1st 35 minutes) Attention: download first or it will keep repeating.
Mike Reeves is in a small group, so in order to hear, you will need to sit down and listen and take notes. Sometimes the members of the small group speak, and they are hard to hear. But I do believe you will be richly blessed if you take the time to listen — I have not found anything this excellent. Listen to the first 35 minutes — up to when he stops asking “Who is he?” and starts asking “Who is she?) (We will listen to the last twenty minutes next week.)Mike Reeves – Sibbes – The Love of Christ 1.
Here is the link: Link
15. Take notes and share here. If you share all your notes, you might bold or underline your highlights. I suggest doing it in a word document first.
Saturday:
16. What is your take-a-way and why?
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14. Is God moving in your heart through The Song of Songs? If so, how?
I have been awfully distracted but yes. I see more of Who He is. The King all glorious and pavilioned in splendor (does anyone know what hymn that is?). He is Lord of the host of heaven, the vast host of fearsome warriors of heaven. He rides on the chariot of the wind. He wraps Himself in light and darkness tries to hide. All of Him in the last chapters of Job. In all if eternity we will never plumb the depths of His glory!
He is all of that-and my Shepherd who loves and cares for His dumb sheep. I think herding sheep is a most humbling way of life. Sheep are defenseless, smelly and dumb. Shepherds are out all night in the cold and in the heat of day. Blistered by the sun, sleeping outdoors. Without him the sheep would die.
The God of the universe shepherding me. Incredible!
And I have to pray that I will allow Him to shepherd me. Stupendous stupidity!
This is an amazing paradox. I pray that i will be able to see the beauty He sees in me. All I can see now is my sheepishness.
This made me think of God’s own fool by Michael Card, maybe because he uses the word paradox. The line in the song says the power of paradox opens our eyes. My eyes are opening and the thought of Jesus on the cross for me is touching me like never before.
I think the hymn you are referring to is “O Worship the King”, Anne. It is a beautiful hymn and a perfect song for this study – it refers to chariots and thunderclouds as well, just as it does in Song of Solomon.
O Worship the King
1 O worship the King All glorious above!
Oh gratefully sing His power and His love!
Our shield and Defender, The Ancient of Days,
Pavilioned in splendour, And girded with praise
2 O, tell of His might Oh, sing of His grace!
Whose robe is the light, Whose canopy space;
His chariots of wrath form The deep thunderclouds
And dark is His path On the wings of the storm
3 The earth with its store Of wonders untold
Almighty! Thy power Hath founded of old:
Hath stablished it fast By a changeless decree;
And round it hath cast Like a mantle, the sea
4 Thy bountiful care What tongue can recite?
It breathes in the air, It shines in the light;
It streams from the hills, It descends to the plain,
And sweetly distills in The dew and the rain
5 Frail children of dust And feeble as frail
In Thee do we Trust Nor find Thee to fail:
Thy mercies how tender, How firm to the end!
Our Maker, Defender, Redeemer and Friend
6 O measureless Might Ineffable Love
While angels delight To hymn Thee above,
The humbler creation, Though feeble their lays,
With true adoration Shall sing to Thy praise
Sir Robert Grant
http://www.tanbible.com/tol_sng/sng_oworshiptheking.htm
Oh my! Yes it is. Even though I remembered so little of it, the study brought it to mind. Thank you Diane.
Good to see a hymn I grew up with. I don’t think vs 3 and 6 made it to the hymnal though.
this is beautiful, Anne “Without him the sheep would die”
All so rich, Anne “He wraps Himself in light and darkness tries to hide.” and this too–“I have to pray that I will allow Him to shepherd me. Stupendous stupidity!”–yes, ME TOO!!
3. What points stand out to you in the article? Why?
What grabbed me was when he said this “I just wonder if we can be stronger on the Christological focus on this greatest of all songs – and suggest that this might have even more to show us of the gospel – and it’s Creation implications for us.” I so agree with that statement. I don’t know how the gospel can be displayed more profoundly—than in His relationship, His pursuit, His redeeming love, of His children.
I also, honestly appreciated the way he started the article by acknowledging Driscoll’s “good” qualities (my brain is fried and I can’t think of a better way to put that!) I am refraining from my personal feeling about Driscoll, because I don’t know him, and it serve no purpose here to vent my opinion!—but what I have read, does not appeal to me. However, I appreciate that as from one brother to another, the author was gracious and made a point to stress the ways God has used Driscoll’s ministry for His glory.
I agree with loving the author’s graciousness.
3. What points stand out to you in the article? Why?
“The bride, however, recognises her own intrinsic undesirability. Her skin is sun-damaged and she has rather let herself go in her experiences of life. Kedar was a people beyond the borders of Israel. Perhaps by comparing herself to them she feels like she doesn’t belong in this relationship, that she doesn’t deserve it (vv. 5-6). Nevertheless she is confident of her own standing before her beloved, that she is ‘lovely’, and so she diverts attention away from her appearance.”
This stood out to me.I think as women we are quick to always judge the outer appearance of people(especially other women), initially. For example, we might notice how well put together one woman may seem, well poised, good manners, nice clothes, well groomed…etc…but if we could see the inside of the woman, we might see a broken heart, spirit, neglected or even abused/mistreated. God has always been after our heart, nothing more and nothing less. When the heart is well and full…everything else seems to fall to the way side so to speak…
Thus the second part of the paragraph goes along with this “The church knows itself to be intrinsically undesirable – sullied, scarred, decaying and far from God because of sin – and yet in Christ’s eyes she is lovely, and so can be confident, as is the bride in the Song, to come into the presence of her beloved. He is the one whom her soul loves (’You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might’)”
We, as part of the church have at one point been “sullied, scarred and decaying”, yes in Jesus eyes, He saw something beautiful in us. Even in our sin, He loved us and gave his all for us, His life. So with that I especially like Ezekiel 34:11-24 as mentioned in the article. God searches us out and seeks us because of His great love for us. God sent the best He had, His son, to seek us out, to become our Prince…now that is a ‘Happily Ever After Story…”
5. Whose love is better than wine? Whose name is better than all names? Who draws us that we might come after him? I so enjoyed reading this out loud, it did make a difference, it become more personal and real to my heart.
God’s love is more delightful than wine.
God’s name is better than all names ( like a perfume poured out. vs.3)
God draws us to his chambers(his dwelling and protection over us) ( CHAMBERS to me is almost like the chambers of a heart~God’s LOVE AND THE HEART OF GOD)6. Read aloud Song of Songs 1:5-8
The first of the Vineyard imagery is introduced. You will see this again. Read Isaiah 5:1-7 and explain what the vineyard represents in that passage.
7. What else do you learn about him from Song of Songs 1:7-8?
I admit, these passages confused me a bit. I dont really have an answer, I do like Nanci’s answer though. Her definition on sheep pasturing and God sending Christian friends to come along beside us to help guide us.
8. Who is the ultimate Shepherd/king? Jesus, our King!
9. Read aloud Song of Songs 3:6-11 and write down whatever you see about the groom, King Solomon. Do you see a parallel with Jesus?
-This reminds me of Matthew 6:33 But seek first his kingdom(A) and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.
-I love Song of Songs 3 passage…its so beautiful vs 2~ I will search for the one my heart loves. For some reason vs 3 of the ‘watchmen’ stood out…”the watchmen found me as they made their rounds in the city. Have you seen the one my heart loves?” 4 Scarcely had I passed them when I found the one my heart loves. I held him and would not let him go till I had brought him to my mothers house.
-To me even the watchmen ( who watch at all times,it’s their job) didnt even find God, but the beloved did when she searched and seeked God with all her heart (matt. 6:33). This just struck me as so powerful, to seek God with our whole heart, to never give up, His love runs deeper for us than we can imagine.
Your whole post is great but particularly loved the thought about the watchmen not finding, but she sought with her whole heart.
Happy, Happy Birthday Dee!!! :))))) We are so grateful for you. God has moved through you so mightily in mentoring us here on the blog. I know personally He has rescued me through your Bible Studies-and even more has blessed me with your sweet friendship! You are a diamond brightly shining-and your sweet spirit oozes His fragrance so Dee. I love you!
Happy birthday, Dee…hoping you enjoy a lovely day…many blessings to you!
Happy Birthday, Dee!! I hope you have a wonderful day in whatever way you choose to celebrate…thank you for leading us, mentoring us, and sharing yourself with us…you bless and enrich our lives! WE love you, Dee!
Happy Birthday to YOU, Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday dear Dee~ Happy Birthday to you!! (way better than hearing me actually sing it to you 🙂
OH Dee, what a GIFT you are to so so many and I am so humbled the Lord has brought you into my life. Praying your day is filled with joy. Much love to you always~
“I thank God whom I serve, as did my ancestors, with a clear conscience, as I remember you constantly in my prayers night and day.” 2 Timothy 1:3
Ladies, am driving to PA this morning – son Ryan driving his car and my husband and I are following in our car – time to go back to college…would appreciate prayers for safe travel!
Praying, Susan. Have a safe and enjoyable trip, though I know the day is bittersweet with your son returning to college.
praying for safe travel and a sweet goodbye–so hard I know! I cried yesterday at 1st grade drop off…I’ve got a long way to go 😉
Blessings Elizabeth…I know this is so hard. Traveling mercys too
Blessings Elizabeth…I know this is so hard. Traveling mercys too.
Elizabeth, I remember first grade, too:)…it was hard not having my “lunch buddies” home with me anymore – each went to half-day kindergarten so it didn’t seem so bad when they were home just in time for lunch! But that all-day transition…I remember when Melanie went to first grade and now I was truly home alone all day and one particular day I looked out the window and saw a young mom with her child in a stroller out walking and I cried:)
Hugs to you…
Safe travels Susan! Thinking of you and praying for you 🙂
Happy birthday, Dee! May God bless you today! Thank you for mentoring me here. This site has been a God-send for me during the last couple of years – a solid rock in the midst of a hurricane because your foundation is deeply buried in the True Rock who is God.
Yes! Happy Happy Birthday to our dearest Dee!
I hope this year brings tremendous blessings to you!
11. Read aloud Psalm 45:1-17. What parallels do you see to the wedding scene in The Song of Songs.
Still not sure I understand where the wedding scene is in SOS, but when I read chapter 3-4 and compare it to psalm 45 I see a warrior with a sword, lots of myrrh here, and jewels/gold. Psalm 45 speaks of daughters, but not necessarily of Zion. There is also a throne in each scripture. In both writings she is lovely or beautiful.
13. Why do you think God’s Bride failed to understand that caused them to spend 40 years in the wilderness? Is there an application to you? (Compare Jeremiah 2:1-6)
They lost their “virgin” love (ok now I’m talking like Solomon!), you know, the love that is so special and new when you first are married, but then it somehow stales a bit. They fell in love with worldly things, food, wealth, each other; they fell to their idols.
Absolutely there’s an application to me! I’m a slave to my job, house, and body (exercise and food). I love my children so much that it gets in the way of the love for my husband. I can go on and on.
14. Is God moving in your heart through The Song of Songs? If so, how?
Well, I’m not sure yet because I’m not sure I’m understanding it. I am letting it soak in a bit.
5. Whose love is better than wine? Whose name is better than all names? Who draws us that we might come after him?
The Lord’s love is better than wine, His anointing oils are fragrant…my son was reciting psalm 23 to me last night—this reminds me of vs. 5 says “You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil; my cup overflows.” Matthew Henry says “ Wine makes glad the heart, revives the drooping spirits, and exhilarates them, but gracious souls take more pleasure in loving Christ and being beloved of him… Christ’s love is in itself, and in the account of all the saints, more valuable and desirable than the best entertainments this world can give.”
He draws us to Him—He is the initiator, we love because He first loved us.
And I love vs 3 “your name is oil poured out;’. Our Lord, Jesus Christ—His Name means Savior—His blood poured out for us.
Thank you all for your birthday wishes. I’m so blessed by each of you. Loving doing Song of Songs with you.
I’m blessed to be at the cabin with my daughter Sally who is spoiling me. Thankful for so much — all because of Him.
Hope you have a restful day today Dee 🙂 that’s what I like to do on my birthday…..read a good book, take a hot bath, or eat a delicious meal. Spoil yourself! Thanks for being here for us and Happy Birthday!
Happy, happy, happy birthday, Dee! SO THANKFUL for you!
Happy birthday, Dee!
So I really want to be part of this study but so far been prevented!!! Praying I can jump back in soon! Crazy life. 🙂
Wanted to just pop in to say the study went really well at our church, Idol Lies. The young ones did great and I am hoping they are grasping the gospel a little more fully. The women really enjoyed it and in fact a few of the groups desire to continue meeting. So I am very happy about this. They are seeing some freedom take place in their lives and really desiring to follow Christ alone! love to see that. And this is good too since over summer months attrition sets in and we lose many but though many were on vaca and the like they continued on. So thankful! Praying for great relationships and more freedom in Christ. Though it is already ours but to press into it!
Love you all so! Praying for you! Hugs!
His,
Angela
Good that you popped in, Angela, to report on how well your church’s studies on Idol Lies have gone. Your welcome back any time. This Song of Solomon study is a good one, penetrates how we really understand of God’s love for us.
This is such an exciting report, Angela. Thank you!
Unfortunately I am finding myself swamped this week — mostly swamped by life’s events, but a little swamped with figuring out the answers to all of these questions! Will attempt to play catch-up!
5. Whose love is better than wine? Whose name is better than all names? Who draws us that we might come after him? In each case, “the King/Jesus.”
7. What else do you learn about him from Song of Songs 1:7-8? That He is a shepherd and takes good care of his flocks.
8. Who is the ultimate Shepherd/king? Jesus Christ
9. Read aloud Song of Songs 3:6-11 and write down whatever you see about the groom, King Solomon.
He is perfumed with myrrh and incense
He has equipment for battle and support of hosts with swords.
He had made his carriage of wood from Lebanon (just like Solomon used in the temple)
He has been crowned, wears purple.
Do you see a parallel with Jesus?
It is a bit of a struggle, but I see a little: myrrh and frankincense were gifts to Jesus by the Magi, also used at His burial in the tomb. At the trial period Jesus was taunted by clothing him in purple and putting a crown of thorns on his head.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DEE!!!!!Have a wonderful relaxing day with loved ones and know how much you are loved here!! You are such a gift to me!!!
10. What images of the Exodus do you see in verse 6? “Coming up from the desert” — it was the desert that the Hebrews were wandering around in for 40 years. “Column of smoke” — they were guided by a “pillar of cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night.”
11. Read aloud Psalm 45:1-17. What parallels do you see to the wedding scene in The Song of Songs.
I do see some parallels here: He is clothed in majesty and rides in majesty. He has a sword and arrows. His robes are fragrant with myrrh and aloes and cassia.
12. What description of the bride is given in Song of Songs 8:5? “Coming up from the desert, leaning on her lover.”
13. Why do you think God’s Bride failed to understand that caused them to spend 40 years in the wilderness? Is there an application to you? (Compare Jeremiah 2:1-6)
I’m assuming the first word of the question was supposed to be “what” instead of “why.”
The Hebrew people wandering in the wilderness couldn’t remember to “lean on the Lord.” They would for a little while, but then they would slip off the edge and try to control everything themselves, which never worked well. They would gather more than a days worth of manna, strike the rock to get water when they were not supposed to do so, and even formed their jewelry into a golden calf to worship.
Of course, there is an application for me — I forget to “lean on the Lord” in a similar but not identical manner. I plan and scheme and spin my wheels, and the real solutions do not come until I finally stop and ask “Lord, what am I supposed to do?”
oh Deanna, sounds familiar (I do the same) “I plan and scheme and spin my wheels,” 😉 Thank you for your honest heart–praying we learn to lean on Him more and more!
Sorry I am so slow to catch on, Dee! A very Happy Birthday to you!!
Hope you get to take a little break and enjoy it with your family.
9. Read aloud Song of Songs 3:6-11 and write down whatever you see about the groom, King Solomon.
*His comings and goings were noticed by those around him.
*To be in his presence was viewed pleasant.
*He was protected by the best, most skilled soldiers…they surrounded him to defend should an attack erupt.
*His transport was luxury at its finest.
*He is royalty.
*His “most joyous” day was that of his wedding.
Do you see a parallel with Jesus?
*The crowds knew of Jesus’ comings and goings; they followed Him continuously.
*People were drawn to Him and desired to be in His presence.
*An army of God’s angels would serve as His protection/security, should He call upon them.
*Jesus is the highest of royalty…”King of kings”…the Most High’s Son…Son of God.
*every knee will bow and tongue confess that Jesus is Lord…this will be the day that Jesus will take believers home (second coming)…a “joyous” day when He is fully united with His people and evil is vanquished.
10. What images of the Exodus do you see in verse 6?
“wilderness” and “cloud of smoke”
Happy Birthday Dee, sorry I was slow to post this. You are truly a blessing and Godsent. I never thout I could love the book of Song of Songs, until your study…I think I always put doing the study off as well. But God knew, this was the right time and you were the right person to lead, for such a time as this! Many blessings to you!
NOTES ON MIKE REEVES (Referring to Richard Sibbes) on Song of Songs
(I COULD NOT MANAGE TO UNDERLINE OR HIGHLIGHT, SO I HAVE RESORTED TO CAPITALIZING WHAT I THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT. I DID A WORD DOCUMENT FIRST WITH UNDERLINING, AND WHEN I COPIED AND PASTED INTO MY BLOG RESPONSE, THE UNDERLINING ALL DISAPPEARED) .
Began by asking what is the Song of Songs about primarily – Christ and the church or human romance?
The dominant thinking among theologians today is that it is about human romance and marriage.
Until 1800 it was the text most frequently preached about.
All other Scripture is about God’s relationship to His people.
REEVES SAYS HE BELIEVES RICHARD SIBBES IS RIGHT THAT THE SONG OF SONGS IS PRIMARILY ABOUT CHRIST AND THE CHURCH. HUMAN ROMANCE IS A SHADOW.
IT IS NOT AN ALLEGORY (WHERE ONE THING CORRESPONDS DIRECTLY TO ANOTHER). SONG OF SONGS CAN BE WRONGLY ALLEGORIZED.
HE ASKS WHAT MIGHT THE TEXT ITSELF SAY ABOUT HOW IT SHOULD BE READ? STARTING FIRST WITH SOLOMON’S STYLE OF WRITING. LOOKING AT OTHER THINGS SOLOMON WROTE (ECCLESIASTES, PROVERBS, OTHER SONGS). HE TENDED TO WRITE THINGS THAT WERE IN ENCRYPTION OF SORTS. Women were on Solomon’s mind. He had lots of wives and a harem. He was wise, but his wives lead his heart aside. He was interested in creation and looked for spiritual lessons to be learned. He built the temple – used cherubim and palm trees – clearly things are being alluded to.
HE QUOTED JONATHON EDWARDS WHO SAID BECAUSE IT WAS CALLED THE SONG OF SONGS THAT CONFIRMS IT IS MORE THAN AN ORDINARY LOVE SONG. HE SAYS THE SONG OF SONGS IS LIKE THE HOLY OF HOLIES OF SCRIPTURE. IT IS POETRY AND IS NOT MEANT TO CONVEY LOGICAL ARGUMENTS.
It is a book of contemplation and of joining into the enjoyment of it.
Let us not misconceive: Christ feeds his own not among thorns and weeds, but among lilies.
IN THE HEBREW LANGUAGE THERE ARE MASCULINE AND FEMININE SUFFIXES FOR WORDS, SO IT WAS MORE OBVIOUS WHO IS SPEAKING. DOES SONG OF SONGS TELL A SEQUENTIAL STORY? THERE IS SOME MOVEMENT, BUT CANNOT BE READ TIGHTLY.
Who is He? (Based on SOS 3:6-11)
King – like David but he was the son of David
Shepherd King leading his people.
He was extravagant (Gold, frankincense, & myrrh)
He was ready for battle. There were swords. However, swords are sometimes seen at weddings.
Gold and purple – also important in Temple.
Made carriage from cedars of Lebanon (just like the Temple) The Lord rides in the carriage.
The Lord is in His Temple – 60 posts around the temple.
Great notes!
Such good notes, Deanna–so helpful, thank you for posting!
Oh Dee, Happy Birthday! I agree with all that has been said. They all said it so well. There isn’t another person I can compare you to who has had a greater positive impact on my life. God has woven in many other people and experiences but you have been the faithful thread holding it all together. THANK YOU!
I can’t get the Reeves teaching to play right now. I’m not sure I like apple products. A lot of things don’t work on them.
So I am thinking and praying. Rebecca said something about seeing the Trinity in 1:1-4. I have had my focus mostly on Jesus and a little on the Father but when she said that it stood out to me. I have been praying a lot lately and I have a friend who prays with me on the phone. Her prayers ring with power and I noticed yesterday how she prays to the Spirit. She calls Him by name and talks to Him.
Today was a very difficult day at work and I have had much trouble with focus and just feeling knotted. So I tried talking the the Spirit. Inviting Him in and calling on Him to work in my people and situations. This made a huge difference for me today.
Remembering the images from the Song of Songs, the King and His beloved embracing and dancing. I could never see myself there but I think that what makes me beautiful is the Holy Spirit in me. I am invited, carried in to their dance because of the gospel cleansing me and then the Spirit indwelling me. I love thinking about this.
Anne — you need to download it before it works right. I have an Apple and it works — I hope you can get it for you will love it. So glad inviting His Spirit helped your knots.
Dee I tried to download but it went straight to streaming and repeating every time
Anne, did you try the ‘download’ button at the bottom? I hope you are able to figure it out so you can listen.
The first of the Vineyard imagery is introduced. You will see this again. Read Isaiah 5:1-7 and explain what the vineyard represents in that passage.
The vineyard is the house of Israel. God’s chosen nation was to bear fruit—but the fruit it bore was bad.
7. What else do you learn about him from Song of Songs 1:7-8?
I don’t know—but this is what I’m seeing tonight–He loves those who the world finds un-loveable-? She feels ugly, blemished, unworthy. She has cared for others vineyards, at the expense of her own care—yet she feels accepted and loved by Him. Am I making this into something totally off?!
8. Who is the ultimate Shepherd/king?
Our Lord!
Dee I just wanted to wish you a Happy Birthday…although I assume by the time you read this, it will be a belated Happy Birthday. I am so grateful that the Lord led me to this study, you are a wonderful leader of this group and I have been truly blessed by all of your studies. Thank you.
1. Read aloud Psalm 45:1-17. What parallels do you see to the wedding scene in The Song of Songs. Its like a beautiful description of the prepping of a wedding day.
(vs. 7) ” You love righteousness and hate wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy.” To me this represents the true beauty, inward beauty. God seeks this kind of beauty, one that comes from the heart, not outwardly beauty. This seems almost romantic to me, how God adores the heart of a righteous person.
(vs. 8) goes onto say how the robes are even fragrant and pleasing. “Kings daughters are among your honored women”( in theory~possible bridesmaids). (vs.11) “The king is enthralled by your beauty” (vs.12) ” the Daughter of Tyre will come with a gift, men of wealth will seek your favor”~I just love how its the inner beauty we are talking about, not the outer and people are just in awe of the inner beauty(righteousness). To me its just another “Aha!” moment and so beautiful. The rest of the Psalm reads like a beautiful wedding taking place.
12. What description of the bride is given in Song of Songs 8:5? ‘leaning on her lover’, this represents leaning on Jesus, and ‘under the apple tree I roused you’~ Jesus awakened love within us.
13. Why do you think God’s Bride failed to understand that caused them to spend 40 years in the wilderness? Is there an application to you? (Compare Jeremiah 2:1-6)
I like verse 2 “I remember the devotion of your youth, how as a bride you loved me and followed me through the desert, through a land not sown.” So much trust and love, like being lead blindfolded, but with excitement by the Lord.
In turn verse 3 “Israel was holy to the Lord, the firstfruits of his harvest”~ Israel was the Lord’s best,#1 in His heart, His firstfruits, His first love. This represents what we are to the Lord and what He should be to us, our firstfruits everyday, our #1 in our hearts.
Instead Israel lost sight of God, their first love, and began chasing after idols of the world. VS. 5 “They strayed so far from me? They followed worthless idols and became worthless themselves.” Many people today have gone through wilderness times and still continue to follow the worlds idols. IN reality, it truly is God’s love we are all searching for, the one and only true thing that will satisfy us all. His love.
14. Is God moving in your heart through The Song of Songs? If so, how?
YES! I am surprised in how I view the Song of Songs now. I use to be intimidated by this particular book;not understanding the poetic side of it.Also always having been taught its only about love/marriage between a husband and wife. Plus the tainted imagery the world throws at us all about sex hasnt helped. Song of Songs has truly lifted a veil off of my spiritual eyes and made me see God’s love in a whole new light in the most amazing way. I cant even put it into words, except Lovely …
This is so encouraging, Staci.
this is all so good, Staci –“Many people today have gone through wilderness times and still continue to follow the worlds idols. IN reality, it truly is God’s love we are all searching for, the one and only true thing that will satisfy us all. His love.”
Love your excitement and your deep heart–you truly shine of His love and I am thankful you are here with us.
11. Read aloud Psalm 45:1-17. What parallels do you see to the wedding scene in The Song of Songs.
I had some direct parallels but then accidentally closed the website so I lost about 40 minutes of time. 🙁
So, I will try to condense which might be a good thing! 🙂
First parallel:
-Psalm 45 and Song of Songs 3 parallel Him being clothed with Myrrh and incense: “All your robes are fragrant with myrrh and aloes and cassia; from palaces adorned with ivory”-Psalm 45…”Who is this coming up from the wilderness like a column of smoke, perfumed with myrrh and incense made from all the spices of the merchant?”-Song of Songs 3
Second parallel:
-Look! It is Solomon’s carriage, escorted by sixty warriors, the noblest of Israel, all of them wearing the sword,
all experienced in battle, each with his sword at his side, prepared for the terrors of the night.-Song of Songs 3
-In your majesty ride forth victoriously in the cause of truth, humility and justice; let your right hand achieve awesome deeds. Let your sharp arrows pierce the hearts of the king’s enemies; let the nations fall beneath your feet. Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. You love righteousness and hate wickedness;-Psalm 45
There are more parallels-but I have run out of time..I see so many parallels-like in Song of Songs chapter 4-to Him saying her love is better than wine and over and over references to incense and Myrrh..Myrrh represents death..and it was also used to make perfumes, incense..
Also, I am starting to see something though..not sure.. I am starting to see both Jesus and the bride-as one..for she is married to Him and He covers her-so any beauty she has comes from Him.
love this Rebecca–” He covers her-so any beauty she has comes from Him.”
12. What description of the bride is given in Song of Songs 8:5?
She is coming up out of the wilderness leaning on Jesus..
13. Why do you think God’s Bride failed to understand that caused them to spend 40 years in the wilderness? Is there an application to you? (Compare Jeremiah 2:1-6)
They didn’t LOVE Him and trust (follow) Him in the wilderness time-instead they gave themselves to and loved Idols.
14. Is God moving in your heart through The Song of Songs? If so, how?
Oh yes. I do find I can be tempted to run to my control idol as of late and I have stumbled in that. To be reminded of His love-His care, and His provision is like a balm to me. To hold His Loveliness above anything that can happen here and to rest in His carriage-inlaid with love knowing that I am His covered in His blood-that He has clothed me, I can trust Him and love Him in this wilderness as of late.
Thank you all for your birthday wishes. Yesterday was my best birthday since Steve became ill. I was blessed by my children, sisters, friends, and you! And kisses from the King. Thank you so for your love and encouragement and prayers.
This makes me glad 🙂
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🙂 me too!
9. Read aloud Song of Songs 3:6-11 and write down whatever you see about the groom, King Solomon.
3:6 What is that coming up from the wilderness
like columns of smoke,
perfumed with myrrh and frankincense,
with all the fragrant powders of a merchant?
Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, but the smoke imagery also reminds me of Isaiah 6:1-5 (see below). The smoke is connected with the holiness of the Lord here and in several other places in Scripture. Isaiah’s reaction to his vision is a devastating awareness of his depravity. This connects to the Shulamite’s awareness of being “dark” (which implies sinfulness) in Song of Solomon 1 verses 5 and 6. One of my reactions to the King’s splendor here is an acute awareness of my unworthiness.
Isaiah 6:1-5 (ESV)
Isaiah’s Vision of the Lord
6 In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple. 2 Above him stood the seraphim. Each had six wings: with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. 3 And one called to another and said:
“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of hosts;
the whole earth is full of his glory!”
4 And the foundations of the thresholds shook at the voice of him who called, and the house was filled with smoke. 5 And I said: “Woe is me! For I am lost; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; for my eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts!”
Diane this is good. I kept thinking of exodus but not Isaiah.
9. Read aloud Song of Songs 3:6-11 and write down whatever you see about the groom, King Solomon. Do you see a parallel with Jesus?
There is SO much here. I am not going to get to it all. I started and then realized every line has such meaning!
v. 6 “Who is this…?” SO many references here, but I think of Psalm 24, Matt. 21– The King of glory, mighty to save. He protects us in battle. also–“perfumed with myrrh and frankincense”—reference to the crucifixion. Wood from Lebanon—strongest of all wood—covered in the royal color of purple for He is the King;
I think my favorite verse in this passage is this “ the day of His wedding, the day His heart rejoiced”. Wow. The day for HIM, is my coming to Him on that final day—I am overwhelmed that I mean that much to Him—His heart will rejoice.
10. What images of the Exodus do you see in verse 6?
The King of glory, emerges from the wilderness, coming to save His people.
11. Read aloud Psalm 45:1-17. What parallels do you see to the wedding scene in The Song of Songs.
They are both love songs.
In both, the Lover is a King, the beloved, a daughter.
In both the bridegroom delights in the beauty of the bride.
The bridegroom is fragrant. Both are dressed in beautiful, rich clothing.
The bridegrooms lips are desirable, anointed with grace.
The bride is accompanied by virgin friends.
12. What description of the bride is given in Song of Songs 8:5?
She is coming up from the desert—dry land usually devoid of life, vegetation, water…and she is leaning on Him—He has brought her out.
Love all of this Elizabeth! So many wonderful things to think about. Like Rebecca I think of Hosea 2:14. He will lead us into the wilderness where He will speak tenderly to us. These are the kisses of His mouth, His words to us. Then here she (we) comes up from the wilderness leaning on our Beloved. This picture is beautiful to me.
15. Take notes and share here.
SOS was taught as a relationship between Christ and the church up until the 1800’s.
The most preached on book up until that time; when it became more of a book on human romance then it wasn’t as preached on.
It is part of scripture. Primarily, most books are books about God and the church.
He believes it IS about Christ and the church. The relationship between Christ and the church comes BEFORE marriage. Human marriages are a secondary, or a copy of the real marriage.
Can be wrongly allegorized. Does the text suggest we should read it allegorically? He writes cryptically (Solomon). He wrote Proverbs. He writes in riddles.
Women are always on his mind; wives. He is interested in creation; there is a spiritual lesson to be learned from material things. The temple; a whole “bag-load” of illusions! Things are being eluded to; cherubim, palm trees, etc.
Jonathon Edwards – the name Solomon calls this song is the divine song; the most excellent of all the songs. Marriage is a shadow of the true love.
It’s poetic, not logic; drawing you in to sample the love. It is a book of contemplation.
“Christ feeds his love amongst lilies.”
Allegory – one thing corresponds to another. Illusions may mean many different things.
Chapter 1 – Who is “He” and who is “she?” It is sensual, “blushed intimated.” Not used to reading such rich text. It helps to read more of scripture like this. Where it says “he,” “she,” “others,” is just trying to get the gender right in English. He is the Shepherd-King. He is Davidic, but not David. He is the son of David. He is getting married, he is extravagant, kingly, frankincense and myrrh are mentioned (not usual for a men’s cologne) frankincense doesn’t have a smell until it is burned; is this the only other place in the bible? The smoke pillar; also mentioned in chapter 8; like the exodus. Always ready for battle. Traditionally, swords are associated with weddings. Gold and purple; the temple….with the f & myrrh, all about the temple. The carriage is made the carriage from the wood of (cedar) Lebonon. Cedar is the “rolls-royce” of pine, can’t rot, resinous, smells good. Solomon is doubling David! This is all about Christ.
Laura, thanks so much for your notes. They are very helpful to me.
great notes Laura-dancer!
Quick comment on reading SoS ch 1. Impressed by holism in descriptions of love, involving all the senses. He love me totally, and His love draws me to respond with my WHOLE being.
I like that too Renee–good insight
Dee have you read Reeves book on the Trinity?
I haven’t — I just noticed it. I may. Let me know if you do! He’s so good.
11. Psalm 45:1-17. What parallels do you see to the wedding scene in The Song of Songs.
Bride and groom are delighted with each other…an appreciation of beauty is expressed…royalty…joyous occasions.
12. What description of the bride is given in Song of Songs 8:5?
She is dependent upon her groom…He brings her in from the wilderness.
13. Why do you think God’s Bride failed to understand that caused them to spend 40 years in the wilderness?
I think that there was a genuine, sincere, “in your bones” trust lacking in the Lord…they forgot all that the Lord had done for them in the exodus from Egypt and looked only to what their human capabilies. This perspective allowed for fear to take hold and subsequent disobedience. I think that this is also what Jeremiah 2:1-6 references…human capabilities being idols…dependence upon self rather than God.
Is there an application to you? (Compare Jeremiah 2:1-6)
Indeed…when I ponder the past, I can see God’s loving and patient hand guiding, protecting, and providing, yet how easily I forget the Lord’s provision when faced with present troubles and challenges. Rather than trusting in and leaning on the Lord, I look to “self” and what “I” can do. It is only when I come to the end of myself that I again realize that I should have turned to the Lord first and foremost, trusting wholeheartedly in His providence.
Nanci, this applies in my life, too. Why don’t I think to run to Him first.
http://youtu.be/kmISCVDtow8 A song by Switchfoot…All Your Love Is A Song I keep hearing songs from God, its beautiful how God has been speaking to me through this bible study, so much I can hardly contain myself. I love those times when you draw near to God and He speaks to your heart. God Bless
this made me smile with you Staci “I love those times when you draw near to God and He speaks to your heart.”–thanking Him for that sweet time
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5. Whose love is better than wine? Whose name is better than all names? Who draws us that we might come after him?
The King of Kings – Jesus – in my bible they cross referenced it with Ps 45 vs 15
We enter the palace of the King
6. Read aloud Song of Songs 1:5-8
The first of the Vineyard imagery is introduced. You will see this again. Read Isaiah 5:1-7 and explain what the vineyard represents in that passage.
The vineyard of the Lord Almighty.
This morning when doing my devotions the word Almighty came to mind
The cross reference for this passage (vs 7) is Ps. 80 vs 8 where the word Almighty is used again.
I am going to look up the word and see what it means.
I believe Father God is trying to tell me something.
7. What else do you learn about him from Song of Songs 1:7-8?
I don’t know
8. Who is the ultimate Shepherd/king?
Jesus
9. Read aloud Song of Songs 3:6-11 and write down whatever you see about the groom, King Solomon. Do you see a parallel with Jesus?
It must have been quite a sight to see Solomon coming out of the desert like that.
He was clothed in majesty. His carriage was incredible. Anything that was majestic was included. The purple cloth. The posts made of silver. The base of gold.
I like the last line where it sates “the day his heart rejoiced”
10. What images of the Exodus do you see in verse 6?
the column of smoke
God led the Israelites with clouds by day.
I sense the excitement in vs 7 where it states
Look!
what a sight, what a day of excitement and rejoicing it must have been.
11. Read aloud Psalm 45:1-17. What parallels do you see to the wedding scene in The Song of Songs.
The anointing of the oil of joy.
The fragrance in the robes.
The fragrance of myrhh and aloes.
12. What description of the bride is given in Song of Songs 8:5?
The bride is leaning on her lover
She is coming out of the desert with her bridegroom.
13. Why do you think God’s Bride failed to understand that caused them to spend 40 years in the wilderness? Is there an application to you? (Compare Jeremiah 2:1-6)
They strayed to worthless idols and became worthless themselves.
They did not ask… (vs 6 of Jer)
It is so like our Lord God Almighty to take the guilt, the punishment for our sins and not blame us.
U have not b/c u ask not.
No blame or condemnation just ask
Trust and obey.
God is so good.
14. Is God moving in your heart through The Song of Songs? If so, how?
I still am going to look up the word Almighty b/c it keeps leaping out at me.
15. Take notes and share here. If you share all your notes, you might bold or underline your highlights. I suggest doing it in a word document first
Wow!Wow! WoW! Thank u Dee for this bible study. Like I have stated before I have never really ever thought or read abt. the Song of Solomon. I like the fact that it is a symbol of the bride of Christ and Christ himself. Yet layers upon layers of other scripture. Building us up to something.
I find it interesting tht. Genesis ( Adam going into a deep sleep; Jonah; Abraham; Christ Jesus side being pierced.)
First of all I am amazed at the love of God. I have stated before that I was startled by God’s love and I was. I took it for granted b/c I did not understand. Now I want to understand. I want to sit at His table and eat.
Remember in scripture where Jesus said:
This is my body -broken for you- eat of me
This is my blood -drink of me-
Holy communion until the Lord returns.
It makes me weep now and now I understand “dimly” but face to face I will understand completely.
God desires ‘intimacy’ and tht word still scares me a bit.
But
I am willing to sit and eat of the Lord, by the Lord, at His table, at His request.
I am rejoicing yet I find it interesting that until the 1800’s this was about Christ and His return
And
Then we changed it to only mean “love” or sex or something really skewed.
Now we r rediscovering it’s true meaning.
I like that.
The song is very intimate and sensual yet pure all at once.
I am truly beginning to get the layers of meaning and I am rejoicing in tht fact.
It is almost like I want to “treasure” my time with the Lord. Not give anything away easily or share with people who do not understand.
It truly is an intimate song!
For me wht leapt out is something I never considered before.
The sword. I brushed over the “mighty men” but I always talk about David’s mighty men.
The mighty men are 60 -double David’s mighty men-
David was a man of war
Solomon a man of peace
David wanted to build the temple.
Solomon built the temple.
When they shared tht the bridegroom takes the bride with his left hand to keep his right hand free, in case he needs to grab the sword to protect his bride.
I thought of protection. God protects me. The Lord God Almighty is all powerful.
I thank u for all of your protection in my life when I needed it most.
God is so good:)
So much more to unpack for me.
It is a busy week as Chuck is playing in the senior games.
So far his team has one tie and two wins.
I am proud of him.
He is also on holidays until the 16th of Sept
but
I want to do this bible study so I might be late entering but I am determined to follow along.
I am journaling and I am writing.
but
Mostly I am sitting with my mouth open, rejoicing, dumbfounded or “gob smacked” as some English folks would say.
Thank u again
Dee
Wht a day of rejoicing that will be
Whn we all see Jesus and shout the “shout of victory”
I am not going to lie
The word “intimacy” still scares me a bit
but
I am trusting Jesus
Blessings to all
Mellany
13. Why do you think God’s Bride failed to understand that caused them to spend 40 years in the wilderness? Is there an application to you? (Compare Jeremiah 2:1-6)
They forgot their First Love. They forgot what He had done for them and turned to other gods.
Application for me—oh, how easily I forget all He has done, all He has promised. I may not say I have forgotten—but my response, my anxiousness, my overwhelmed-ness, my futile attempts to control my world—all these actions scream that I have forgotten the ways of my Lord. The One who has never, ever failed me. I do think of Dee’s teaching us to remember His faithfulness in the past, speak truth to my soul. That applies every day.
Our sermon last week was on “Dealing With Difficult Emotions in the life of a Christian. Our pastor quoted from Lloyd-Jones’ Spiritual Depression—who said “Have you realized that most of your unhappiness in life is due to the fact that you are listening to yourself instead of talking to yourself?”. A great reminder to me that I must daily, hourly, and more—speak the Word to my thoughts and attitude—for I am prone to forget my First Love. “Prone to wander, Lord, I feel it, Prone to leave the God I love; Here’s my heart, O take and seal it, Seal it for Thy courts above.”
Love that quote by Lloyd-Jones, Elizabeth. Thanks for the reminder. It always reminds me of Psalm 42.
5 Why are you cast down, O my soul,
and why are you in turmoil within me?
Hope in God; for I shall again praise him,
my salvation 6 and my God.
So good Elizabeth. I think they also forgot how He loved them.
WOW — SO MANY WONDERFUL OBSERVATIONS ON THE SONG OF SONGS. YOU BLESS ME, JUST READING THEM.
I may have listened to more than we were suppose to, sorry I got lost in the program, it was a bit hard to hear at times, but I truly enjoyed it. I want to listen to it again. So much depth and wisdom in the message.
Some key notes I liked:
-Song of Songs 1:13 My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh resting between my breasts.
I liked Mike Reeves take on this, it represents salvation. It effects our hearts. Salvation changes our hearts, we fall in love with Jesus. Salvation is NOT rules to live a Holy life, so to speak. Salvation is a verb, an act of love, it creates in us righteousness….
-The messages before the 1800s were always about God’s glory; experiencing his love. Now the messages today “have fallen to the mechanics of getting saved, ‘abstract salvation’,” rather than getting people to know Jesus, his love and his grace for our lives. His love is what sustains us, not rules and regulations. People become constrained in their hearts, and when God tries to extend grace, people can not receive it, because they have not truly experienced His love first…something that really touched my heart. “To be prepared to suffer like Christ, first we must feast with Him”, to experience his true love. This was an aha moment for me. How do we get through hard times,by knowing their is hope and love in Jesus, no matter how far we think we have fallen.2 Corin.12:9 “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.
-So how will people know to turn to God if they have not experienced His love first, if alls they are beaten down with from day one is rules? For God so loved the world, He sent his only begotten Son…. God did this for us before we even realized we needed Jesus, an act of love. God took action, love is an action found in Jesus.
There was more I wrote down in my notes, but I want to go back and listen to the message again.
Staci — you heard things I didn’t, so your notes really bless me.
Dee~ well I think I got more into it than we were suppose to, and for years I have sat in church always hearing God say to my heart, I AM all about love. I always felt God telling me this as I sat by watching certain things in church and dumbfounded how sometimes ‘the good intentions’ of Christians totally contradicted His love? I would hear God tell me over and over, all they need is MY love…and now Im beginning to see what God meant..this bible study is truly an answer to so many questions and prayers of mine!
Staci, Thanks for taking the time to share your insight and promptings of the Holy Spirit.
14. Is God moving in your heart through The Song of Songs? If so, how?
I’ve had a lot of obstacles in the way of getting to the study, and at first—when I did—I couldn’t seem to get “into” it (I will say I’m a little more like Laura-dancer regarding poetry!) But now I see why the road seemed blocked—I think the enemy knew this was going to be powerful for me! First I have to admit a not-so-great-quality about me is that once I see things one way, it’s very difficult for me to see the other side, and I just want to convince others of my way 😉 I do realize there are way-more-scholarly than me highly educated theologians who see this as primarily about marriage—but I just don’t see how. For some reason, that whole thought has been perplexing to me. I rabbit trailed a bit and spent a LOT of time reading the different views. Edwards has much on the topic that was so rich, also James Durham—wasn’t familiar with him, but found a great commentary of his on S of S. I just keep thinking, why are we so uncomfortable with this book? Is it with the idea of God saying these words about us? Is it the culture’s influence on sex? I do believe that’s a lot of it. I think the world’s obsession with sensationalism leads some pastors (or one I can think of) to almost use the book to create drama—draw attention. But I also think we are insecure about seeing His love this deeply for us. And that’s when I go back to—it is only uncomfortable if we think the focus is on us. On Tullian’s blog a few days ago, he said “Your identity is firmly anchored in Jesus’ accomplishment, not yours; his strength, not yours; his performance, not yours; his victory, not yours.” So it really is all about Him—that’s how He can see us as so desirable—He sees His reflection. I’m still pondering all this, but I also wonder if we want to make it primarily about human marriage because we are innately self-centered, and naturally we see things as…”all about me”. Anyway, sorry if that’s all a rabbit-trail—the point is that I am seeing this as His love song to me, His bride. And I want to rest in that reality.
Elizabeth, This is a huge awakening! Resting in the reality that this is His love song to you..It is about Him, not us-SO good..That has been a beautiful refrain of yours as of late which is so indicative that He is so moving in you-and of how He has matured you! (By the way, to encourage you-I really am starting to think that ‘maturity’ is someone who is broken and sees it, yet presses into Him-and it could be a smart theologian as well, but you my dear are like this. I have to add that you are doing GREAT via this post sifting through it and your questions are well thought out-so poo poo on the scholarly thing-God has given you credentials!:)) )
I so agree that we are innately self centered-I being the Queen! I think that is my block with feeling like He will shun me when I wander-and I decide to take control and build a wall-I do this because it becomes about me..(I did this growing up when my parents got divorced so it is a natural bend with me.) So that is why at first it was hard for me to see this as a love song to me, His bride. Also, all the teaching on the Song of Songs I have had in the past has been primarily a book about Marriage..so for me it has been since I came here that I explored the other side and OH..I am starting to think this book is central to all of Scripture!
I so love where you are at-desiring to take your eyes off of yourself and learn to rest in the reality that this is His love song to you-His bride..That is where I desire to be too..so thank you for encouraging me.
Elizabeth,Love your post, and I didnt think you were rabbit-trailing, not sure what that is? lol. You are right, I think as humans and Christians we are uncomfortable because the focus is wrong. Probably due to the worlds influence and ideas on love/sex. I totally agree with you on that. I also think the church has taken some of the worlds views/ideas…and wrongly so too. I love this book and before this bible study, I was not to thrilled or overjoyed about the book. Probably because I was always taught its about marital love…I agree too, our identity is anchored in Jesus and HIS strength,love, victory…I recently heard a message on this. The bible has never been about ‘us’ or what God can do for ‘us’…it truly is His love story to us. Thanks for your wonderful post!
I think you have hit it, Elizabeth. Our fundamental self-centeredness. And making SO much of sex — like the Lewis quote, a child happy with mudpies and refusing to go to the ocean…not that sex is mudpies, but it isn’t the ultimate — it is a foreshadowing. Keller says this is why you don’t have to be married even though sex is so great — something much better is coming.
Awesome Elizabeth
15. Take notes and share here. If you share all your notes, you might bold or underline your highlights. I suggest doing it in a word document first.
Wow, this is so good!
A lot stood out-but I will just post the highlights:
A. Sibbs: “Therefore let us not misconceive of religion as a mopish and dull thing whereas we must lose all comfort Christ feeds not his own among thorns and briars and stinking weeds, he feeds his beloved among lillies’.. “ Song of songs is playing musically a message of the relationship between Christ and his church.
I love that about Him..His love..He feeds us among Lillies-not among thorns and stinking weeds-He wants us to enjoy our relationship with Him..Wow..
Song of Songs isn’t an allegory it is an allusion..Ex: Christ feeds us among lilies-not literally but it is referring to the sweetness..it is getting us to enjoy our relationship with Christ.
B. Song of Songs chapter 3:6-11
“This is definitely Tabernacly”..I loved that. I saw that in the passage as well when I read “wood from Lebanon” so this encouraged me even more.
I also LOVED that they brought out that this is the Shepherd King-Davidic, and Solomon wasn’t a Shepherd.
14. Is God moving in your heart through The Song of Songs? If so, how?
I don’t know that He ever stops moving when I get into the Song of Songs. 🙂
This time-He is moving in the ‘sweetness’ of His Love for me..I am seeing Him more in His three natures at once-How He delights in me-the way He talks to His bride is just so..–I don’t know, but just knowing this side of Him is beautiful to me.
Also, I came across a passage in Psalm 45 that quickened me-“Let the King be enthralled by your beauty.”..I don’t ‘let Him’ sometimes because I know my heart can be wicked-and I go back to my old lie that He will shun me..I don’t mean with the common ‘sins’.but in how I so easily wander from Him..Elizabeth posted that recently and oh that is true-to know I do that and have done that last week even-but HE is enthralled by me because HE COVERS ME. HE PURSUED ME, SOUGHT ME, AND HE SUSTAINS ME. He wants me to ‘let Him’ be enthralled by my beauty-but ‘my beauty’ is His beauty..and it is sealed regardless of how much I mess up. Yet..as Paul said just because Grace abounds doesn’t mean I should purposefully take advantage of Him-but honestly I think if we truly know Him..we won’t do that on purpose or settle for it..He gives us this desire for Him-this Love so that we couldn’t purposefully desire to take advantage of Him..Yet I know in our sin nature we can so easily forget Him..yuk..
Rebecca–each of your posts are like a devotion–and as I read this, I thought ‘I love her heart’–but more, it always turns me to him. I doubt you realize even a tiny bit how He uses you here–but oh, your words, your presence–the passionate love you have for Jesus, I just can’t tell you how it blesses me, all of us. Thanking Him for you now
15. Take notes and share here. If you share all your notes, you might bold or underline your highlights. I suggest doing it in a word document first.
SOS is…
•a “divine” song… differing from all other songs Solomon wrote (i.e., “the Song” of songs)…it is the Holy of holies of scripture.
•a song of love, union, and communion of Christ and His church/spouse.
•poetry…not logical argument; it is meant to draw one in to taste, savor, and to sample this love.
•a book of contemplation which allows one to enter into the enjoyment of this beauty.
•a book of allusions, not an allegory (which has a tighter meaning alluded to).
•More than sharing of information…it provides a means for enjoying the relationship.
Swords are a tradition of weddings… the groom provides his left hand/arm to his bride; his right hand is reserved for use of his sword for protection.
Allusions:
•The “wood of Lebanon” used in construction of the King’s carriage (Chap. 3) alludes to the temple…the cedars of Lebanon were the wood used for construction of the temple. Cedar is the “Rolls Royce” of woods; it provides a scent and is resistant to insect invasion/infestation.
•“gold” and “purple”…royal colors also associated with the temple and tabernacle.
•”60 mighty men”…King David had 30 mighty men for protection/security; much of Solomon is doubling of King David, doubling the grandeur. 60 posts surround the tabernacle. This is all alludes to the temple and tabernacle.
•”Myrrh” and “frankincense”…not ordinary fragrances of men. Myrrh is a crystallized resin and frankincense is a rock substance…the only way to get the smell is by burning. This alludes to the temple and tabernacle, and ultimately the Lord in His temple.
•The “shepherd King” and “Son of David” alludes to the Lord.
[FYI…my bold didn’t transfer from MS Word for those items I wanted to highlight…I bolded all of the allusions…:) I also bolded the portion regarding swords…I wasn’t aware of this tradition.]
How I enjoyed listening to the first part of Mike Reeves – Sibbes – The Love of Christ 1; it was like a curtain opened for me. I must confess that I lack some knowledge or don’t remember scriptural facts related to the temple and tabernacle, so the associations that I should be making, weren’t necessarily coming to mind. After listening to the first portion of the Reeves small group conversation/study, it is coming together in my head so much more. I also have to admit that being a fairly logical, largely “left-brained” individual, it has been kind of an internal struggle to give way to just “be” and let the text “sing”.
Letting the text sing — I’d say you are getting there!
Thanks for the encouragement, Dee.
I also meant to mention earlier a “thanks” for recommending “The Land of Blue Burqas”…what a wonderfully written, informative book. It has opened my eyes to many things I never knew; it has certainly changed my perspective…many thanks for suggesting it to me. I have and will continue to suggest it to others…I am grateful to the author for providing insight into a culture we “think” we may know and understand, but likely don’t really.
Nanci–this is “quotable”! so good for me to learn– “to give way to just “be” and let the text “sing”–love that!
Nanci, this is helpful to me from your notes, that SOS is “poetry…not logical argument; it is meant to draw one in to taste, savor, and to sample this love.”
This is so different from ‘reasoning’ or trying to convince us of His love, or even explaining. It’s FEELING it.
15. Take notes and share here. If you share all your notes, you might bold or underline your highlights. I suggest doing it in a word document first.
I had hoped to have a chance to re-listen, I got interrupted a bit and it was hard to get notes down—hopefully tomorrow!This isn’t worth sharing–but oh well 😉
What is the song of song about? Is it primarily relation b/t Christ and His church or primarily human romance? The 2nd view is most popular today. Historically, it was the first view.
It is in Scripture. Every other book is about God and His relationship with His people. Solomon’s style is always cryptic.
Edwards: It is the song of songs—the most excellent of all songs—therefore it makes sense that it refers to more than an ordinary love song—it is designed for a divine authority—it seems most probable that if it is the song of the most excellent subject, it could only refer to the relationship of Christ and the Church, of which the human marriage is only a shadow.
It is a song, poetry—it is drawing us in to taste, savor, relish in His love. It is a book of contemplation.