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THE BEST SONG OF ALL (Lesson 1 –WE BEGIN!)

 

Welcome, welcome to those just joining us for our journey through

The Song of Songs!

Please read over the instructions in “Getting Started.”

I have wanted to do this book for a long time.

This is why:

Tim Keller believes our main problem is

that we doubt God’s love for us.

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Brennan Manning believes the one question we will be asked on Judgment Day is

“Did you believe I loved you?”

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The following is a short video of a small group (whom I love) from my church in

Nebraska that did Idol Lies and

how they were awakened to their “unfaithfulness” and then desired to have the

love of God replace their love for their idols:

 

How we need to linger over

the best song

the highest song

The Song of Songs

Mybeloved

There are two historical approaches that scholars have taken to The Song of Songs:

1. It is primarily a picture of the love of Christ for His Bride with an application for marriage.

2. It is primarily a love song of marriage with an application to Christ and the Church.

There are people who love the Lord in each of these camps, so it is important we give grace to those in the camp we are not in. (And I’m praying for grace from those who are in the camp I am not in as well!)

It is certainly true that we can learn something about Christ’s love and about marriage from this book, the disagreement comes concerning the primary emphasis. And where you give the primary emphasis dramatically impacts how you interpret the book.

I am in the first camp, and I have been enormously helped by Matthew Henry, Charles Spurgeon, Hudson Taylor, and most recently, Mike Reeves of the Reformed Theology Network who draws upon Puritan Richard Sibbes. Sibbes lived at the time of Shakespeare and so his language is antiquated, and Reeves is so helpful in clarifying the language of Sibbes. Our own Laura pointed out to me that Nancy Leigh DeMoss did a series on The Song of Songs from this first perspective, and that has also been a great resource.

Both Mike Reeves and Nancy Leigh DeMoss have free downloadable sessions we will listen to during these series. Nancy Leigh DeMoss also has her teaching in written form. Mike Reeves is in a classroom setting and you will have to listen carefully for some of the audio is soft, but I don’t want you to miss it. As Reeves says in his wonderful British accent, “I believe you will be refreshed,” and oh, I have been! And our own Anne has a video, we will see later, when we are further into the study. All are free!

This week will be an overview.

Here are some fascinating facts provided by Mike Reeves:

  • Up until the early 1800’s, The Song of Songs was always seen as primarily a picture of the love of Christ for His Bride with an application to marriage. It has only been in the last two hundred years that the focus has shifted.
  • Up until the early 1800’s, The Song of Songs was the most preached on book in the Old Testament. Now it is rarely preached on, and if it is, it tends to be from the perspective of marriage.

For those of you who have been blessed by teachers who feel the primary emphasis is on marriage, I think you will also be blessed by this perspective. Not only will you develop greater confidence in God’s love for you, but when you see both your marriage and your marriage bed through the perspective of Christ and the church, it enriches this earthly bond.

The Mysterious Song

Some of you have expressed understandable apprehension about this book, and I understand. Solomon, who is the author, liked to write in riddles — we see this in Proverbs and Ecclesiastes. So The Song of Songs is a mysterious book, and it is a poem, rather than a chronological story. There are flashbacks and repetitions, as is characteristic of songs and poetry. It is also important to look at this as an allusion rather than an allegory. Like a parable, The Song of Songs is a big picture, rather than a didactic equation where you can find a parallel for each detail. There are so many WILD interpretations from those who have done The Song of Songs from both camps. In the first camp, for example, one author said that her beloved lying between her breasts was Christ between the Old and New Testaments! And in the second camp, the interpretations often seem to me to demean the beauty of The Song of Songs by suggesting certain sexual practices. I do want to make it clear that I believe there is an application to marriage and the marriage bed, and this book shows us how beautiful, how mysterious, and how powerful the marriage bed can be. But the main purpose, I am convinced, is to deepen our confidence in God’s love.

There are two primary characters: King Solomon, the bridegroom, whom the bride usually called my beloved; and the peasant girl, the Shulamite, the bride, whom Solomon usually calls my love. (Those pet names may help you know who is talking.)

Sunday/Monday Icebreakers (Everyone answer all)

1. What stood out to you and why?

2. What, if any, has been your perspective of The Song of Songs up to now?

3. What do you hope to gain from this study?

Monday-Wednesday: Bible Study: Clues to Discern the Primary Message

Let’s see if we can gather clues from the Bible itself as to the primary message of The Song of Songs. This is a bit of a “riddle,” but do your best and ask God to help you to see.

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4. Every other book of the Bible is about one relationship, that of God and His people. Can you think of a book that is not about that? Do you think The Song of Songs would be an exception? Why or why not?

Every other book of the Bible has Christ at the center, because God knows we are blessed when He, rather than we, are at the center. Here is what our own Elizabeth wrote:

When I read the Bible in context, with God, instead of Self, as the center, the reference point–the Bible is…indescribable! I am noticing now that even one verse strikes me as it never has before. There is a richness and depth that draws me in for more. And, not sure if this makes sense out-loud–but there is a RELIEF, a peace that comes from taking myself out of the center. When I stop looking for answers for me–and turn to His Word to know more of Him–there is a satisfying calm that comes over me.

5. According to 1 Kings 4:32, how many songs did Solomon write? How many riddles?

6. What is this song called, according to the first verse? How is this like “the King of kings,” or “the Lord of lords?”

7. What do you think is the best possible song? Why?

8. We are told Solomon is the author, and we can glean something about the perspective of the book by considering Solomon’s style of writing. He liked to write riddles, and they run through Proverbs and Ecclesiastes. He opens Proverbs with:

Let the wise hear and increase in learning,

and the one who understands obtain guidance,

to understand a proverb and a saying,

the words of the wise and their riddles.

Proverbs 1:5-6 (ESV)

We have come to associate “riddles” with a child’s game, but in Scripture it is deeper. We understand a mysterious heavenly truth through a less mysterious earthly truth.For example, in Ecclesiastes Solomon tells us:

As you do not know the way the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything.

Ecclesiastes 11:5

9. What is being communicated by the above “riddle” from Solomon?

Jesus told “riddles” in the form of parables

There was a man who went out to sow…

A man once gave a great banquet and invited many…

A man planted a vineyard and lent it out to tenants…

10. In the above parables is the primary message about the earthly example or the spiritual parallel?

11. We also associate Solomon with women and with love. What do you learn about him from Ecclesiastes 2:8?

We know that Solomon walked with God and God appeared to him twice, and granted his heart’s desire for wisdom. God also warned him, knowing his weakness for women, but Solomon disobeyed and married 300 wives and took 700 concubines. How then, we ponder, can he possibly foreshadow the ultimate Bridegroom?

This is a mystery. We do not know when The Song of Songs was written. It may have been in his youth when his only bride was the Shulamite. It may have been in old age when he had possibly repented of his folly. Why would God choose him to foreshadow the ultimate bridegroom. Here are a few thoughts from others:

Richard Wurmbrand (Voice of the Martyrs) and Nancy Leigh DeMoss feel it is precisely his fallenness that God chose him, to show that He can redeem and use anyone. Nancy Leigh De Moss writes: “That is exactly where grace comes in…”God can’t bless the sin of your past but he can use a broken and contrite heart. That’s the person God wants to use and chooses to be a channel, a vessel of communicating His love and His grace and mercy to others.”

Richard Sibbes (the Puritan pastor) says Solomon was known for his passion, and this shows us God’s desire for us.

I wonder if Solomon is chosen in part for his kingly splendor, for he was the wisest and wealthiest king. It is a picture to me of a great King who loved an unworthy peasant girl, and whose love transformed her into a beautiful princess. This is the story of the gospel: the bride is asked to leave her shameful past behind and become a daughter of royalty. This is in essence the story of Psalm 45, which has been called The Song of Songs in a nutshell.

11. Why do you think God chose Solomon to write this song and why?

12. Based on all you have read above, what do you think is the primary message of The Song of Songs and why? (Let’s hear from everyone!)

Thursday/Friday:  Helicopter Ride

This is not a chronological story, yet you can see growth on the part of the bride. Most divide it into three areas of growth.  The Song of Songs has flashbacks and repetitions, but basically, I think this will help you as you as you read through. Much will be mysterious, like a riddle, but still, ask God to give you glimpses of His love for you as you read. I’ve chosen three sections that seem to represent these three stages.

13. Find something in each category that stands out to you and explain why:

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A. First Love (a time of euphoria when you first fall in love with Jesus) (Song of Songs 1:1-2:8)

 

 

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B. Wilderness Love (when you realize there is a cost, and that your Bridegroom doesn’t always make sense and you feel like withdrawing) (Song of Songs 5:2-9)

 

 

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C. Invincible Love (when you have matured to the point you trust Him, even when there is mysterious pain) (Song of Songs 8:5-7)

14. If time permits: I am so excited to share what I’ve learned from Mike Reeves (and the Puritan scholar Richard Sibbes) — but that will need to wait til next week so I don’t overwhelm you with homework. For those of you who have time, read Psalm 45, for it is The Song of Songs in a nutshell. We’ll look at it again next week — but if a verse quickens you, share it here.

Saturday

15. What is your take-a-way and why?

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  1. OH..I was SO looking forward to this morning and it didn’t disappoint! :)))

    I have to get ready for church and I can’t quickly pick one thing-it is all so wonderful..so I am coming back. Right off the bat I have to say I LOVE Dee’s loving, respectful approach to both sides on this.

    OH I agree with Dee in that I have learned that my main problem-the reason I went into the wilderness, and the reason I can struggle with anxiety is because I don’t believe He really loves me in those times and I withdraw from Him. What is sustaining me through this current trial of late is His love..I have had to ask myself this-and go back to the Shulamite women in the cleft and Him wooing and loving her. God even kisses me with pictures of my children, how can I not feed them and care for them when they are hungry-I love them so much I would die for them and would do what is necessary to provide for them-yet He loves me even more.

    I SOOOOO need this study…I need to massage this in every day and grow in trusting Him and His love for me-I want to mature in this so that I walk with an unshakable confidence in His love for me and respond loving Him to the heights regardless of the depth of the trials I face.

    1. always love your passionate heart for him, rebecca

  2. I love bible studies

    1. Welcome Carol!

    2. glad you’re here, Carol

    3. Welcome Carol!

    4. Welcome, Carol -Florida. Please join us.

    5. Glad to have you here, Carol!

    6. Greetings, Carol…glad that you’ll be joining us.

    7. Hello Carol from Florida!

    8. Glad you are with us 🙂

  3. I am very excited to be doing this study. Don’t think I have ever done a study focused on the Song of Songs. The language is very beautiful. I am God’s beloved child and I desire to internalize that more and more. Thank you Dee for your leadership and use of your gifts I am confident it will bless us all.

  4. I have to be quick as I also have to get ready for church, but I wanted to say that when I started reading, it was becoming clear to me that this is an answer to one of my prayers. I know that God loves me is beyond all real comprehension, I know this so why do I doubt? My prayer has been for me to feel in my heart God’s love for me, to feel that intimacy that I long for, not just on occasion but daily. When I was reading Dee’s words this morning, the tears started when I realized that this is God was speaking through them letting me know that He is answering my prayer.

    1. This is beautiful, Mary–so thankful you are here and God heard your cries

    2. Wow Mary, it is so encouraging to hear how God is coming to you! 🙂

    3. This sounds like a big “kiss from the King”…:) Thanks for sharing, Mary.

    4. : )

  5. 1. What stood out to you and why?

    Mike Reeves fact: Up until the early 1800′s, The Song of Songs was always seen as primarily a picture of the love of Christ for His Bride with an application to marriage. It has only been in the last two hundred years that the focus has shifted.

    I admit that I do doubt God’s love when tough times hit. I need to be continually convinced again. I am looking forward to believing deeper down of His love so that I can live in it, walk in it. Knowing/believing/living in His love changes everything. I am looking forward to this study.

  6. “Did you believe I loved you?” I do believe it and ponder how much he loves me, but it’s hard to imagine anyone could love me that much. If you’ve never had anyone love you that much…how can we know what it’s like? I do have trouble with that question, so I’m eager to learn more. I believe I’m the bride and Jesus is the bridegroom and I’m so excited for him to come for me!

  7. 1. What stood out to you and why?

    First, the comments of Tim Keller and Brennan Manning. The idea that God’s love for us is His greatest concern and our biggest stumbling block is stunning but so true. Secondly, that up until the early 1800’s, The Song of Songs was the most preached on book in the Old Testament. I never would have thought that.

    2. What, if any, has been your perspective of The Song of Songs up to now?

    It is a book that I don’t think I have ever read through completely. I have been aware of the two different perspectives but I can’t give a true opinion yet

    3. What do you hope to gain from this study?

    A fuller, deeper awareness of God’s love for me. Always a tough concept for my heart to grasp.

    1. really good Jill “God’s love for us is His greatest concern and our biggest stumbling block”

    2. “A fuller, deeper awareness of God’s love for me. Always a tough concept for my heart to grasp.”
      Me too Jill.

  8. Hi, Im new to this study, and type on the internet. I signed up months ago for Dee’s bible studies, but life as a military spouse/mom and being stationed in the Netherlands has kept me pretty busy. Im really looking forward to this study. I have had friends in the past say its a great study and one I dont quite understand myself. I find I love Proverbs and Ecclesiastes but struggle with this particular book. Also I want to see God’s love in a different perspective and light. Looking forward to reading all your post and comments as well. Blessings.

    1. Welcome Staci, so good to have you here-looking forward to reading your posts as well. 🙂

    2. Welcome Staci…we are thrilled to have new sisters!

    3. Staci – THANK YOU to you, your husband and your entire family for your service to our country! So glad you are joining us here.

    4. Hi Staci – I want to welcome you, too!

    5. Welcome, Staci…glad you’ll be joining us. I echo Jill’s sentiment of thanks…

    6. Hello Staci!
      One of our son’s is Air Force and stationed in Belguim, welcome.

      1. Hello Chris Swan! What a small world…what part of Belgium? We have been a few times and occasionally my husband has to go to KB, an hour from where we live. Love Belgium chocolate!

        1. Peer is the name of the town he is in, given how hard it is to find information on, I think it is very small. He spent his first years in North Dakota and was really glad to get this assignment.
          Where are you and your husband from originally?

        2. OMG, Peer is KB area, is he a cop in the Air Force? If he is, Im sure my husband has met him. Small base and same here. They all go to each others bases from time to time. How long has he been stationed there? ND..yeah, every cops fear of assignment…lol…to include ours after here. I will ask my husband when he arrives home if he knows the last name Swan from KB. So excited…lol…small world. 🙂

        3. That really would be neat to find out they know one another!
          His name is Zach, he has been there since November of last year.

        4. Chris~Yes, I asked my husband but doesnt know the name. It’s a small base like ours, so Im sure they will run into each other. We have been here for over 2 years and on the last leg of our stay here. Just waiting to see where the military/God sends us next. Is your son a cop, maintenance or some other? Just exciting to meet someone with family near us. 🙂

  9. 1. What stood out to you and why?
    I am so grateful that Dee is willing to prayerfully journey into difficult waters, and leads us in wisdom and truth; and for my sisters here who are grounded in rich truth and faith. I’m excited and ready to learn more, be challenged, and grow.
    I was most struck by the quote of Manning:“Did you believe I loved you?” There is SO much there, I just want to ponder it longer. On the surface, I believe it—but to what depth?
    After a recent act of defiance from one of my children, I asked “do you know how much I love you? Do you really get it?” I asked, because I often wonder, based on the actions and attitudes we deal with—if this child really gets it? Because somewhere inside I am thinking, surely if she knew how much she is loved, she would not act this way.
    And so when I imagine Jesus asking me, “Did you believe…” I think of all the ways I act as an orphan child. The ways I forget my Daddy is the King. I act as though I need to make things happen my way in order to be satisfied (though it never works). Oh how I have grieved Him, much much deeper than my child grieves me—by acting as though I don’t really believe I am deeply, utterly loved. How could He have shown it more—than the Cross?

    1. Elizabeth, This quickened me: that we grieve God by not really believing we are deeply utterly loved-how could he have shown it more-than the cross?

      1. me too

    2. Elizabeth, I can so relate on the defiant child and wow, what a parallel for ourselves and God. Thanks for sharing, that really is an eye opener and God speaking to me. Thanks for sharing.

  10. OK, so I read through it again, sorry a bit slow in this type of online bible study. I have never been able to read through Song of Solomon, to be honest. Im not sure why? I guess I always felt it was for marriage and I was already married…? I find it interesting my oldest daughter was reading this particular book in one of her classes last year. Merely for the poetry aspect. Im really looking forward to seeing God’s love in this bible study. I know He loves us all,but to read Song of Solomon in a different perspective as if He wrote it to me, Im really looking forward to that. Having grown up in a home where my father was anything but full of love and a mom that never was in my life, Im now 42 with no connection or relationship to my father or mother, I would like to sense God’s love more than ever, to help me overcome some hurts and barriers of accepting/receiving love in my own life. I have a wonderful husband and 3 great kids, dont get me wrong,but Im really wanting to see/sense God’s love more than ever in His word.

    1. Staci–SO great to have you with us.

    2. Staci, so glad you decided to join us. I have enjoyed it and have grown here – I think you will too!

    3. So glad to have you participate here with us, Staci. Welcome.

    4. Staci, I haven’t studied Song of Songs either. I’m a big reader of prose but poetry has never been something that moves me. I’m expecting this will be a challenge :). Also, I too come from family of origin where love was not expressed well. I’ve been on the blog since February and I’m learning about and experiencing God’s love more and more but sometimes, it’s a little threatening. Makes me feel uncomfortable. I’m trusting that God will show me His love in a time and way that doesn’t overwhelm or drive me away. So glad you are here.

      1. Oh, my, Jill. Your response to Staci about being a bit uncomfortable and a bit threatened by God’s love reminds me of verses in Song of Solomon when the Shulamite woman is hiding in the cleft of the rock and her beloved urges her to come out and go deeper with him. Indeed, we are the timid and confused Shulamite woman.

        O my dove, in the clefts of the rock,
        in the crannies of the cliff,
        let me see your face,
        let me hear your voice,
        for your voice is sweet,
        and your face is lovely. Song of Solomon 2:14 ESV

        I love your sentence “I’m trusting that God will show me His love in a time and way that doesn’t overwhelm or drive me away”. I am sure God will do that for you, though love is always risky. I will pray that God will lead us gently as he shows his love more deeply to us.

        1. Sometimes I wonder if our being uncomfortable with God’s love goes all the way back to Adam and Eve hiding from God-the effects of the Fall. They were so close to Him and then suddenly His love and presence was scary.

        2. Susan,that is a really good point, and I can see so many points alone in that with Adam and Eve…now that has got me thinking.

        3. Beautiful Diane!

        4. 🙂

      2. Jill, thank you and I will be praying for you. I too am learning God’s grace and mercy and the great thing about God, He sends the Holy Spirit, who is gentle to woo our hearts. I love that about the Holy Spirit. Many hugs to you Jill as you experience God’s love and may He bring peace through it all. I can relate to feeling uncomfortable, funny thing, I use to get overwhelmed when we were going to see my husband’s side of the family. They always great each other with hugs and a kiss on each others cheek, sounds funny, but it use to send me in to a panic mode..lol. I can laugh now, God is so good at placing the right people in our lives at times. Blessings friend. 🙂

        1. Staci–Staci–I can already see what a gift you are to this study. Love your depth and perspective, and I relate to some of your past family pain as well. Really thankful the Lord led you here!
          And what is your gravatar? I don’t think I saw it yesterday–is this you and your husband? Beautiful picture!

        2. Elizabeth, thanks. Yes that is my husband and I taken a few years ago when we lived in Italy. We were off to some awards thing. Sorry, I just figured out the photo thingy today…lol. I am a photographer and have an easier time figuring out Photoshop than simple gestures as a gravatar…lol.
          Im really grateful for this study and everyone here as well. I have been saved since I was 21. Through the years I would just hear God saying, all they need is love….kind of like the old song,Beetles? Regardless, I would agree but not realize the ‘all they need is love’ applied to myself too…learning and growing. 🙂

        3. Staci, I’m laughing now. I too married into a family of huggers! I used to think they were all a little crazy. They even sent Valentine’s to each other! It took me years to see that this was normal loving behavior. I thank God He put me into this family and that they had the patience to put up with me! I now consider these folks my dearest friends.

        4. Sounds like God knew just the right family for you Jill, ones who could be His hands and feet to you, neat provision.

        5. Jill~:) God is so good and humorous at the same time.

  11. 1. What stood out to you and why?
    What stood out to me was Manning’s idea that we could be asked “Did you believe I loved you” at Judgement. And the unsettling realization that for decades, though a Christian, I don’t think I could have answered confidently in the affirmative.

    2. What, if any, has been your perspective of The Song of Songs up to now?
    I’ve thought Song of Songs was a beautiful love story – for someone else – but never had a clear understanding of it’s purpose or how it might apply to me.

    3. What do you hope to gain from this study?
    I was touched by the line: “But the main purpose, I am convinced, is to deepen our confidence in God’s love.” I am new to the online studies/blog but have been reading Idol Lies and listening to Tim Keller’s sermons and am awakening to believing God’s love, at the heart, not just the head, level. It has already made a big difference in my life – but I still have far to go to reach that deep confidence. I’m excited to pursue it!

    1. Welcome Karen!Glad you’re joining us

    2. Welcome, Karen!

    3. Welcome, Karen. Glad to have you here to pursue “confidence in God’s love” with us.

    4. So glad you’ve joined us, Karen!

    5. Welcome, Karen!

    6. Hi, Karen…welcome!

    7. Hello Karen!

    8. Thank you for the warm welcome!

  12. 1. What stood out to you and why?
    The gentleness with which Dee begins this study. Rather than “jumping right in,” Dee provided an “overview” week to introduce us to Song of Songs. I appreciate the explanation of the differing perspectives and Dee’s guidance to “look at this as an allusion rather than an allegory … a big picture, rather than a didactic equation where you can find a parallel for each detail.”

    2. What, if any, has been your perspective of The Song of Songs up to now?
    This has been a rather intimidating book to me…one I have not ventured into all that much. I tend to be a rather “concrete” type thinker and often don’t get what I’m supposed to from poetry and the like. So instead of looking at this book in a literal manner, I will strive to view it as indirect references and in a “big picture” sense.

    3. What do you hope to gain from this study?
    I want to grow ever more in love with Jesus. 1 John 4:19 says that “We love because He first loved us.”…by learning more about the Lord’s love for me, the consequence will be my love growing ever more for Him. (Please don’t misunderstand me…I love the Lord, but I fall short of the first/greatest commandment, i.e., to love the Lord with my whole heart, mind, soul, and strength…that is what I’m striving for…complete and utter love, first and foremost, always and forever, no questions, no doubts.)

  13. Still pondering the question “Did you believe I loved you?” If I try to answer it with my eyes focused on myself, it almost feels prideful–difficult to accept. But that’s just it! The focus is not on me, being worthy of such love…the reason it is deep, and rich, and TRUE–is that the focus is not me but HIM. As Nanci quoted above, 1 John 4:19 says that “We love because He first loved us.” I can rest in the assurance of His love because that love is all based on Who He Is, not my own merit. It is because of His great love that He finds me loveable, beautiful, His beloved.

    1. Elizabeth-YES!!! :::::)))))))))

      The Holy Spirit just did a flip inside when I read this! A hearty AMEN!

    2. Beautiful, I just listened to a podcast last night with your same observation. Especially your last line, ” It is because of His great love that He finds me loveable, beautiful, His beloved. Thanks for sharing.

  14. Thank you for your insight and direction for this study.
    I love your observations about the different ways to view this book.
    Yes, I am really struggling to see His love for me. Too many hurts and rejections.
    Help me pray for the desire to believe this.

    1. Welcome, Toni. It is obvious that Dee’s decision to lead us through Song of Solomon is meeting a deep need in all of us to understand and believe that God really loves us. We are all on this journey and would love to have you join us.

      I am curious what your gravator picture is. A terrier?

    2. Welcome, Toni…I echo Diane’s thoughts…it seems a common struggle we all have to fully comprehend and believe His love for us.

    3. Glad to have you with us, Toni!

    4. Hello Toni, you have come to a good place!

    5. glad you are here Toni on this journey with all of us to grasp how deep, wide and high His great love for us is!

    6. Stopped and prayed for you Toni.

  15. 1. What stood out to you and why?
    It is primarily a picture of the love of Christ for His Bride with an application for marriage. I have always been under the impression that the Song of Songs has been about marriage. To change the perspective that it is not about human love, but about the love of Christ for us is profound to me.

    2. What, if any, has been your perspective of The Song of Songs up to now?
    Like I said about, my perspective that it is about human relationships. Since I am not married and haven’t been for over 25 years, so I really haven’t paid a lot of attention to Song of Songs, in all honesty.

    3. What do you hope to gain from this study?
    If my perspective changes from the focus from human love to God’s love then the impact is really profound. My hope is this leads me to a more intimate relationship with the Lord, to feel His love for me where I feel that I am love by my Lord, without doubt. Now there are times where I feel I am unworthy and unlovable and it is in those times where I doubt that the Lord could truly accept me. My head and my heart are separated in this, as I know that God loves me, but in the times where I feel that I am so unworthy that He shouldn’t find me lovable. It is my desire that His truth prevails and my heart sees His true love for me. I know that may not make a lot of sense, however it is my desire that I more deeply feel His love for me.

  16. 1. What stood out to you and why?

    My heart actually jumped when I read the question I may be asked on judgement day, “Did you believe I loved you?” in fact I choked back tears.

    2. What, if any, has been your perspective of The Song of Songs up to now?

    I probably listened to at least some of the NLD series; I seem to remember her doing it. I also did a study with a younger couple who led a large group of similar couples. I felt a tad out of place (we were much older), but probably learned something. I had the idea this book is one that justifies our love (and sex) for each other. I don’t/didn’t have a position on this book. I do struggle with the issue, because to me, sex is about bodies, and bodies (my stupid brain) need to be perfect to partake (if you know what I mean). I have never had the greatest body; never met the American model “standard,” which unfortunately has always depressed me. It also had to do with the dancing thing. To be a ballerina there is suffering. I think I may have finally let all that go, but my marriage has suffered. I wish I had known years ago that a different perspective existed! Wow, I’m really SLOW 🙁 I’m so glad Dee has taught me that idols are bad (duh) and God is better (double duh); that would include my imperfect body! So glad it’s never too late to change….

    3. What do you hope to gain from this study?

    The reason this book is included in the Bible. It confounds me (the poetry thing); can’t say I am looking forward to it much, but I trust Dee to provide some great resources to help me struggle through.

    1. I just love your perspective, your honesty, Laura dancer. It makes me smile. I can imagine how you are dreading having to tackle all the poetry and riddles of Song of Solomon (SOS, as you say). I will pray that you and others who find this kind of writing difficult while be given insight from God to draw deeper into His heart for you.

      1. Too funny Diane, SOS! I wasn’t thinking that when I wrote it 🙂 just lazy. it might just be my saving! SOS!

        1. :), Laura dancer! SOS! LOL!

    2. Laura, please don’t say you are stupid or slow. We all come from brokenness and some areas are more protected than others. God will open your eyes to what He wants you to know when you are ready to know it. You are growing on this blog like we all are and that is proof that you are not stupid or slow! 🙂

      1. Thanks Jill, I worry that I don’t understand things the bible is trying to teach me because sometimes I have to read between the lines, and I am a concrete girl! I’m glad we have dee!

        1. Amen to that, Laura. I’m so glad we have Dee as well. I understand your concrete brain :). My youngest daughter is the same and I have had to learn over the years how to speak to her so that she will understand what I am trying to say. Not a matter of intelligence, just another wonderful way that God has made us so unique and God knows better than anyone how He must speak to you so that you will understand what He is trying to say. Believe me, we need people that think like you!

    3. Laura-d, this made me smile…
      “What do you hope to gain from this study?…The reason this book is included in the Bible. It confounds me (the poetry thing); can’t say I am looking forward to it much, but I trust Dee to provide some great resources to help me struggle through.”

      I too am somewhat “confounded” by poetry and anticipate a challenge with Song of Songs; I’m also anticipating a greater understanding through this study and responses from my bible study blog sisters. I feel like we are starting a journey…

  17. 2. What, if any, has been your perspective of The Song of Songs up to now?

    Before our first son was born we led Tom Nelson’s video study of The Song of Songs in our home. Back then I saw it as a book for marriage, yet in the back of my mind I wondered why every book in the Bible pointed to Jesus except this one. Then when Dee introduced it to us in a whole new light in Idol Lies-I was challenged to the core and changed my perspective.

    3. What do you hope to gain from this study?

    I want to go into the Song of Songs, deeper into His love for me. I SO love what Elizabeth said above..because it is true! It isn’t about us but about Him and I look forward to seeing the beauty of Him in all of us here as He helps us massage The Song of Songs in deeper.

    I want my first response when a trial hits to not withdraw because of the pain but to be willing to let Him take me through the pain clinging to Him-to trust He loves me and has this.

      1. Dee, we (Patrick) led it a couple of times with our singles group a long time ago-I do remember bits and pieces from it-maybe God will bring some things to mind but I know Patrick would remember. (Patrick went to Tom Nelson’s church in Denton TX. when he lived there.)

    1. Yes, I agree…
      “I want my first response when a trial hits to not withdraw because of the pain but to be willing to let Him take me through the pain clinging to Him-to trust He loves me and has this.”

      that would be wonderful.

    2. “I wondered why every book in the Bible pointed to Jesus except this one.”

      Good point Rebecca 🙂

  18. 4. Every other book of the Bible is about one relationship, that of God and His people. Can you think of a book that is not about that? Do you think The Song of Songs would be an exception? Why or why not?

    I have to admit, I have never read the entire Bible. Books such as Malachi and Haggai are foreign to me. I’m guessing the answer here is “no,” all the books are about God and His people; I can’t think of one that isn’t. SOS is an exception. I’m not sure why that is; not too keen on riddles. I suppose it is one that is more special? Can’t imagine one book being “better” than another, but who knows?

  19. 5. According to 1 Kings 4:32, how many songs did Solomon write? How many riddles? 1005 and 3000.

    6. What is this song called, according to the first verse? How is this like “the King of kings,” or “the Lord of Lords.”

    Song of Songs. It is exalted; THE song of all the songs; THE king of all the kings; THE lord of all the lords.

  20. Hello everyone, I’ve been quietly reading this amazing blog for almost a year. What a fertile ground for growth in knowing and applying God’s Word. I’ve desired a deeper walk with my Lord and this study is my diving board. Dee thank you for faithfully fulfilling God’s call on your life. This blog is like air in my spirit, refreshing!

    1. Hi JoVeda, glad that you’ll be joining us as a blogger/commenter…welcome!

      1. Thank you for all the welcomes! I’ve been thinking that we struggle with accepting God’s pure love because of our fallen nature, but it can be spiritually discerned through the power of the Holy Spirit, the living gift God grants each believer. So many encouraging thoughts being shared. Thanks to everyone.

    2. Hello JoVeda!

    3. JoVeda-So glad you have joined in!

    4. Welcome JoVeda!

    5. Glad you have joined us! I like this: “This blog is like air in my spirit, refreshing!”

  21. 2. What, if any, has been your perspective of The Song of Songs up to now?

    I never have heard a sermon series on Song of Solomon, but I have a vague memory of attending a Christian camp in my young teens where one of the leaders taught us a bit about the “Rose of Sharon” from the perspective that the book was about God’s love for us. I remember being curious about the book after that and actually reading it for the first time. But I was more puzzled by the book than anything, although I thought the poetry and word pictures were beautiful. The book was like a mystery gift package that I didn’t know how to unwrap. I have read it or heard references to it many times since, but never felt I understood. Dee has referred to passages of it before and I am looking forward to understanding it much more fully.

  22. 1. What stood out to you and why?

    Tim Keller and Brennan Manning both believe we have huge struggles with believing God’s love – that coming from two ‘spiritual giants’. I am glad both are humble enough to admit they struggle, too. I do remember several weeks ago Dee had Manning’s video where he was speaking and he said this. It was powerful, moving…I remember it made me cry.
    Interesting that up until the 1800’s, Song of Songs was preached as primarily about Christ and His Bride…yet we also studied here one week about how we often read the Bible and make it all about US; so I can see how it changed to be a book about marriage. But we learned here that the Bible is all about GOD and what He has done.

    I’m with Nanci, too, that I appreciate the way Dee is beginning this study with an overview, easing us into it gently! I see in you, Dee, that you don’t just dive into what you want to study, but you approach everything with much prayer and listening for God’s leading…and it is so evident that He is leading.

    2. What, if any, has been your perspective of The Song of Songs up to now?

    I remember listening to Family Life Today and they did a series on it-couldn’t remember who preached on it until Rebecca mentioned Tom Nelson above-it was him and it was from the viewpoint that it was about marriage. I liked the way Dee brought in several passages into Idol Lies-it was different, refreshing. I find it a hard book to understand.

    3. What do you hope to gain from this study?

    Rest. I have struggled my whole life-as far back as I can remember, to feel loved and accepted. To feel that I belong, that I fit-in. I often feel like I can’t do anything right. I’m so tired of not being able to live above my circumstances, of feeling lonely and depressed. I’m almost afraid to get my hopes up that by the end of this study, things will be different. But I’d really like to picture myself resting in His arms, being loved, and I have so much to learn about how to love Him.

    1. Dear Susan, how this makes me ache for you…
      “I have struggled my whole life-as far back as I can remember, to feel loved and accepted. To feel that I belong, that I fit-in. I often feel like I can’t do anything right. I’m so tired of not being able to live above my circumstances, of feeling lonely and depressed. I’m almost afraid to get my hopes up that by the end of this study, things will be different.”

      I pray that this study gives you the peace (“rest”) you desire…to “picture myself resting in His arms, being loved,” is so very desirable (very desirable to me as well).

      Through the vantage of our bible study blog family, I see you so very differently (i.e., belonging, fitting in, prayerful, open, knowledgeable, sisterly…), I so enjoy reading your posts; I learn much from you and your thoughtfulness.

    2. I identify so much Susan with your answer to 3, I suspect you and I, and so many of us here, need to tweak our perspective, that what we really need to absorb is how much He love us!

    3. Like!

  23. JAY UPDATE (from a recent message from Bridget/Mom)..thanks for continued prayers!

    Jay’s care team shifted focus slightly. Some of you may remember that Jay was about 2/3 of the way through his neuroblastoma treatment when they found the leukemia last December. Now that he has shown his strength through transplant (for treatment of the leukemia), the fight will move back to the the neuroblastoma front.
    Jay had lots of tests to gauge his level of disease. He is going to have a MRI in the coming weeks. Jay’s urine tests came back clear for Neuroblastoma! Doctors cautioned Bridget and Travis to not get too excited yet.
    Jay is still doing really well. Bridget and Travis are switching from crisis mode to survival mode and “trying to put some pieces together to build something that resembles a real life”.

    [For those of you who are newer…Jay is a young boy (2 years); the grandson of my husband’s cousin and our good friends. Jay was diagnosed with Neuroblastoma June 2012. He underwent multiple rounds of chemo treatment which induced a therapy related myeloid sarcoma also known as extramedullary acute myeloid leukemia (EM/AML). Jay has been in a fight with cancer since he was 13 months. In March 2013, Jay underwent a stem cell transplant. Cue the Light did his story…following is the URL: http://vimeo.com/68139650)]

    1. JOY! Thanks for keeping us updated Nanci–so happy for Bridget, Travis, and Jay! Continuing prayers

    2. Thank you for this Nancy, I could relate to the thoughts about ‘what did we used to complain about’.
      I will continue to pray for this family.

    3. Nanci
      Thank you so much for the update, this is great news. I too will continue to pray for little Jay and family.

    4. Thanks for this news, Nanci. Will keep them in my prayers.

  24. 1. What stood out to you and why?

    The ladies in the video stood out to me, I listened to the clip yesterday. I could identify with thinking of the the nation of Israel as an adulterous nation and the shock of realizing I was more like them than I used to think, and also with the comment about the desire to let the power of new affection for Christ dispel these worthless things I hold on to from my heart, for real!

    Also I thought about the shift in the teaching perspective of the Song of Songs, that is food for thought. It seems cultural to me that we have elevated marriage to be an ultimate thing.

    2. What, if any, has been your perspective of The Song of Songs up to now?
    
I have taken in some of the imagery of the book, through your teaching Dee. I see myself in the shame and fear of the hiding maiden, in the reluctance to let Him in, but I don’t want to miss out on what my God has for me, I want to trust Him more and be ready to go with Him when he calls to me.
    I don’t want our cultural tainting of sex, the impulse to view it as dirty or shameful, to shut me off from what is really communicated in this book.

    3. What do you hope to gain from this study?
    

In Sunday school yesterday we discussed Phillipians 4:4, that Christ was born of a woman we were pondering that. It was brought out that Christ the creator, The Christ of Revelation came and was born of a woman to redeem us. I felt filled with awe at the thought, I felt afraid to continue to question His love for me. I hope that this study continues the work that is being done in me, I want the affection in me to grow and push out the desire for any other.

  25. 2. What, if any, has been your perspective of The Song of Songs up to now?
    Well, in my life “pre-Dee”, I would have said it was a book with a lot of great verses for putting on cards to my husband! I guess I primarily saw it as a book of poetry between two lovers. But somewhere in the last few years, when Dee would refer to portions of the book, I came to see it as my Lord’s love song to me.

    3. What do you hope to gain from this study?
    One of the things I love most about Dee’s studies is that they cause me to stop, to pause—to take in what I am reading and let it quicken my soul. School starts next week, there are the usual trials that seem to linger in my life, and I am still in a sea of unpacked boxes (though it’s a little embarrassing it’s not worse—proves my obsession with getting the house settled!) So the idea of slowing down and lingering in His love for me, is probably not one I would have taken time for on my own right now. I am SO thankful for the accountability of this group. I am thankful that I know the Spirit leads Dee, and my skeptical mind rests in her love for truth and sound teaching.
    So I am thankful that the timing of this study—it’s as if I hear Him whisper ““Arise, my love, my beautiful one, and come away…” Song of Songs 2:10. He longs for me to find rest in His arms of love, and that He desires me so, fills me. So I hope to gain rest. That my soul would be still like the sea He calms. Resting, trusting,in Him.

    1. Love this: ” I am SO thankful for the accountability of this group.” thank goodness for that.

      Also: “it’s as if I hear Him whisper ““Arise, my love, my beautiful one, and come away…” Song of Songs 2:10. He longs for me to find rest in His arms of love, and that He desires me so, fills me. So I hope to gain rest.”

      Good thoughts 🙂 warm thoughts.

  26. 1. What stood out to you and why?
    That question,
    Do u believe I love u?
    Many times I would have said no, or yes but I need to be punished.
    B/c
    of my past and my concept of love.
    Can I accept God’s love
    If I don’t then I am lost
    I cannot let shame, doubt, fear etc. stop me from experiencing and knowing God’s love
    That is why I am overwhelmed or so happy b/c
    God loves me
    The God of angel armies
    He is a friend of mine.
    We sing that at our church and I am love that song.

    I believe that the bible is God’s love story to us.
    He is trying to show us who He is.

    2. What, if any, has been your perspective of The Song of Songs up to now?
    That it was for marriage
    I was very uncomfortable with it.
    I had such shame and Satan had quite a hold on me and on my life.
    So many lies.
    U r no good, no one loves u, who could love u etc.

    I am trying to understand love and that I am being loved.
    I believe that I do accept God’s love for me and I am learning to love myself and not hate myself.
    To let go of the shame.

    I cannot wait to see Jesus.

    3. What do you hope to gain from this study?

    To understand the book more
    To understand and pray with u ladies more.
    To understand the depth and breadth of the love of God for me and my family.

    1. Mellany – Oh my. Your comment, “Do you believe I love you? Many times I would have said no or yes but I need to be punished”. That has been my deep belief for probably most of my life. I’m praying that this study will touch all of us in a new and profound way.

      1. Hello Jill,

        No worries,

        Thank u for your kind comments.

        This revelation from God has allowed me to accept or rather I am learning to accept myself and to realize that I am not being punished by God and neither do I need to punish myself or others.

        I used to punish myself and others by overeating, anger, shame, not forgiving myself or others, judging, cruel words, etc.
        I used to overeat to comfort myself but now I am learning to turn to God.
        A slow process I admit but I am doing it.
        I used to “not run” to God b/c of shame/hurt/pain/sin but now I run to God.
        I used to try to win God’s approval now I realize that I do not need to strive.
        God loves me just the way I am.
        I used to hide myself from others and from God but now I am reaching out.

        The precious Holy Spirit has helped me and comforted me so much
        I cannot say thank u enough and my tears are not tears of sadness as much as I am weeping for joy, or for the pain/sorrow I caused myself and others or for the realization that I am loved by the God of the universe.
        Sometimes when I read scripture I am crying and I just kiss the words b/c they are so freeing. They give me life and I am amazed at God’s love for me and others.
        I want to treasure all that God is doing and write it all down so I can remember what God is doing in my life and give Him the glory.
        I want to get to know Jesus more and turn to Christ first.

        These are all good things.

        A shout out to God for victory:)

        1. Mellany, beautiful, thanks for sharing! Your heartfelt message made me smile, as you said , you kissed the scriptures…I can so relate. Beautiful sister!
          God Bless and hugs to you!

        2. Hello,

          I am reading chapter 6 of the book of Matthew every morning
          God is telling me not to worry.
          Jesus said not to worry
          But
          Anyhow…My eyes lit on Chapter 8 -the story of the centurion-
          Jesus marvelled (verse 10)…I tell u truly, I have not found so much faith as this with anyone, even in Israel.

          I marvel at centurions and how they are pictured in the life of Christ
          One was at His death and it was recorded that he knew that Jesus was not like any other man b/c of how Jesus died.
          I think there is a famous picture of it or maybe I just saw a picture of it a bible.
          The women were there, the thieves on the cross were there at Jesus’s death and the centurion. It was recorded so. All the disciples were gone. I know that John was there at Jesus’s death b/c Jesus said to his mother (behold your son) and to John (behold your mothers)
          Even in Jesus’s death He was taking care of others.
          Anyhow…. I digress, my point is the centurion, the soldier was there. Was the centurion representing the men who whipped and tortured him, who hung him on the cross, I do not know, all I know is he is included in the scriptures so it must be important.

          The one centurion mentioned in Chapter 8

          The one that Peter went to talk to. God told Peter to share about Christ b/c the centurion wanted to know. Peter struggled b/c the centurion was a gentile but he was obedient.

          You may wonder why I am sharing this
          But
          U r married to one
          I believe that soldiers that are “believers” are modern day centurions
          We all serve in the army of God but for a couple or years or more I have been drawn to the men and women who serve in the army.
          I pray for the families. Canadian or American or otherwise it does not matter to me.
          It all started with the picture in a local newspaper. The family was seeing their father off to Afghanistan. The pain and sorrow was etched on their faces. He did not want to go, the family did not want him to go but He had to go.
          Honor, duty, obeying God above all else is what I took out of that picture.
          I remembering praying and I still pray.
          Not everyday but when God asks me to I do.

          u r the first person I know of that is married to a soldier.
          So blessings. Blessings to u and your husband and your unit that u belong to.
          Now I have another face to pray for
          I like that.

          I do kiss the scriptures, many tears as well
          Some of my pages are tear stained but God is so good
          I will probably always weep when I think of my Lord and what He did for me and how much He loves me.
          I will never let Him go
          Ever
          I have determined in my heart this time to never let go.
          My walk with the Lord has not been the straight and narrow path.
          I have “wondered” off and wandered away, many times only to find the my Lord walking with me.
          It amazes me
          His love for me!

          anyhow…
          many blessings to u and yr husband
          Mellany

        3. Mellany,

          Well you are not alone, I have not always had that straight and narrow walk with God, many times I wondered back off the path. Especially going through my divorce back in the day and I was so young and dumb…lol. But one thing I have learned, I may have wandered, but Jesus was right there following me. When I cried out,He never left me… in my most poorest of choices at times, I would cry out to God saying please dont let me go, I know Im not right in this…IM so thankful for His love and Mercy. Learning more and more everyday, especially in this amazing group of such loving women! Isnt God awesome like that! Many hugs to you Mellany, I can just envision you kissing the scriptures, it always makes me smile, inside and out. 🙂 YOu are so truthful and such a blessing Mellany! I love the heart God gave you!

        4. Thank you, Mellany. 🙂

    2. Mellany, so glad you are back with us. Your posts are always so poignant, thoughtful, and seem to come right from your heart.

      1. Thank u Susan

      2. I agree Susan, so glad your with us Mellany!

        1. Thank u for your kindness and the love in your words.

          I receive that into my heart and my heart is full this morning and I must go.

          Blessings
          Mellany

  27. 1. What stood out to you and why?

    I enjoyed watching the clip of the Idol Lies group. I took joy in that all of the participants in that group were “young.” Also seeing Dee’s instructions to those who are just beginning to blog made me almost giddy with excitement. I can still remember how I felt when I first began last February– about 50% eager anticipation and about 50% fear! I would so like to allay the fears of those beginning now — my fears were totally unfounded. When you feel your heart and your mind opening wide and you can sense progress in your spiritual growth, it will keep you coming back to this blog!

    2. What, if any, has been your perspective of The Song of Songs up to now?

    I didn’t have much experience with it prior to my college years. Just reading it on my own, I came to the conclusion that it was strictly about marriage. When I took a Bible course in college, and the direction was more toward Christ’s love for His people and the church, I was still a tad skeptical — wondered if something was being read into the Scriptures for which there was no basis. I have probably traveled along feeling fairly ambiguous about the Song of Songs. I too am glad Dee is easing us into this study, and I am looking forward to it.

    3. What do you hope to gain from this study?

    I hope to get beyond ambiguity and come to a confidence about the message of the Song of Songs. Also I am still a work in progress — a diamond in the rough. I know I have grown significantly toward belief that God loves me completely and unconditionally. However, on occasion I still find signs of rough edges in myself, and hopefully this study will help to “polish me up.”

  28. 1. What stood out to you and why?

    I found the language and the imagery to be lush and full. The two seem to not only adore each other but to also be truly blessed by the gift of each other. To think of the Lord being blessed by having me is something He has been impressing upon me and the thought of it makes my heart swell with…well, I can’t quite put it into words.

    2. What, if any, has been your perspective of The Song of Songs up to now?

    I had read it and parts have been referenced in other studies I have done, but it was never a “go to” book when I needed encouragement or hope. I hope that changes as we study.

    3. What do you want to get out of the study?

    I have had a lot of loss in the past 15 years but the Lord has been faithful and loving. I want to fall more and more in love with Him everyday. Reading Idol Lies has helped me to be more committed to Him and I want to be more and more faithful to Him.

  29. just wondering as i read these comments-if i struggle with self-worth or acceptance of myself and situation or my kids are not quite good enough, is that not accepting Gods love? i have grown up “knowing” that God loves me, but by struggling with living that does that mean i don’t believe that?

    1. bjh,

      We all struggle with what you have asked but as you become more and more aware of the depth of God’s love, you are able to go quicker and quicker to go to God for reassurance and to rise above your circumstances. And that is what struggling with self-worth and situations are…just your circumstances.

      I have not had an easy life but I have had a blessed life. Seems like an oxymoron but God’s love and your reassurance that He loves you no matter how much you screw up, no matter what the world has done to you, makes it easier for you to see the blessings and know He has you in the palm of His hand. He longs for you to know how much He loves you and that He has conquered the world and so can you!

      Before I learned how much He love ME (plain, little old Karen who most people passed by or worse, threw away), it would take me days and sometimes weeks or months to get back on track in moving ahead of my life and what God wanted for me. Now, for the most part, it can happened much quicker and even sometimes in the twinkling of an eye…all because I KNOW down deep He loves me. I use to think God loved me because that was His job, His character. Now I know He loves me and would have come just for me and that my doubting really wounds His heart.

      I don’t think it is a matter of doubting but knowing enough about Him and His character that you immediately throw off the doubt and rest in His everlasting arms like a newborn babe rests, at peace and reassured the entire world was put here for your pleasure.

    2. bjh, Tim Keller gives a great example that has helped me to picture this struggle. He uses the metaphor of a Coke machine – you put in your money, push the button, but nothing comes out. So you pound on the machine to get the coins to drop down. He says we can know in our heads that God loves us, but we have to really preach the gospel to ourselves every day, work it in, to get those “pennies to drop” down into our hearts.

      1. what an interesting way to think about that. i also have to think about hearing God’s word to counteract what others say. im always struggling to get above water and not drown in what others say, (especially my family). if we could only realize how words hurt instead of help. praise God that i am seeing glimps of his goodness and grace. chip ingram has a book titled “God as he longs for you to see him” and the 7 attributes of God. i need to reread that. he talks about his goodness, sovereignty, holiness, wisdom, justice, love, and faithfulness. looking at God in a whole new light. very exciting.

        1. Oh bjh, I remember listening to some of those messages by Chip Ingram on the radio when he went through that series! You’re right, it would be good to revisit that by reading the book you have or even listening to the past programs on his website. Thanks for mentioning it!

        2. I loved ‘God as he longs for you to see Him’ too! Reading it was a turning point in my walk.
          I still need to keep turning that way!

      2. I like that susan.

        It makes me smile b/c it is so true.

        sometimes God’s love for me -startles me-

        Mellany

  30. 4. Every other book of the Bible is about one relationship, that of God and His people. Can you think of a book that is not about that? Do you think The Song of Songs would be an exception? Why or why not?

    I have long understood that the Bible is the story of God and His people. I have been aware of the continuity that flows from the Old Testament to the New Testament. But, gee, I guess I neglected to consider how Song of Songs fitted into that continuum. Now that you mention it, if one accepts the view that Song of Songs is about Christ’s love for His people and for the church, then it would not be an exception to the rule at all.

  31. 5. According to 1 Kings 4:32, how many songs did Solomon write? How many riddles?
    His songs numbered 1005. His Proverbs (riddles?) numbered 3,000. I have never thought of proverbs and riddles as being alike. A proverb is a traditional saying that expresses a truth (according to Webster) while a riddle is a puzzle that requires some ingenuity to solve it. Have I missed the point?

    6. What is this song called, according to the first verse? How is this like “the King of kings,” or “the Lord of lords?”

    It is called Solomon’s Song of Songs.
    “King of kings” (one in caps and the other not) says to me that Christ is the greatest of all kings; and “Lord of lords” indicates He is the greatest of all lords. So following that formula, “Song of songs” would indicate there is a song that is to be more valued than any other.

    7. What do you think is the best possible song? Why?

    I think the best possible song would be one that carries the message that God loves us more than we can possibly fathom, and that He has gone to the ultimate, farthest extreme to demonstrate His love.

      1. It works for me. Thanks, Dee!

  32. This is appropriate to our study today.
    “A Prayer about Being Desired and Enjoyed by Jesus” by Scotty Smith.

    http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/scottysmith/2013/08/12/a-prayer-about-being-desired-and-enjoyed-by-jesus/

    1. Diane, thanks for giving the link for this prayer…it is beautiful. I think I’m going to print it and keep it; I could pray it every day. So need this!

    2. Wow…

      1. I echo that Wow as well.

        I am going to print this off

        Thanks for sharing Dianne.
        U always seem to know what to say/share at the right time
        Your posts bless me.

        I saved the website to my favourites.

        Mellany

    3. Wonderful prayer, thanks for sharing.

  33. 1. What stood out to you and why?
    The opening statement, that Tim Keller believes our main problem is that we doubt God’s love for us, grabbed me right away. As the Lord seems to do, he brought this study to my attention just as I have been hearing/reading several things along the same lines. Not a coincidence! One speaker even said the same thing you have been emphasizing here in the opening, Dee, that knowing the Father’s love gives us confidence!
    2. What, if any, has been your perspective of the Song of Songs up to now?
    I think that generally I have been taught to view this book from the standpoint of the second camp with the emphasis primarily on marriage. I have heard some of the correlations with certain sexual practices like you mentioned, Dee. Usually the thought of this book makes me uncomfortable, like I need to squirm in my seat. The thought of God loving me this way seems, well, dare I say it, wrong. Anyone else know what I’m talking about?
    3. What do you hope to gain from this study?
    I hope that I can begin to sense, know and believe how deeply and unconditionally God loves me. For me love is so performance-based and conditional (stemming from earthly father wounds, totally being passed from generation to generation). I don’t want to leave this kind of legacy for my children. What if I really got it? What kind of impact could that make not only in my life from this point forward, but the lives of many in line after me? In her book The Power of a Praying Parent, Stormie Omartian talks about praying for your child to be able to perceive and receive your love and the love of God. It is so important because it lays a foundation for everything else. You know that Satan gets how big this is too. Otherwise there wouldn’t be so many people who struggle to deeply, truly know His unconditional love! For too long, Satan’s had me right where he wants me. Doubting God. Living in unbelief and ineffectiveness. How it must hurt God! I’m so hungry to believe and be transformed!

    1. Hi Ang…welcome! Glad you are here with us, and I love your last paragraph, so much there. Performance-based love is all around us; in our culture and unfortunately in our own families. And yes, Satan gets how huge this is…”otherwise there wouldn’t be so many people who struggle to deeply, truly know His unconditional love!” I, too, can say your last sentence, “I’m so hungry to believe and be transformed!”

    2. Ang, So love your honest heart-and your questions are so good. Everything you said resonates with me. I can’t repost all of it and I have run out of time-all I can say is what you pointed out about satan is so true. I think he has stumped us up with a pornographic view of sex which makes it hard to see the marital bed as God made it-which makes it hard to see the sexual and marital metaphors in scripture the way He wants us to see them. Like you said-how transformational it would be individually and collectively as His church to bathe in these metaphors of His love and passion for us.

    3. Hi Ang. Welcome to this blog. I too understand that feeling of wanting to squirm. This is going to be a tough study for me and I suspect for many of us. I think I’m going to have a lot of “squirmy” moments. I’m not comfortable with this depth of intimacy but I know that if I’m going to get further along the road with Christ, I’m going to have to push through. I also appreciate your desire to end the generational behaviors in your family. Me too! So glad you are here.

    4. Hi Ang…I echo the prior ladies’ comments…I can certainly relate to “The thought of God loving me this way seems, well, dare I say it, wrong. Anyone else know what I’m talking about?” and your desire to “sense, know and believe how deeply and unconditionally God loves me”…welcome, so glad you’re here!

    5. Amen!

      I am hungry to be loved and transformed by the love of Christ

      It is my prayer for my children as well.

  34. 1. What stood out to you and why?
    Tim Keller believes our main problem is that we doubt God’s love for us.

    I think if we doubt God’s love, it’s because we don’t truly KNOW His love. There is depth to the love of Christ and we can know this love, it’s immeasurable, unconditional, and everlasting.

    2. What, if any, has been your perspective of The Song of Songs up to now?
    I have read The Song of Songs but have never studied this book, so I don’t have one.

    3. What do you hope to gain from this study?
    This year the Lord has been taking me deeper into areas that I thought I knew or understood about unconditional love, redeeming love, love without condemnation. My hope is to go deeper and gain more insight into some aspect of the love of God, that the Holy Spirit will enlighten my understanding and teach me. That I might grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that I may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. Ephesians 3:17-19

      1. Thanks! 🙂

    1. Welcome Janet!

    2. Greetings, Janet…welcome!

  35. 4. Every other book of the Bible is about one relationship, that of God and His people. Can you think of a book that is not about that? Do you think The Song of Songs would be an exception? Why or why not?

    Well before Dee posted her words this week, I would said that Song of Songs is about marriage and not seen a relationship with God as the centre. I have been contemplating since I started reading this week’s blog about this book truly being about a true love and true intimacy with the Lord and that has really changed how I am viewing the Song of Songs. I have the bible on my Ipod and felt compelled to listen to it on my way to work this morning. Every time I was thinking that sounds like a marriage thing, I tried turning that thought into this is how deep the Lord loves me and it really made my ride in really cool. Even into this evening, when I think about this being about His love for me, I can’t help but smile. The change in idea that this is about His love for me is already making a difference. I can’t wait to see what the Lord has in store during the next weeks of this study. Thank you Dee.

    1. Mary, I’m glad to see you are smiling when thinking on His love for you…how are you doing as far as having more peace about your son and the situation with the possible contact with his birth mother?

      1. Susan, I am not sure how I am really doing with the peace. I did spend time talking with the post adoption registry (government). They offered to help “mediate” if necessary but the director of the department really encouraged me to think about it. She is as aware as I am that if they meet before my son is ready that it will be a disaster and they did speak with her about it being important for her to be patient and wait for him, but I really honestly don’t know whether this will be good for either of them or be a bad situation. I did agree to write her a letter (through the government department) and give her an update so that she knew how he was doing which they did pass along. That seemed to appease her, well at least for the time being. I am trying to leave the entire matter for the Lord to handle and intervene if required. The dilemma I have is that I know that sometimes God intervenes (like opening the prison doors for Peter) but other time He says leave (like sending Joseph and Mary to Egypt). I am trying to discern which direction I am to move (if at all) and just don’t know…however I think that not doing anything more than writing the letter for now seems like the right thing to do. I just have to trust that the Lord will do the rest and make it abundantly clear to me if I am supposed to do anything else.

        Thanks for asking and I really do appreciate the prayers for me to do what the Lord wants me to do and not what I want to do, which is to hire a lawyer and put up a big road block until such time as my son actually wants to reach out to her.

        1. Mary-Canada, I can’t really imagine how hard this is for you, but I am praying. Lord, help Mary to rest in You and have assurance deep within her that You love her son and know exactly what is going on and are protecting them both. Nothing is out of Your control and Your touch of intense love for them.

        2. Thanks for the update and sharing your concerns…I’ll be praying, dear sister.

          “I think that not doing anything more than writing the letter for now seems like the right thing to do. I just have to trust that the Lord will do the rest and make it abundantly clear to me if I am supposed to do anything else.”
          …sounds like obedience to the Lord’s leading in this difficult circumstance.

  36. 5. According to 1 Kings 4:32, how many songs did Solomon write? How many riddles?

    He spoke three thousand proverbs and his songs numbered a thousand and five. Then I wondered why you asked this question Dee as it didn’t seem to fit, but I also have learned that you have a reason for every question you ask. I had to go back to the beginning of the section that this part was a bit of a riddle. The Chapter in 1 Kings appears mostly to deal with statistics relating to Solomon, but the last part (vs 29 to 34) refer to the wisdom that God gave to Solomon. Since God gave Solomon wisdom and very great insight, and a breadth of understanding as measureless as the sand on the seashore (vs 29) which would mean that the Song of Songs is also a direct result of the wisdom of Solomon who had an understanding beyond every other person walking the face of the earth.

    I wonder if the reason you asked this question was to see the wisdom side of the question rather than the statistical side, although my wondering will probably change a few times as we go through the study.

    1. Mary-Canada–this made me smile “but I also have learned that you have a reason for every question you ask”–we’re so blessed by Dee! Glad you’re here!

      1. elizabeth, I agree that we’re so blessed by Dee. I know for me I have learned and been shaped by Dee’s studies and the posts of this group of ladies, even in the short time I have been part of the group. I think I said in the past that I thought the Lord led me here and I am confident that remains, my thoughts and understandings about things “pre-Dee” are different now in some areas, I feel that I am growing and the truth of the word has more meaning. I really…really feel blessed to be here.

  37. 7. What do you think is the best possible song? Why?

    The one written to me from someone who really cares about me; a gift.

  38. “As you do not know the way the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything.”

    Ecclesiastes 11:5

    9. What is being communicated by the above “riddle” from Solomon?

    Ok here’s where I start to struggle (!). I guess it means I can’t possibly understand the way the spirit comes to the woman or how He made things? I should just have faith?

    1. I think you’re on the right track, Laura! There are things we can’t possibly understand, mysteries too deep. I think of how Jesus described the Spirit in John 3 to Nicodemus, that the Spirit is like the wind blowing where it will and we can’t define how He works.

  39. 4. Every other book of the Bible is about one relationship, that of God and His people. Can you think of a book that is not about that? Do you think the Song of Songs would be an exception? Why or why not?

    At first I thought that maybe Proverbs was not primarily about relationship with God, being mostly wise sayings, but then I thought how Wisdom is portrayed as a person who calls to us, and how “she” (wisdom) was at God’s side during creation…so no, I can’t think of a book that is not about God and His people. Song of Songs is His story, too.

    5. According to 1 Kings 4:32, how many songs did Solomon write? How many riddles?

    Solomon composed 3,000 proverbs and 1,005 songs.

    6. What is this song called, according to the first verse? How is this like “the King of kings”, or “the Lord of lords?”

    “The Song- best of all songs – Solomon’s song!” (The Message)
    “Solomon’s finest song” (Holman)

    There is only ONE King above all earthly kings, only ONE Lord of All…so this is the finest, the best, the one true song above all songs because it is about God.
    I’m curious now…why is it called a “song”…was it meant to be sung to music like the psalms? I enjoy classical music; the music can touch something deep inside of you so you feel like you’re swelling inside – it can make you feel joyful or bring you to tears by its beauty. Imagine God, the essence of who He is, being put to music, a song…indescribable.

    1. love this Susan, love your tender heart–“the music can touch something deep inside of you so you feel like you’re swelling inside – it can make you feel joyful or bring you to tears by its beauty. Imagine God, the essence of who He is, being put to music, a song…indescribable.”

  40. 4. Every other book of the Bible is about one relationship, that of God and His people. Can you think of a book that is not about that? Do you think The Song of Songs would be an exception? Why or why not?

    Im not sure there isn’t a book a book in the bible pertaining to God and His people,after all,the bible was written for us by God’s people in love. I especially think the Song of Songs is a love letter to us from God. I had often heard this, but never really grasped this concept, since I also was taught it pertained to marriage and when choosing to date, do not awaken love before its time;Song of Songs 2:7.

    5. According to 1 Kings 4:32, how many songs did Solomon write? How many riddles? Solomon wrote 3000 proverbs and his songs were 1005.

    6. What is this song called, according to the first verse? How is this like “the King of kings,” or “the Lord of lords?” Song of Songs, I will admit, this confused me at first and had to read others answers for insight. I can agree with the King of kings, and Lord of lords,…there is only one King over all kings(earthly) and one Lord over all lords(earthly). I find it interesting Song of Songs is both capitalized and to me states this is God’s true love song to us, the Song of all songs. That is really an aha moment for me…makes me smile!

    7. What do you think is the best possible song? Why?

    I dont really have an answer for this question, not sure if you want us to name a song, but in my mind there are several songs that are great to represent God’s love. One that just came to mind at this moment was Steven Curtis Chapman’s song “I Will Be Here”. To me when I have always listened to this song in the past, I envision Jesus singing this to me, this song got me through a really rough time in my life and it makes me smile whenever I hear it to this day. If you havent listened to it or know the words, I encourage you to at least read the words..it’s a love song. 🙂

    1. Staci, I too loved your aha moment! 🙂 I think you got it on #7-The best possible song is His love song for us! I hadn’t thought of applying “I Will Be Here” to God singing it to us-so cool.

      1. Rebecca and Diane, the irony of the song I Will Be Here, it was my wedding song from my first marriage. I had a hard time hearing it come on the radio when my first husband left me pregnant and with a 2 year old. I would get so upset when the song would come on the radio, and I would tell God a song I once loved..was tainted now…God spoke to my heart and showed me I loved that song way before I even met my first husband and in those times, even as a single woman, way before I even thought about marriage or kids, God was singing that to my heart…now everytime I hear this beautiful song, I only hear God singing to me. 🙂

        1. Staci, I just love how you have jumped into this bible study blog and opened your heart to us. I just read this post explaining how God has used this song to sing to your heart, after your first husband left you pregnant and with a 2 year old. Love this: “God was singing that to my heart…now every time I hear this beautiful song, I only hear God singing to me. :)”

          Your words brought tears to my eyes. As beautiful as the song is, it is hard for me to listen to because my daughter is going through an adversarial divorce, fighting for custody of three young boys. It has been a hard year for us and the battle is still ongoing. It is so hard when someone who you thought was going to be there for you abandons you. They are both Christians, making the situation even more heart-breaking. Still, God has been there for both my daughter and I in a deeper richer way. Truly only God is the only One who will “never leave us or forsake us.”

        2. Diane, Im so sorry to hear about your daughter, I know all to well the pain of divorce and abanonment. My ex was a Christian as well,but fell away from God…thus the divorce. But in those times, when I felt all alone, I wasnt. I really had to lean on God more than ever during that difficult time. I even lived off of $300+ a month, living in base housing was free, but the rest of the money went for car insurance, groceries and gas…yup. I dont know how I did it, but GOD did it. My family only lived an hour away, but they turned on me so to speak as well…so really when all you have is God…He really does show up. Maybe not how we think or think we need. Many times God just showed up in my quiet nights of my crying. I remember that Christmas my dad bought my tree, for my 2 year old mainly. It was the most beautiful tree, perfect shape and size. All I had were lights on it and no money for decorations. So I invited my 8 year old Daisy class from church to string popcorn and cranberries to decorate it. Those girls came from some really disturbing and poverty/drug stricken homes. To my amazement they were more thrilled in enjoying that moment decorating a tree and making cookies than anything else. Some had never made cookies before, for lack of a mother or mother figure. Why do I say all this, I think in that moment God began to show me the joy those girls had even in the smallest things, and they had much pain if not more. Their parents abandoned them and my husband abandoned me, but God was there with us all, in our pain giving us joyful moments in small things. So I say all this to let you know, there is joy, even through the dark times. And you are so right, God never leaves or forsakes us. I pray your daughter finds peace, comfort, strength, and Godly wisdom in the arms of Jesus. But most of all God’s unconditional love, however He may show or send it her way. Many hugs to you Diane. I will be praying.

        3. Wow Staci,

          I was a single parent as well for 17 years as well.
          Not as faithful as u but so many stories of God’s love and pulling through
          God never abandons us nor forsakes us
          It is not in His character to do so.
          He says that in Hebrews13 verse 5

          For He (God)Himself has said, I will not in any way fail you nor give u up nor leave u without support (I will) not, (I will) not, (I will) not in any degree leave u helpless nor forsake nor let (you) down (relax My hold on you)! (Assuredly not!)
          That is underlined in pink in my bible (amplified)
          Given to me by my sisters in the Lord when I was staying at the transition house in Terrace BC.
          It is dated 24/08/89
          My first husband had beaten me for the last time.
          It takes awhile to leave a violent marriage.
          I got saved when I was in my first marriage.

          Like stated earlier my walk with Jesus has not been the straight and narrow path but God has always been faithful.
          Their gift puzzled me but I love what they wrote in my bible.
          They put
          Our precious sister,
          & mighty intercessor of God
          Mellany
          by
          your loving, eternal
          sisters
          July 6th 1988
          They also put a picture of Jesus with a staff holding a baby lamb and sheep all around him.
          I like that as well.
          Cheesy I admit but it blesses my heart.

          Fast forward to 2011
          My bible was showing wear and tear
          My 2nd husband noticed it and he had it recovered in leather.
          He must have noticed it is my most precious possession.
          He has not always loved me in the way that I would like nor have I loved him in the way he would like but he has understood my love for God and will now pray with me or read the bible himself.

          What can I say but that God is good!
          I have been in my 2nd marriage for 6 years now. We celebrated on the 3rd of August. My birthday was on the 5th of August. That way he remembers.
          God has covenanted with us.
          I do not know what we would have done w/o God’s caring and loving ways but God has been faithful and I am comforted by that.
          God is teaching me that it is not about me, that He loves me and He partners with me,
          He is teaching me that marriage is not all about me.
          Chuck accepts the fact that I love God first and foremost and we are learning to love each other.

          Boy am I ever a chatterbox this morning.
          I have to go now

          Blessings
          Mellany

        4. Mellany,

          Love and hugs, you are such a blessing.

        5. Staci, I agree with Diane…the beauty of your heart is shining through loud and clear…your presence is a blessing. My heart aches to read about your past troubles; I am so glad that the Lord helped you negotiate the twists and turns…”I don’t know how I did it, but GOD did it”. Your appreciation of “even the smallest things” and “hard thanksgivings” (as Ann Voskamp says) is inspiring. I was especially touched with the invitation extended to your Daisy class to decorate your Christmas tree…what a lovely idea! It was likely received with honor and great excitement…my heart warms to think of the joy they had in helping you.

    2. Steven Curtis Chapman’s song “I Will Be Here” is beautiful. Thanks for mentioning it and applying it to Jesus. I had never really heard it before.

  41. PLEASE PRAY…I am asking for prayer for my daughter, Melanie. She’s having such a hard time right now. School starts next week…seventh grade, she’s moving to a new school, leaving behind the smaller Christian school she attended since kindergarten and all her friends and moving to another Christian school but larger where she doesn’t know anyone.
    Last night was orientation and she feels lost! The students are placed into groups of ten (girls with girls, boys with boys) and this is their small group for the entire school year, with a faculty advisor. Purpose is to help them get to know each other. Several of the girls in her group transferred in from the same school, so they already know each other. At one point when she tried to join in the conversation, one girl said to her, “I wasn’t talking to you”. I hate it that girls can be so “catty”. I’m trying to remember my junior high years…I have two boys already through high school and one through college and boys just don’t behave like that – didn’t have to ever deal with “drama” in friendships with my sons.
    Tomorrow she leaves for camp. The school takes all the new 7th graders and all the 7th grade faculty to camp, leaving tomorrow morning and returning Friday. She’ll be with this group of 10 girls in her cabin, too. My “mama-bear side” wants to protect her, to keep her home, to go back to her old school…I feel so helpless. She cried on the way home last night.

    1. Susan–this is HUGE. I promise to keep praying for sweet Melanie! Oh, that age–so so hard how girls can be (though I’m seeing it much younger with my daughter’s ‘friends’!) I can relate some to Melanie–I left my tiny private school after K-7, to start 8th in a big public school. A bit different, but my heart really feels for her, and I will pray! I will especially pray for the time at camp–oh that sounds so hard even as an adult!
      Lord, put Your arms tight around dear Melanie. Be her strength and her shield. I pray she would feel lifted up by You, that she would feel confident in who You have made her, and in Your great, great love for her. I pray Lord for new friendships. Soften these girls’ hearts, move in them Lord. May there be kindness and sensitivity–in the teachers too. Lord, we ask that You would protect Melanie and richly bless this time and her school year. Thank You Lord for what You have planned. Amen

    2. Lord, I bring Melanie and Susan before you now. I ask that you will protect them and strengthen them. Lord, bring a good friend to Melanie this week at camp so that she will not feel alone. Protect her from drama. Calm Susan’s anxious heart. Surround this family with Your love and comfort. Thank you that we can call on You and trust in Your goodness. In Jesus’ name. Amen.

    3. Susan, Oh I know right where you are! You so remind me of how God feels toward us. Lord I agree with Elizabeth and Jill. We are grateful you are a God who knows-who has walked the path Melanie has walked-she is so young, so tender right now. We ask for your spirit to move mightily to intervene in the hearts of the girls and that you would convict and create an atmosphere of love-so that others will see You in the girls in this school. In your name, Amen.

    4. Susan, this is huge, as Elizabeth. Such an important transition. Amen to the prayers here.

    5. Praying too Susan, I encouraged my granddaughter recently when she was feeling left out rather than trying to fir in, to look for someone who looked lonely who she might reach out to in friendship.
      It is so hard to see your child in pain, God must have plans to grow her somehow through this, He loves her more than you do!

    6. Oh Susan! Girls are SO mean. I am struck that you live in an area where there are TWO Christian middle schools! How lucky! From a teaching perspective, small groups like that are good and can be important in many ways, including academically.

      I know the “mama bear” feeling very well. I am SURE it will be ok and by the end of the week she will have bonded with a few of the “cats!” We will pray, God is near, and your job is to not worry 🙂 my only concern is that there is an adult who is experienced with this (I’m sure it happens every year, hence the reason for the camp), recognizes the problem and smooths it out. I will pray for the adults there as well.

      In a way, I kind of went through a little bit of that with sarah’s new room mates and who gets what bedroom. Sarah finally said she would be the bigger person (!) and take the room that was the “leftover” one (the girls went before us and picked first). Sarah is the oldest and acted mature, but she and I have had plenty of discussions about not being taken advantage of and sticking up for yourself. we have also talked about room mates not always getting along.

      Be strong mama bear, and know that God is watching and loves us 🙂

    7. Susan–have you heard anything from Melanie?

      1. The 7th graders left for camp this morning…no cell phones allowed – I’ll see her Friday night when they return:)
        But yesterday afternoon we went back up to school and met one of the teachers-her math teacher – and the three of us walked through her schedule and Mel found her locker. She was so lost still after orientation Monday night and didn’t know where her locker was and didn’t know her way around. My friend is a guidance counselor at the school and she arranged to have Mel’s math teacher meet us yesterday to do the walk-thru with us. So we did it twice, and she feels at least better about the first day of school next Monday. All the teachers go to camp, too, and the math teacher will be her connections group leader, too. She’s a young woman and super nice. She also introduced Mel to her gym teacher while we were there.

        1. you really are such a good mom, Susan. Oh I have such a good feeling about all of this for Melanie–she’s really been on my heart, so I will continue to pray! You have to give a good update Friday night!!

        2. So glad to hear about this teacher Susan 🙂 she sounds like a nice person to take the time to do all that. Thank goodness for your friend too!

    8. Just saw this now, Susan…I will be praying for Melanie. I’m so glad that you were able to get Melanie back into the school to feel a bit more comfortable in her new surroundings; Melanie will always remember the special care you took for her in this transition.

    9. Susan
      I echo the prayer’s here and will be praying for Melanie and the new friends she will be making at the new school.

    10. Praying for joy for your daughter and peace in her new journey with her school.Praying God will send the perfect friend(s) her way too. My daughter will be in the same boat next week, starting a new school. She will still have some of her friends, but its still hard. My heart goes out to you and your daughter.

    11. This is the first time I noticed u have a dtr. named Melanie.

      This is my name (of course u know this)
      Spelt differently
      My grandmother named me.

      I will pray for her
      That God’s love will rest upon her and she will know His presence in a powerful way
      Also that she will know she is accepted and loved.
      That she will have friends
      That she will be celebrated.

      blessings
      Mellany

      1. Yes, Mellany…I’ve told my daughter about you – that you share the same name but with different spellings! Thanks for your lovely prayer for her!

  42. 4. Every other book of the Bible is about one relationship, that of God and His people. Can you think of a book that is not about that? Do you think The Song of Songs would be an exception? Why or why not?

    I don’t think Song of Songs is an exception. This is the question that made me re-think how I approached the primary meaning of song of songs.

    I have heard Pastors I respect and still respect say it is obvious since there is so much sexual imagery that it has to be about husbands and wives primarily-and I SO get that-and yes it can be applied that way, and I haven’t lost respect for anyone and hope they extend Grace toward me for I am a pauper and need His quickening-none of us are 100% right all the time.

    I wonder if the reason I had a hard time seeing it as a metaphor of His passion for me in the past is because the evil one has perverted sex with pornography-I was brought up exposed to it through my dad’s magazines we would sneak into. I have even heard a well meaning sister say if we believe this then how should Christian men feel? It is akin to saying God is gay. While that took me aback-I understood where she was coming from, and she is a godly woman who I still respect. 🙂 I have to respond with how do men see that they are called ‘the Bride of Christ’? How do we see Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Isaiah and Hosea where God uses sexual and marital metaphors reflecting His relationship with His people-How much he loves and is in passionate pursuit of them? God’s passion for Israel is the same as His passion for us-He is unchanging.

    Here is an example in Hosea:(God speaking about his relationship with Israel)

    “Rebuke your mother, rebuke her,
    for she is not my wife,
    and I am not her husband.
    Let her remove the adulterous look from her face
    and the unfaithfulness from between her breasts.
    3 Otherwise I will strip her naked
    and make her as bare as on the day she was born;

    13 I will punish her for the days
    she burned incense to the Baals;
    she decked herself with rings and jewelry,
    and went after her lovers,
    but me she forgot,”
    declares the Lord.

    (God’s rescue of her)

    14 “Therefore I am now going to allure her;
    I will lead her into the wilderness
    and speak tenderly to her.
    15 There I will give her back her vineyards,
    and will make the Valley of Achor[b] a door of hope.
    There she will respond[c] as in the days of her youth,
    as in the day she came up out of Egypt.
    16 “In that day,” declares the Lord,
    “you will call me ‘my husband’;
    you will no longer call me ‘my master.

    1. Rebecca, I never thought about how men respond to be called the Bride of Christ or how they would respond to this book.

  43. 5. According to 1 Kings 4:32, how many songs did Solomon write? How many riddles?

    “He also spoke 3,000 proverbs, and his songs were 1,005.” 1 Kings 4:32 (ESV)

    First, I was puzzled why Dee uses the word “riddles” here. None of the common translations uses that word. In this verse in 1 Kings, the Hebrew for “proverbs” is not “riddles”, as stated in Dee’s question, but “proverb, parable, aphorism, byword, similitude, poem or sentences of ethical wisdom, ethical maxims”. Then I looked ahead a couple of questions where I saw Proverbs 1:5-6. When I looked up the Hebrew for the word “riddles” in those verses, it is indeed, “riddle, difficult question, parable, enigmatic saying or question, perplexing saying or question”. I got this information from Blue Letter Bible, if any are curious. So Solomon does speak in riddles. Given that and the huge time and cultural differences, it is not surprising that we have a hard time understanding what Solomon is trying to say to us. I wonder how the Israelite/Jews view Song of Solomon traditionally and at the present.

  44. Zephaniah 3:17 Says He will rejoice over you with singing.

    The LORD your God is with you,
    the Mighty Warrior who saves.
    He will take great delight in you;
    in his love he will no longer rebuke you,
    but will rejoice over you with singing.”

  45. 4. Every other book of the Bible is about one relationship, that of God and His people. Can you think of a book that is not about that? Do you think The Song of Songs would be an exception? Why or why not?

    Looking through the index of books of the Bible, I can’t see one that doesn’t deal in some way with God’s relationship with His people, first the nation of Israel and then in the New Testament with the Church. In the book of Esther, God’s name does not actually appear. My study Bible states: “While the book of Esther does not mention God by name or title, his presence fills the pages. Esther and Mordecai believed in God’s care, and because they acted at the right time, God used them to save His people”. So I’m expecting that The Song of Songs may be the same although I admit I don’t know if God is mentioned specifically in this book either.

    5. According to 1 Kings 4:32, how many songs did Solomon write? How many riddles?

    “He spoke three thousand proverbs and his songs numbered a thousand and five”.

    6. What is this song called, according to the first verse? How is this like “the King of kings,” or “the Lord of lords?”

    My Bible calls it, “Solomon’s Song of Songs”. I take this to mean that this song is Solomon’s best: his most profound, the one that is the most important.

  46. 4. Every other book of the Bible is about one relationship, that of God and His people. Can you think of a book that is not about that? Do you think The Song of Songs would be an exception? Why or why not?

    I am not sure but the book of Esther talks about Esther saving the nation of Israel and God is not really mentioned at all. Israel is delivered by a woman’s obedience to her uncle.

    I have never ever thought about The Song of Songs at all
    I did receive a plaque from a group of ladies that I fellowshipped with up North.
    It is from the Song of Songs
    Chpt 2 vs 12
    Flowers appear on the earth; the season of singing is come
    I received it in 1993

    It hangs in my B/R and now it is beside the computer as I type.
    Maybe Jesus will reveal it to me during this study.

    I am not even sure if I answered the question properly.

    Every other book of the Bible has Christ at the center, because God knows we are blessed when He, rather than we, are at the center. Here is what our own Elizabeth wrote:

    When I read the Bible in context, with God, instead of Self, as the center, the reference point–the Bible is…indescribable! I am noticing now that even one verse strikes me as it never has before. There is a richness and depth that draws me in for more. And, not sure if this makes sense out-loud–but there is a RELIEF, a peace that comes from taking myself out of the center. When I stop looking for answers for me–and turn to His Word to know more of Him–there is a satisfying calm that comes over me.

    5. According to 1 Kings 4:32, how many songs did Solomon write? How many riddles?
    Solomon wrote 3000 proverbs and 1005 songs.

    6. What is this song called, according to the first verse? How is this like “the King of kings,” or “the Lord of lords?”
    In my bible it is called the Song of Songs.
    If the meaning is similar to the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords means it is the ultimate song.
    The best song ever.
    When I was reading the verses in 1King vs 4 32 I noticed vs 34 where all the kings of the world sent their men to Solomon to learn from him.
    Sort of like when all men see Jesus they will all bow and confess that Jesus is Lord.

    1. Mellany,
      When I read this from your post:
      “I am not sure but the book of Esther talks about Esther saving the nation of Israel and God is not really mentioned at all. Israel is delivered by a woman’s obedience to her uncle”

      I remembered this week of study here on the blog before you joined us, I thought it might be a blessing to you:

      http://deebrestin.wpengine.com/2012/08/the-esther-we-never-knew-bible-study-that-transforms/

      1. Hello Chris,

        I of course wept when I read the post.
        I have printed it off and I will keep it.
        Dee does such a good job about putting the description behind things.
        I have to go and read it again

        Thank u

  47. I am excited about this study thank you dee

  48. 4. Every other book of the Bible is about one relationship, that of God and His people. Can you think of a book that is not about that? Do you think The Song of Songs would be an exception? Why or why not?

    I do believe every book, including Song of Songs, is about God and us—because in some way—there is no story, no relationship, than can exist without God. Whether acknowledged or not, God is in control of all and nothing exists without Him–so every relationship is still touched by His presence.

  49. 5. According to 1 Kings 4:32, how many songs did Solomon write? How many riddles?

    3000 proverbs, and 1005 songs.

    6. What is this song called, according to the first verse? How is this like “the King of kings,” or “the Lord of lords?”

    “song of songs”—the final one that renders all others of lesser importance—it outshine them all

    7. What do you think is the best possible song? Why?

    The best possible, best imaginable song—is the love song of redemption. He has saved me by grace, pursues me, loves me, and will bring me home to enjoy Him face to face forever. I am my Beloved’s, and He is mine–can’t get any better than that 